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Post by exuberancium on May 15, 2013 17:51:48 GMT
I was expecting it to be a robot, but now the way that it shows Paz looking at the envelope, maybe it actually was Paz that sent it, and Kat just assumed it was Bobby
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Post by Lightice on May 15, 2013 18:12:29 GMT
Seriously speaking, though, while I still have no idea who wrote the letter, I continue to find any of the robots an improbable candidate. I really do feel like Kat is going to ask Bobby to analyse the letter for clues, or something. She might even wishfully think that it's from Aly and ask the resident bird expert about it.
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Post by GK Sierra on May 15, 2013 18:27:53 GMT
1. Paz mistakes the love-letter in Kat's hand as something Kat will give to Paz, but then sees that Kat is returning it to Bobby. 2. Paz, bracing self to repulse Kat's romantic advance, instead gets ego bruise as Kat continues to avoid Paz. 3. Paz (over a period of time) engages in semi-flirty behavior in an attempt to get Kat's attention back without really knowing why she's doing it. 4. Kat misunderstands and thinks that the previous misunderstanding has blown over and acts friendly with Paz. 5. At some point Kat compliments Paz' appearance in a similar way as in the previous misunderstanding. 6. Paz receives ego boost and tosses Kat's "second lesbian advance" back in Kat's face. Paz loses any and all interest in being Kat's friend. 7. Kat is left speechless. 8. Antimony bitches out Paz, Paz implies that Antimony and Kat are a couple (or on the way to being that). Fight escalates. 9. Nobody's speaking to anyone and Kat feels like Boxbot. 10. The robots construct a giant catapult to fire Paz into the Annan chasm in retaliation. Everyone eventually gets over it. Added on further reflection: 5.1 Internet faps furiously. 6.5 Autocorrect filter is changed to modify /c o/ into "butt hurt zone" or possibly "blue ball sector." I think those last two are going to come to pass whatever happens.  |
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Post by philman on May 15, 2013 18:38:25 GMT
Seriously speaking, though, while I still have no idea who wrote the letter, I continue to find any of the robots an improbable candidate. I really do feel like Kat is going to ask Bobby to analyse the letter for clues, or something. She might even wishfully think that it's from Aly and ask the resident bird expert about it. This, I really don't get the whole robot shipping thing. It's all based on the fact that the letter is printed on computer paper and that jokey 'how to spurn advances from robots' thing a while ago. It just doesn't make sense to me. |
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Post by Ophel on May 15, 2013 19:41:19 GMT
You know what would be really hilarious at this point? If Kat closed the door and asked Bobby: "Do you know if Paz has been writing long letters, lately?"  And I was just about to say: "You mean Kat is going to ask Bobby if Paz wrote the letter?!  " |
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Post by Nnelg on May 15, 2013 20:52:32 GMT
Seriously speaking, though, while I still have no idea who wrote the letter, I continue to find any of the robots an improbable candidate. I really do feel like Kat is going to ask Bobby to analyse the letter for clues, or something. I agree that Kat doesn't think Bobby sent the letter -in fact, I'll go so far as to say that's the reason why she's approaching him. As far as we know he's never made a "pilgrimage" to her workshop, so he might not be part of Robot's "cult". (Calling her "Angel" once does not a fanatic make.) I still think it's Robot, and no new information has arisen to the contrary. It has already been established that he has feelings for Kat. The only "obstacle" would be his relationship with Shadow, but that looks to me like it's mainly platonic from Robot's side. She might even wishfully think that it's from Aly and ask the resident bird expert about it. Huh, I never thought I'd ever see a plausible Aly speculation. |
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Post by GK Sierra on May 15, 2013 21:08:00 GMT
So Shadow likes Robot, who has a reverence/religious worship of Kat, who herself is trying to get over a confusing misunderstanding with Paz.
This has to be the strangest, most convoluted childhood crush triangle (square?) ever conceived of.
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Post by ctso74 on May 15, 2013 22:38:04 GMT
In other news, the government is still in debt and gold is up three points. Gold down, GKS. Way down. I expect the next model of BoxBot to be made out of it. Wow. The Speculative Love Dodecahedron continues. I hope we get some leads Friday, and not just a bittersweat tease. |
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Post by arf on May 15, 2013 23:38:52 GMT
Ah! Two of my favourite Gunnerkrigg geek girls, together! (and I don't mean that in a shippy way, either, because... geeks*!)
Those mice crawling over Robbie strike me as very Gaimanish. Either the old man and his circus from 'Coraline', or the cyber-lice from 'Nightmare in Silver' (aired after this panel was drawn)
* certainly Paz is a geek! Geeks can play with mice** rather than circuit boards, can't they?
** with or without lasers
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2013 0:51:55 GMT
So Shadow likes Robot, who has a reverence/religious worship of Kat, who herself is trying to get over a confusing misunderstanding with Paz. This has to be the strangest, most convoluted childhood crush triangle (square?) ever conceived of. You forget Kat's fling with a bird. NOPE NOTHING TO SEE HERE MOVE ALONG POSTERS Kat's love life is somehow nearly as convoluted as mine was. Huh. Deja vu. In any case, I still totally ship Kat/Jack and nothing that happens in this comic will ever make me think Tom gives half of a thought to any sort of shipping. I find it highly, highly improbable that any romance will come from this chapter, regardless of whether there were motors or muscles holding the letter's pen. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 16, 2013 1:49:18 GMT
In other news, the government is still in debt and gold is up three points. Gold down, GKS. Way down. I expect the next model of BoxBot to be made out of it. Wow. Rumor has it the fed dumped 500 tons of naked shorts on comex on the 12th or 13th last month. If that's the case, then our social betters have decided to prop up the dollar by destroying the gold futures markets. |
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Post by nizu on May 16, 2013 2:41:46 GMT
I honestly don't get anyone shipping Paz or Kat. I mean if you think they're a cute couple, great but it seems like you're only setting yourself up for dissapointment if you're expecting something to actually happen. I mean, it was made pretty clear in www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=923 and www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=924Paz spends all her time hitting on a guy. So we know she's interested in guys Paz's literal words after the misunderstanding are "I'm not, like that..." Kat literally didn't even understand what Paz meant at first, she hadn't even thought about hitting on Paz, she was shocked when Paz thought she was hitting on her, thus the embarassment. She then assures her that she's not into girls either "Oh! Me either!" If you really want to stretch you can make an argument for Kat being bi/homosexual and just covering it up in embarassment when Paz turns her down. But Paz at least is confirmed straight. Hell, if anything, I thought the whole sequence was there initially as another nail in the coffin for Annie/Kat shippers. It has Kat straight out say she's not into girls... So yeah. If you think it's a cute couple, great. But if you honestly expected a character who makes it very clear she's straight to suddenly be writing Kat a love letter then I think you're probably trolling yourself at this point. |
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Post by lunarluminesce on May 16, 2013 2:50:23 GMT
The only thing this page proved to me, was that I'm really not sure who the letter is from, and what it's exact significance is. And while it's somewhat frustrating to wait, it's worth it, and the fact that Tom always surprises us makes things that much better.
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Post by taban on May 16, 2013 2:57:37 GMT
Hmm. HMMM. I see no reason why Kat would think Bobby in particular wrote the letter -- she gets called "angel" by all the robots, and many of them know her better than he does.* I'm gonna assume Kat still suspects that Paz wrote it (or, perhaps, that the sentiments are Paz's but Bobby ghostwrote it -- hence the continuous form paper and unusual eloquence). If that is indeed what Kat thinks, I'd guess she's hoping to leverage her influence with the robots to get Bobby to spill the beans and avoid an awkardpocalypse with Paz. Or hell, maybe Bobby's honor-bound to tell her what's up because she has the Mark of the Creator -- aside from "protection," we don't know what that title confers yet. And even if all that were true, it doesn't address whether Kat is actually right. I'm gonna stick with my original prediction that Annie wrote the letter -- not as a romantic gesture, but in hopes of getting Kat to reveal who she likes. The forest seems to make Annie kind of puckish.
* Unless Kat took Paz up on this offer, and they were regularly hanging out for some period of time. I'm unclear about how close Kat and Paz became between then (chapter 29) and the "I wasn't hitting on you!" exchange in Faraway Morning (chapter 34). |
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Post by download on May 16, 2013 3:56:57 GMT
I honestly don't get anyone shipping Paz or Kat. I mean if you think they're a cute couple, great but it seems like you're only setting yourself up for dissapointment if you're expecting something to actually happen. I mean, it was made pretty clear in www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=923 and www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=924Paz spends all her time hitting on a guy. So we know she's interested in guys Paz's literal words after the misunderstanding are "I'm not, like that..." Kat literally didn't even understand what Paz meant at first, she hadn't even thought about hitting on Paz, she was shocked when Paz thought she was hitting on her, thus the embarassment. She then assures her that she's not into girls either "Oh! Me either!" If you really want to stretch you can make an argument for Kat being bi/homosexual and just covering it up in embarassment when Paz turns her down. But Paz at least is confirmed straight. Hell, if anything, I thought the whole sequence was there initially as another nail in the coffin for Annie/Kat shippers. It has Kat straight out say she's not into girls... So yeah. If you think it's a cute couple, great. But if you honestly expected a character who makes it very clear she's straight to suddenly be writing Kat a love letter then I think you're probably trolling yourself at this point. I honestly don't get this, why does everyone think that sexuality can or nearly all of the time is black and white? It's far from it. I honestly don't get how you can think Paz is "confirmed straight" either. They're teenagers, generally at the age where they start figuring out where they are to some degree. Many people don't even consider gay or bi or whatever until someone challenges them, they just assumed they were like everyone else. |
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Post by GK Sierra on May 16, 2013 5:40:33 GMT
Gold down, GKS. Way down. I expect the next model of BoxBot to be made out of it. Wow. Rumor has it the fed dumped 500 tons of naked shorts on comex on the 12th or 13th last month. If that's the case, then our social betters have decided to prop up the dollar by destroying the gold futures markets. The price had to peak somewhere. Gold was being sold on wild claims, including that the dollar and the global economy as a whole was going to collapse before brunch the next day. It's only natural that once the general crisis starts to abate it would go down again. |
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Post by nizu on May 16, 2013 5:52:21 GMT
I honestly don't get this, why does everyone think that sexuality can or nearly all of the time is black and white? It's far from it. I honestly don't get how you can think Paz is "confirmed straight" either. They're teenagers, generally at the age where they start figuring out where they are to some degree. Many people don't even consider gay or bi or whatever until someone challenges them, they just assumed they were like everyone else. Well lets look at the evidence we have in the actual canon 1) Paz saying she wasn't interested in girls 2) Kat saying she wasn't intereted in girls 3) Paz turning down what she percieved to be Kat's advances 4) Kat not even realising that what she was doing could be construed as an advance. So we have plenty of proof on the side of "Paz is straight, Kat is most likely straight and neither of them have expressed romantic or sexual interest in the other" Lets look at evidence on the other side *Crickets* See where I'm coming from? It's fine to think it's a cute pairing and to think "Oh, maybe they're confused about their sexuality and someone who said "I'm not interested in girls" will turn around 2 days later and write a love letter to a girl" But actually believing that is a completely different matter. |
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Post by download on May 16, 2013 6:28:24 GMT
You know what people do when they're not comfortable with admitting something? They lie.
People lie, and they do it for many reasons.
The only way we will know is by the characters actions.
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Post by nizu on May 16, 2013 7:37:23 GMT
You know what people do when they're not comfortable with admitting something? They lie. People lie, and they do it for many reasons. The only way we will know is by the characters actions. Right. And the characters actions are as follows: 1) Deny any interest in girls 2) Become uncomfortable that their friendship was interpreted as advances. If you think that Paz/Kat is a cute pairing and need a reason to justify it for Head-Canon or whatever then fine, but theres literally zero evidence of it in the comic itself, infact there's heap of evidence of the exact opposite. eg If Kat was lying about not being into girls, why was she so shocked about Paz misunderstanding her? She clearly didn't even think that it was possible for her actions to come across as advances. If Paz isn't straight why would she be so embarassed about the whole concept, why wouldn't she just tell Kat she wasn't interested? Oh I get it, "But she didn't want to hurt Kat's feelings! She is secretly a lesbian, and now she's decided she does want Kat!" Right? Yeah Again, no evidence of it. The characters specifically state the exact opposite. There's zero indication of anything along those lines, and again, we've just seen 5 pages of Paz being super forward hitting on a guy... You can justify anything by saying "The characters were just lying about it, we just haven't seen any proof that they were lying yet. But we will. Probably" Hell; It justifies my Winsbury/Bud slash fantasy! Winsbury is just lying about being straight, he's secretly doing it to get close to Bud so he can work up the courage to admit his feelings! It's got the same amount of in comic proof as Paz/Kat, hell, it's got more proof! Winsbury never denies being homosexual and attracted to Crustaceans! It's practically fact! TL;DR: Saying "They're just lying!" is a cop out and you know it. There's no indication they're lying and no indication otherwise of any feelings. |
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Post by Rymdljus on May 16, 2013 7:47:42 GMT
Someone on the comments page pointed this out, and it now seem glaringly obvious. Kat is wearing a huge ass jacket with enormous pockets. Yet she chooses to carry the letter. Earlier in the chapter she demonstrated she didn't like the letter being waved around yet now she's flaunting it. With Paz eyeing the letter and Kat carrying it makes me think she's testing Paz in some way Possibly! Or it could just be Tom's way of making it clear to the reader in a simple way that she has the letter with her. 2) Kat saying she wasn't intereted in girls While I agree that it isn't very likely that Paz suddenly wrote a love letter on printer paper to Kat after what happened in "Faraway Morning", what actually happened on Kat's part was not as clear as her just saying that she wasn't interested in girls. At least I think so. She did say things to Paz that made Paz think Kat was hitting on her. Kat didn't mean it that way at the time, but it might have been an eye-opener for her, that she actually might be into girls (and/or Paz) after all. She started thinking about WHY she told Paz how pretty she was, and since then she has been struggling with herself. Still, in the end she might come to the conclusion that she isn't interested in girls after all, but at this point, we don't know, and she probably doesn't either. |
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Post by download on May 16, 2013 7:59:00 GMT
You know what people do when they're not comfortable with admitting something? They lie. People lie, and they do it for many reasons. The only way we will know is by the characters actions. Right. And the characters actions are as follows: 1) Deny any interest in girls 2) Become uncomfortable that their friendship was interpreted as advances. If you think that Paz/Kat is a cute pairing and need a reason to justify it for Head-Canon or whatever then fine, but theres literally zero evidence of it in the comic itself, infact there's heap of evidence of the exact opposite. eg If Kat was lying about not being into girls, why was she so shocked about Paz misunderstanding her? She clearly didn't even think that it was possible for her actions to come across as advances. If Paz isn't straight why would she be so embarassed about the whole concept, why wouldn't she just tell Kat she wasn't interested? Oh I get it, "But she didn't want to hurt Kat's feelings! She is secretly a lesbian, and now she's decided she does want Kat!" Right? Yeah Again, no evidence of it. The characters specifically state the exact opposite. There's zero indication of anything along those lines, and again, we've just seen 5 pages of Paz being super forward hitting on a guy... You can justify anything by saying "The characters were just lying about it, we just haven't seen any proof that they were lying yet. But we will. Probably" Hell; It justifies my Winsbury/Bud slash fantasy! Winsbury is just lying about being straight, he's secretly doing it to get close to Bud so he can work up the courage to admit his feelings! It's got the same amount of in comic proof as Paz/Kat, hell, it's got more proof! Winsbury never denies being homosexual and attracted to Crustaceans! It's practically fact! TL;DR: Saying "They're just lying!" is a cop out and you know it. There's no indication they're lying and no indication otherwise of any feelings. I'm not saying they're lying, I'm saying people lie. What they say, especially to someone they just had a massive awkward encounter with, doesn't prove anything either way. Whatever the case though, Tom has being trying to suggest or build up to something with the whole Kat/Paz awkwardness. This has nothing to do with wanting some pairing and I think you're just as bad as the "it's so cute" shippers because you seems to be set on hating it because it's popular with fans. You're entire argument there is a giant strawman |
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Post by SpitefulFox on May 16, 2013 9:00:51 GMT
Regardless of who's attracted or not-attracted to who, I think it's sad that Kat hasn't been comfortable visiting Paz after what happened.  |
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Post by Toloc on May 16, 2013 9:38:12 GMT
With download on this one
Nothing's black or white
Everybody Lies. It's not lupus!
That being said:
I don't think it's Paz. For now all we have is her rejecting Kat's perceived advances and a few awkward looks after that.
As I said I don't think it's from a robot either. One doesn't send love letters to one's living religious figure of choice. At least I wouldn't.
And I think it possibly would be obvious if a letter was written by a robot given the Courtbots quirks. So Annie wouldn't ask if the author was in the cafeteria with them.
Of course I could/will be wrong about any number of these assumptions.
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Post by americonedream on May 16, 2013 10:13:19 GMT
Regardless of who's attracted or not-attracted to who, I think it's sad that Kat hasn't been comfortable visiting Paz after what happened. THIS! Not only visiting Paz but Cityface isn't getting a visitor anymore either! HASN'T HE BEEN ABANDONED ENOUGH?! Seriously, wire clippers are needed for this situation! |
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Post by dracazula on May 16, 2013 10:15:05 GMT
Regardless of who's attracted or not-attracted to who, I think it's sad that Kat hasn't been comfortable visiting Paz after what happened. THIS! Not only visiting Paz but Cityface isn't getting a visitor anymore either! HASN'T HE BEEN ABANDONED ENOUGH?! Seriously, wire clippers are needed for this situation! Does it make me a bad person that I'm very much enjoying all this teen awkwardness? It's not something I'd want to put two real friends through, but Tom writes teen girl troubles so well. |
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Post by americonedream on May 16, 2013 10:19:37 GMT
Oh, he really does! I just wanna like..go fairy on them and tell them to stop being crumbums and start being friends again. But with more insults. Insults win friends back.
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Post by download on May 16, 2013 11:17:56 GMT
With download on this one Nothing's black or white Everybody Lies. It's not lupus!Except that one time is was Lupus |
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Post by lordofpotatoes on May 16, 2013 13:05:30 GMT
I'm going to make two lists now, one with facts about the letter and one that states how Tom is telling the story about it, then hopefully it'll help us think. Let me know if I'm missing something.
Letter fact list:
1. It's computer written
2. Kat 'has a good idea who's it's from' and tells Annie not to get her hopes up
3. It's very eloquently written
4. It was addressed to Antimony's room but written to Kat
Storytelling:
1. Kat is embarassed about Annie reading/having the letter
2. The camera shows Paz looking at the envelope
3. Kat goes to see Bobby, holding the letter
So, yeah, what can we make out of this?
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Post by Rymdljus on May 16, 2013 13:44:16 GMT
Not really much to go on without jumping into wild speculation! This is what I'm getting: The only thing this tells us for sure is that whoever wrote the letter has access to a computer and that no one can guess who it's from based on the handwriting. 2. Kat 'has a good idea who's it's from' and tells Annie not to get her hopes up Something about the letter gives it away to Kat, or at least she thinks so. She either thinks that it's not going to work out between her and the letter sender, or she thinks it isn't written seriously. 3. It's very eloquently written Not sure if this really rules out robots. If nothing else, I'm sure a poetrybot or something could have written it like that. It probably rules out Jones though. 4. It was addressed to Antimony's room but written to Kat The person who sent the letter knew it would reach Kat if it was adressed to Annie. 1. Kat is embarassed about Annie reading/having the letter Kat is a young human who has recieved an anonymous love letter. 2. The camera shows Paz looking at the envelope Paz has noticed the letter and Tom wants us to know that she has. 3. Kat goes to see Bobby, holding the letter She will bring the letter up when talking to Bobby. I'm not helping, am I? ;D |
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Post by quoodle on May 16, 2013 16:40:12 GMT
Then, there's the option that a human and a robot were working together to write the letter. Whether either of them actually had those thoughts is the more important question.
I wonder if we considered that Shadow may have composed the letter and robby written/printed it? It could have been robby's sentiments but shadow's or Paz's eloquent writing.
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