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Post by nikita on Aug 29, 2011 10:07:37 GMT
So, two of the characters of the comic might not be gay.
I fail to see the what the big deal is.
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I like how the last panel doesn't show who made the move.
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Post by mikeymikemikey on Aug 29, 2011 11:12:42 GMT
Well, I sense massive amounts of emotion from fans. Unbridled happiness from those who approve, and despair/rage (despairage?) from those who don't--and amusement at either reaction from me.
Bwahahahahahaha.
EDIT: Seriously, as annoying as I usually find shipping arguments, sometimes the sheer overopinionated stupidity and overinvestment of emotion evident in some of them is just so mind-boggling it becomes hilarious farce.
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Aug 29, 2011 11:13:25 GMT
The big deal is that chibisoma believes only gay people have the right to exist, and that straight couples should be consigned to oblivion. He also somehow seems to live in some 1980s (or 1950s) era where having a gay romance would be somehow "taking a chance" -- he seems to not have noticed that there's hardly a comic out there WITHOUT a gay romance. He seems not to have notice "Yu+ME", or "ShortPacked", or "Faans" or "Penny & Aggie" or pretty much every comic out there *including* Gunnerkrigg court, (which does include the relationship of Gamma+Zimmy)
Seriously -- tell me *any* comic with teen characters without a gay romance somewhere in it. And there's nothing wrong with that; but now chibisoma is taking the opposite position that comics should marginalize straight relationships.
Screw the anti-straight bigots, same way that the anti-gay bigots that had been complaining about Zimmy+Gamma should go thoroughly screw themselves.
Seriously, chibisoma, screw yourself and your bigotry.
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Post by Morpheus on Aug 29, 2011 11:20:51 GMT
Meh. Generic straight romance is boring and stupid. This is just the giant ship-sinking chapter, isn't it? And here I thought GC was going to actually attempt to be different. Oh well. Looks like we're going down the stereotypical "oh look the kids will end up like the parents did" crap that ruins any story of this type. Nothing interesting or different here, it seems. Good to know I have one less comic to keep up with, I guess. ...Good to know you have one less forum to keep up with. Don't post here anymore, will you? |
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Post by kazuki on Aug 29, 2011 12:01:12 GMT
I totally sense future shipping O:~ possibly even a kiss somewhere along the lines. gasp. LAUGHING ON LINE~
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Post by todd on Aug 29, 2011 12:25:17 GMT
Someone (I forget whom) once brought up that if Tom *had* made Annie and Kat a same-sex couple, that element would overshadow the rest of the story in the eyes of the readers - most people would see it as a comic about lesbian schoolgirls that just happen to be attending a weird school rather than about schoolgirls in a weird school, exploring its dark secrets and working out what's going on.
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Post by mikeymikemikey on Aug 29, 2011 12:34:37 GMT
Meh, the problem's simpler than that, really. People get way to invested in the nonsense about who gets paired with whom and forget that, y'know, there's a lot more to the story than that. It doesn't matter what, specifically, the paring is--the stupider shipping arguments have happened for pairings featuring ANY orientation in many series--as long as that attitude is linked to it, it makes discussions descend into, well, all of that up there.
EDIT: If I come off as being too anti-shipper, sorry. I actually don't have a problem with it if the discussions don't turn stupid. Problem is, it usually only takes one bad shipping post to derail an entire thread, and it's ruined Net discussion for a too many favorite series of mine (such as in Harry Potter and Avatar: The Last Airbender to name two) for me not to feel a little bitter about it all.
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Post by paxjax123 on Aug 29, 2011 12:49:18 GMT
Meh. Generic straight romance is boring and stupid. This is just the giant ship-sinking chapter, isn't it? And here I thought GC was going to actually attempt to be different. Oh well. Looks like we're going down the stereotypical "oh look the kids will end up like the parents did" crap that ruins any story of this type. Nothing interesting or different here, it seems. Good to know I have one less comic to keep up with, I guess. It's not against the rules to call someone a dumb prick on this forum, right? Cause if it is I won't. |
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Post by mikeymikemikey on Aug 29, 2011 12:59:59 GMT
Okay, bah, to (try to) turn the subject to some more pleasant discussion, who else thinks Bud actually can see Annie seeing his etheric aura no matter how careful she's being? Chill guy that he is, maybe he just doesn't mind so long as they're not up to too much mischief. If Antimony and Jack do become a lovey-dovey couple does anyone really believe they'll go placidly into adulthood, marriage and birthing a new generation of fire spirit with boring predictability? I've said this elsewhere and for a number of years, but if Antimony is indeed following a track through the story mirroring Surma (but possibly going a bit further in some ways) doesn't it stand to reason that she will also experience a romantic triangle similar to the Eggers/Anthony one? If that is the case then the smart money isn't on the early favorite. But isn't that too predictable in a way too? How many generations really mirror their parents' choices that much that they retain exact aspects of their dynamics? Mind, I'm not even gonna go into what Annie's potential love life may be like--hell, I'm a teacher, I've seen teenage romance rise and fall within a week. But isn't it kind of wonky to think that "Mom's experiences were these given these parameters, so daughter's experience will be similar given similar parameters." To paraphrase Ysengrin: Annie didn't take Surma's life, Surma gave her her own to live as she will. Whatever happens will be because of Annie's choices and her response to the choices of the people around her, for better or for worse. Not because her life is Surma 2.0. |
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Post by hargharg on Aug 29, 2011 13:29:01 GMT
Everything is predictable in a way...
As they say, everything is already written, all you can do is tell it with new words.
And Tom is doing great.
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Post by smjjames on Aug 29, 2011 13:44:52 GMT
Edit3: What do you guys think sounds better, The Etherium or Etheric Space? I don't think anybody in comic has called the etheric plane by some name like etherium or something, not sure..... Actually, etheric plane seems to fit..... I believe it's simply refered to as The Ether. Yea, Etheric Space sounds like something starships could be travelling through at FTL speeds. Come on guys, forget that chibisoma jerk, he's been banned anyways. I like how the last panel doesn't show who made the move. Judging from the perspective, it looks like it was Annie who made the move, but both of them could have done it, with Annie moving a bit faster than Jack. |
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Post by mikeymikemikey on Aug 29, 2011 13:54:10 GMT
Everything is predictable in a way... As they say, everything is already written, all you can do is tell it with new words. And Tom is doing great. The universe is a word processor, and life is a document--sometimes someone makes typos. |
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Post by rainofsteel on Aug 29, 2011 14:13:37 GMT
What happened to the blinker stone? One second, Jack is receiving it from Annie, and the next, they have wandered off and the stone is no longer in the picture. I understand that they have more important stuff to worry about at the moment, like leaning on each other as an interpersonal contact substitute when being watched, but did Annie get the stone back? Somehow, I think Jack still has it. --------------------------------- Nah. I'm going with interruption. They're already under observation, how much more interrupted can they get? |
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Post by descoladavirus on Aug 29, 2011 14:19:20 GMT
Wow. Now that the Drama Llama has been taken care of, I'm really loving how much Annie has progressed from sorta antisocial to sneaking out at night and even getting close with Jack here. I can probably foresee how they'll be interrupted probably something to do with almost getting caught. It would be a good way to end a night time excursion like this one. Also I must say, the view from where they're at is magnificent.
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Post by mikeymikemikey on Aug 29, 2011 14:22:07 GMT
It would be a good way to end a night time excursion like this one. End? There's still one story left. |
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Post by drzhivago138 on Aug 29, 2011 14:22:18 GMT
I like how the last panel doesn't show who made the move. I would say that Jack did--if you check the perspective in panels 1 and 2, it seems that Annie hasn't moved in relation to the doorway, and Jack slid on over somewhere between panels 5 and 8. Annie doesn't seem to mind, however. |
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Post by Eversist on Aug 29, 2011 15:17:09 GMT
Nah. I'm going with interruption. They're already under observation, how much more interrupted can they get? Forgive me for assuming, but it looks like Jack has something in mind, regardless of being ethercally (?) chaperoned or not. Now, I'd like to think that the presense of a fellow classmate would deter him from pouncing on Annie. But Tom has traditionally taken the unexpected route, so I'm expecting to be wrong.  |
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Post by rebsays on Aug 29, 2011 15:19:16 GMT
This has probably been discussed ages ago, but it just occured to me - if Bud is so powerful etherically, I assume that Lindsey is as well, so wouldn't she have sensed them leaving the dorms?? Or has Tom explained this somewhere?
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Post by atteSmythe on Aug 29, 2011 15:20:49 GMT
The students only think they were pulling the wool over Lindsey's eyes...I don't think we've had any indication that that's actually the case.
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Post by blahzor on Aug 29, 2011 15:37:49 GMT
Everything is predictable in a way... As they say, everything is already written, all you can do is tell it with new words. And Tom is doing great. everything isn't predictable in a way..i didn't think botbox would be terrible oh also i don't expect Annie or Kat to be gay, but i do expect Kat to date a girl at least once sometime before the comic ends in year 2040 |
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Post by Afalstein on Aug 29, 2011 15:46:26 GMT
What's up with everybody still speculating on Paz and Kat? That argument was for the last page.
Anyway. Hopefully, this comic marks the beginning of the third story, because I REALLY want to see a story from Annie's time in the forest. Annie's character HAS changed, as Jack notes, and I'd like to see some background for that.
I'm pretty sure it will be, as the current alternatives seem to be Will and Janet doing a 'them' story (which isn't going to happen), or Bud telling about how he and Linda met. (which would be awesome, but weird). Annie seems like the most likely one with a story to tell right now.
Oh, smooth move on coming closer there. Looks like they both inched forward and sort of met in the middle.
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Post by nero on Aug 29, 2011 16:10:43 GMT
It does seem that this page will lead to a story from Annie. Maybe since Annie spent some time with a real family she became more open.
I think its too early to tell if Annie will follow in Surma's footsteps, or even if Jack will be one of her choices. Annie is still growing and she'll be too busy with trying to free Jeanne's soul.
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Post by vebyast on Aug 29, 2011 16:58:07 GMT
Either Annie didn't move, or Tom doesn't conserve detail and random chance made it look that way. Check out where her hands are placed compared to the vertical bars of the rail. Either way, though, they've both definitely changed. Jack has some smooth moves, and Annie is an etheric ninja and doesn't mind smooth moves.  [edit] I can imagine Bud not bothering to hide or doing multiple projections simultaneously. Etheric Ninja is still only a possibility; I doubt she's beaten a dedicated psychic so easily. |
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Post by n3m0 on Aug 29, 2011 16:58:29 GMT
The third story could still be from Bud as I could totally see a cutback to him as he stops projecting himself in order to tell a story to the others.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 29, 2011 17:26:54 GMT
But isn't that too predictable in a way too? How many generations really mirror their parents' choices that much that they retain exact aspects of their dynamics? Mind, I'm not even gonna go into what Annie's potential love life may be like--hell, I'm a teacher, I've seen teenage romance rise and fall within a week. But isn't it kind of wonky to think that "Mom's experiences were these given these parameters, so daughter's experience will be similar given similar parameters." To paraphrase Ysengrin: Annie didn't take Surma's life, Surma gave her her own to live as she will. Whatever happens will be because of Annie's choices and her response to the choices of the people around her, for better or for worse. Not because her life is Surma 2.0. My prediction is literary in nature though the parallels to Surma are a kicker. In short: The same author who wrote the Surma backstory to include complex relationships that are/were/will be featured between the main characters will also write about Antimony's romantic interests. I think there is just too much comic left for Antimony to pair off with Jack in a linear fashion. A running theme of GC is youthful misunderstandings and overreactions. This doesn't lead to peaceful domesticity in early life. It does lead to the addition of someone else, probably someone not in the comic now or currently featured as a background foil, and that the someone will be a competitor for Antimony's affections is where I am somewhat going out on a limb. I don't think that's a great leap because Antimony is the central character of the story and we have the Surma parallel. If I err it is probably in underestimating the number of players. A rival for Jack's affection wouldn't be mutually exclusive with someone else making a play for Antimony, particularly once her "ice queen" image fades when other people start to perceive how she's changed and that she is now datable. So yeah. Triangle. Or better. Okay, bah, to (try to) turn the subject to some more pleasant discussion, who else thinks Bud actually can see Annie seeing his etheric aura no matter how careful she's being? Chill guy that he is, maybe he just doesn't mind so long as they're not up to too much mischief. Considering the Merostomatazon dimorphism, the role of the fertilizer (male) probably includes a predisposition to subtlety. Therefore Bud is likely genetically inclined to sneakiness even if his motives are wholesome. That explains what he said about loving sneaking out, but I think he is being deceptive about what the wife doesn't know not hurting her. That could well be because Lindsey does know he/they "snuck" out and he is acting as chaperone. |
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Post by eliwyn on Aug 29, 2011 17:44:30 GMT
That's what I came to also. The fact that he's watching Annie and Jack may mean that he's keeping an eye on them so they don't fall off the roof or something. He might have come along with the group to have a nice evening out, and to make sure they're all being good and that they're safe.
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Post by Afalstein on Aug 29, 2011 17:48:35 GMT
My prediction is literary in nature though the parallels to Surma are a kicker. In short: The same author who wrote the Surma backstory to include complex relationships that are/were/will be featured between the main characters will also write about Antimony's romantic interests. I think there is just too much comic left for Antimony to pair off with Jack in a linear fashion. A running theme of GC is youthful misunderstandings and overreactions. This doesn't lead to peaceful domesticity in early life. It does lead to the addition of someone else, probably someone not in the comic now or currently featured as a background foil, and that the someone will be a competitor for Antimony's affections is where I am somewhat going out on a limb. I don't think that's a great leap because Antimony is the central character of the story and we have the Surma parallel. If I err it is probably in underestimating the number of players. A rival for Jack's affection wouldn't be mutually exclusive with someone else making a play for Antimony, particularly once her "ice queen" image fades when other people start to perceive how she's changed and that she is now datable. So yeah. Triangle. Or better. Oh, I hope not. I dislike love triangles, they just make everything so awkward. More interesting, possibly, but I still dislike them. This is a very good point though, that the whole Jack thing is happening a little TOO smoothly and quickly (well... okay, we met Jack AGES ago, but still). It's possible that Tom will add another wrinkle just to spice things up. Except for a couple things. One: we don't actually get a lot of romance-centered interaction in this comic. Jack hasn't even shown up for like three or four chapters. This chapter is pretty heavy on it, but generally it's (if anything) background detail. So the amount of "time" left in the strip, romance-wise, might actually be a lot less. Two: Tom doesn't really seem to do love triangles. Okay, Eglamore/Surma/Anthony, and Diego/Jeanne/weird green guy. But also Anja/Donald, Smitty/Parley, Kat/Ally, Zimmy/Gamma, Margo/John, and Will/Janet. Part of me doubts how strong the Surma parallels actually are. Apart from Anja as Surma's friend, nothing else seems to really fit. Jack COULD be a future court guardian, but there hasn't been any hint at it (and he's not in good standing with the court). And Reynardine has no parallel whatsoever. Indeed, most of Annie's non-human friends fit nowhere into the Surma story. In some ways Annie is very unlike Surma, and she certainly doesn't seem as loyal to the Court as Surma was. |
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Post by troll on Aug 29, 2011 17:48:36 GMT
"Baby, that just makes it hotter."
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Post by Per on Aug 29, 2011 17:56:15 GMT
Two: Tom doesn't really seem to do love triangles. Okay, Eglamore/Surma/Anthony Add Reynardine and it's not a triangle any more. Plus we don't know the timeline of Surma's interactions with Egg and Andy. |
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Post by hargharg on Aug 29, 2011 18:07:43 GMT
...The universe is a word processor, and life is a document--sometimes someone makes typos. Typo? Where? Who did that? (: D) ... from sorta antisocial to sneaking out at night ... Annie never had any problems with sneaking out at night. ; ) ...everything isn't predictable in a way..i didn't think botbox would be terrible oh also i don't expect Annie or Kat to be gay, but i do expect Kat to date a girl at least once sometime before the comic ends in year 2040 I didn't say that everything is predictable by the general You per se, but by somebody. Just because You haven't thought about it, it doesn't mean someone else didn't. ; ) ED: This has probably been discussed ages ago, but it just occured to me - if Bud is so powerful etherically, I assume that Lindsey is as well, so wouldn't she have sensed them leaving the dorms?? Or has Tom explained this somewhere? This skipped my eyes. It seems that the Court is encouraging its students to break the rules. So they become competent adults who are capable of fending off the various hazards the Court may encounter. |
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