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Post by jasmijn on Jan 14, 2011 8:33:17 GMT
I'm guessing it's probably 'cos Annie is like, a huge favourite of Coyote and got all that attention and stuff. A huge favourite who's going to get her hand cut off if she talks? wait this is Coyote this could be a trick. maybe it won't cut off her hand. but does she really want to test Coyote's word? Coyote doesn't lie, I think Jones said that a while back. (Cue someone who knows exactly when and where that was said.)
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Post by hal9000 on Jan 14, 2011 8:37:31 GMT
Annie and Jones were just going over the list of loose ends to tie up before summer. Coyote probably wanted to make sure Annie didn't say something like "Oh, and if you could bring Coyote's Tooth to me, I'd really appreciate it." That makes sense, except that Coyote only forbade Annie from telling anybody in the forest. I don't think he has a problem with the Court knowing about it, else he would have said something when he first gave the tooth away. Ysengrin is right there and would hear; and while Jones is affiliated with the Court, her true loyalties remain unknown.
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Post by guyy on Jan 14, 2011 8:42:09 GMT
Coyote doesn't lie, I think Jones said that a while back. (Cue someone who knows exactly when and where that was said.) Even though I know where that was said, I'd forgotten about it... ...so, how is she supposed to explain the Coyote-colored wrist thing, then? Also, the creepy. Lots of the creepy. So much creepy I'm making even less sense than usual.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jan 14, 2011 8:43:16 GMT
Annie and Jones were just going over the list of loose ends to tie up before summer. Coyote probably wanted to make sure Annie didn't say something like "Oh, and if you could bring Coyote's Tooth to me, I'd really appreciate it." That makes sense, except that Coyote only forbade Annie from telling anybody in the forest. I don't think he has a problem with the Court knowing about it, else he would have said something when he first gave the tooth away. It's unlikely Annie could take the tooth with her into the forest for an entire summer holiday without someone noticing it. Wait a second... Coyote wanted Rey to receive more of his power... Rey is in Annie's room... Coyote is taking steps to insure that his tooth remains in Annie's room... OH SNAP
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Post by noblemanofreason on Jan 14, 2011 8:47:41 GMT
Why tell her now? Why not later? Annie and Jones were just going over the list of loose ends to tie up before summer. Coyote probably wanted to make sure Annie didn't say something like "Oh, and if you could bring Coyote's Tooth to me, I'd really appreciate it." Hm. Idea sounded better in my head. Actually, that is a good point. Coyote doesn't want Ysengrin to know about the tooth, for what ever reason, and he notes that Annie might mention it while sorting loose ends with Jones. This is why he stopped time when Jones was still talking, to prevent Annie interjecting afterwards. Unfortunately, I have a funny feeling he's not going to remove it, even after her stay in the forest. Also, I have noticed something from the prototype for the next treatise page. It shows vines from the forest wrapped around Annie's right arm. Originally I thought this meant Annie was getting closer to the forest than with the court, but now it could represent the bind. Now I am starting to suspect the forest is now going to try to force Annie into joining them, or at least have a hold over her. This also brings up the question of why Annie's hair is wrapped around Kat's arm (last link to the court?) or why Annie is holding what looks like a white leg from the Zimmy chapters (possibly something Coyote wants?)
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Post by cu on Jan 14, 2011 8:55:35 GMT
That was a cutting remark.
But good for Coy, about time someone instilled some discipline in the spoiled brat with the big mouth.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 14, 2011 9:01:54 GMT
If the Forest people would select Ysengrin as their mediator one can infer some distrust of the Court. If it became known that Coyote had given someone from the Court a weapon like the tooth then they would wonder why Coyote hasn't given one to Ysengrin. That's probably why Ysengrin was mentioned specifically. I think that would cause Coyote some trouble if that happened. Two possibilities why Coyote didn't require a similar pledge before Antimony took the tooth back to the Court: Either Coyote is sure that Antimony wouldn't trust anyone there with the secret of the tooth, or he doesn't care about the Court knowing what he's capable of, or possibly both are true. And there's always the chance Antimony might use the tooth to do some serious damage to the Court (either by accident or deliberately) and that is something that Coyote promised that he wouldn't himself do. That might also explain why Coyote was desperate to give his powers to Ysengrin and Renard, and therefore why the Court had Surma trap Renard as a risk. If he's going to threaten dismemberment, why not go all the way and put the slave collar around her neck? I suppose that in the event Antimony lets the secret slip Coyote would rather have a mutilated-but-living Antimony than a dead one. Also, it seems like delicious irony that she'd run from one side of the conflict only to find that the other side is just as bad. I get the feeling she's gonna have a hard time trusting anybody now. Agreed, though some personalities find an environment where there is naked violence for clear reasons more appealing (more honest?) than one where things are nebulous.
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Post by Max on Jan 14, 2011 9:17:22 GMT
Ysengrin is right there and would hear; and while Jones is affiliated with the Court, her true loyalties remain unknown. I'm talking about why he didn't tell her this when he gave her the tooth back in Old Dog's Tricks. They had left Ysengrin in the preceding page.
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Post by Goatmon on Jan 14, 2011 9:19:42 GMT
Getting a little creepy there, Coyote.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jan 14, 2011 9:31:15 GMT
Ysengrin is right there and would hear; and while Jones is affiliated with the Court, her true loyalties remain unknown. I'm talking about why he didn't tell her this when he gave her the tooth back in Old Dog's Tricks. They had left Ysengrin in the preceding page. Coyote's pretty scatter-brained sometimes. It's possible that he didn't think through the possible negative side effects back when he first gave the tooth. But good for Coy, about time someone instilled some discipline in the spoiled brat with the big mouth. Come to think of it, didn't Coyote promise that he would help Annie to control her feelings? "Now hold out your left hand. This bind will snip off your hand if you get angry."
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Post by fjodor on Jan 14, 2011 9:33:38 GMT
My guess would be that Coyote does not mind if the Court knows Annie has accepted a gift. He will probably welcome the anxiety and distrust it will cause in the Court. But maybe the Forest people know the real power hidden in the tooth. Or it may be that it is very rare for Coyote to hand out gifts and the Forest may become restless if they find that Coyote has been dealing out tremendous powers to a person atthe Court.
One thing is for sure: Coyote just revealed that he has a hidden agenda. And he is showing who's boss.
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Post by fjodor on Jan 14, 2011 9:36:22 GMT
Coyote's pretty scatter-brained sometimes. It's possible that he didn't think through the possible negative side effects back when he first gave the tooth. Ithink he knew exactly what he was doing but did not foresee the chance that Annie would come to the forest at one time, and he now has to close the loopholes in his plan caused by the new event. And he is very good at closing I must say.
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Jan 14, 2011 10:02:57 GMT
Oh man, I completely forgot about the tooth. What is it supposed to do again? Or did Coyote even claim it did anything other than be a memento? Was that this chapter or is this a callback... I clearly have not been paying close enough attention!
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Post by stephen on Jan 14, 2011 10:10:13 GMT
Well, every one of Coyote's gifts has a rather nasty side-effect, it's just about time Annie ran into hers. She has a rather powerful and nifty sword (that's what the tooth is, zbeeblebrox), but she can't tell anyone from the forest about it and keep her right hand.
On the plus side, that is a pretty neat-looking bracelet.
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Post by fjodor on Jan 14, 2011 10:10:57 GMT
Coyote said the blade could cut the very face of the earth, or something like that.
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Post by legion on Jan 14, 2011 10:12:26 GMT
Uh oh. Is that part of the self-restraint training???
Also, with the addition of today's page, this chapter is now the second longest chapter of Gunnerkrigg Court, just after Chapter 18: S1 (unless you count Spring Heeled part 1 and 2 as a single chapter). And it isn't over yet (though it would need 6 more pages to be longer than S1)!
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Post by blackmantha on Jan 14, 2011 10:13:02 GMT
"It could cut the very earth" Granted, so can a shovel, so he might have been using double-speak. But for some reason, I think Coyote likes his Teeth powerful.
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Post by cu on Jan 14, 2011 10:23:13 GMT
OK, so Coyote has gifted an incredibly sharp and powerful blade to an unstable fire-sprite spawn. What could possibly go wrong here?
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 14, 2011 10:23:14 GMT
Ah. It's going to be learning the hard way, i see. Annie is not going to have a hard time keeping her mouth shut about that. What with losing her right hand being on the line and all.. Considerations of consequences never stopped her before, but then, the consequences were never of palpable-knife-at-the-throat type, though possible wrath of Jones was rather close. And she still lashed out at Jones in such a way. Hence, the threat should be more immediate and evident to work. If it became known that Coyote had given someone from the Court a weapon like the tooth then they would wonder why Coyote hasn't given one to Ysengrin. That's probably why Ysengrin was mentioned specifically. I think that would cause Coyote some trouble if that happened. I doubt anything could cause Coyote trouble worth mentioning, but dismissing the whole squabble so demonstratively could undermine Ol' Grin's authority. And it may or may not be wise to tell Annie this. It was once part of a being of Coyote's power what do you think it can do. It was also a part of Coyote and may be a magical "security breach". But... strange that he doesn't care about the court knowing of the tooth. [...] though some might wish to use the power of the tooth for purposes coyote would not like. ...since the tooth is in the Court and Omertà is enforced in the Forest, i suspect the main reason is the object lesson. Coyote would make up something or at least tell Annie it's a "very hush-hush" subject the moment he gave her this toy - if he really cared about it. Coyote probably wanted to make sure Annie didn't say something like "Oh, and if you could bring Coyote's Tooth to me, I'd really appreciate it." That, too. Jones may be the only one really dangerous. But again, Coyote saw her in the Court and ignored this possibility altogether. ...so, how is she supposed to explain the Coyote-colored wrist thing, then? Good grief. It's the least of Annie's problems - she can invent a plausible lie or, even better, tell the truth in several different ways... none of which would involve as much as a slightest hint at the possibility that she have something to hide. Come to think of it, didn't Coyote promise that he would help Annie to control her feelings? "Now hold out your left hand. This bind will snip off your hand if you get angry." "... too angry to think", but seems so. Uh oh. Is that part of the self-restraint training??? As i see it, Coyote chose a random ostensibly important subject. With such a start, i expect him to let Annie walk around a bit and almost dismiss this, then quietly set up a progression of temptations from insignificant to strong. And see how she's going to weasel her way out of this - both a lesson and entertainment.
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Post by theweatherman on Jan 14, 2011 10:26:33 GMT
I think I speak for all of us when I say...
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Post by roboticelf on Jan 14, 2011 10:54:49 GMT
That was a cutting remark. Well, she's been playing with fire all chapter.
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Post by pasko on Jan 14, 2011 11:04:24 GMT
Anyone else thinks Eglamore will save her via the beacon he gave her?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 14, 2011 11:21:49 GMT
I doubt anything could cause Coyote trouble worth mentioning, but dismissing the whole squabble so demonstratively could undermine Ol' Grin's authority. And it may or may not be wise to tell Annie this. It depends on what you call trouble, I guess. Coyote is very powerful, he can even stop time, so even if ALL the other people in the Wood decided he was a threat they might not be able to kick him out. If he is the Coyote of legend I doubt he'd fight everyone, though. Still, it would undermine his ability to get them to do what he wants and admire him, and I agree it might cost Ysengrin his position (or an outside chance of it costing Coyote Ysengrin's affection). On the other hand, if the people of the Forest lose confidence in Coyote's ability to defend them from the Court the next logical thing for them to do would be to seek help from another of the great Old People or something along those lines. It would be very embarrassing if they went to Eagle and said, "Lord Coyote is just too unstable, he's giving super-weapons to human children, would you please protect us?"
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Post by penguinfactory on Jan 14, 2011 12:18:28 GMT
Uh.
Man Annie is really getting jerked around today.
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Post by Alexandragon on Jan 14, 2011 12:20:57 GMT
WTF?! Oh, Coyote is really creepy and powerful.
P.S.1: Interesting, that is "wrong" with Coyote's tooth? P.S.: Cookies time)
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Post by hal9000 on Jan 14, 2011 12:43:31 GMT
Uh. Man Annie is really getting jerked around today. Like a pawn on a chessboard, no? It seems an awful lot like Coyote was planning on something like this happening.
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Post by jayne on Jan 14, 2011 12:55:09 GMT
I think this shows the mistake Jones mentioned was that Annie considered the forest to be a safe haven... its not as safe as Annie thought.
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Post by binarytears on Jan 14, 2011 13:38:27 GMT
"Do not be alarmed, the limb-chopping bracelet is a courtesy gesture we extend to all our guests."
I don't think Coyote gives a damn about other forest creatures getting jealous about his gift of a tooth. Note how pleased he is to hear it's still in her room. It seems the tooth features in some plan of his. In which case having Annie keep her mouth shut would be more about Coyote denying he had anything to do with what's going to happen in the Court with his tooth.
Remote control tooth? Something to do with Reynard? Rescuing him? Or.... Oh. This is not a nice idea. If Reynard dies in the Court, does that void Coyote's promise to leave the Court alone? Maybe Coyote left off saying "If you tell anyone in the forest _or_the_court_ ..." because in his plan there won't be any court soon?
Meanwhile, now's a perfect (stopped)time to find out what colour underwear Jones is wearing. One should never lose sight of ultimate priorities.
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Post by caelo on Jan 14, 2011 13:38:52 GMT
ZOMG tom turned Anny into an... EMO OH NUOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Post by paxjax123 on Jan 14, 2011 13:42:07 GMT
"I swear on my right hand..." Wait a moment, forget that silly phrase. I suddenly remember this page. Could this be just an illusion?
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