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Post by Refugee on Dec 1, 2010 19:16:46 GMT
i don't think coyote tooth will show up either, unless tom's in a disturbingly dark place and annie tries to kill herself with it. I agree that's unlikely, though. Annie's suicide would waste her mother's sacrifice. I think Surma knew, absolutely she knew. Now, whether she had a child despite knowing, or because of it -- RtbS.
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Post by Eisenblume on Dec 1, 2010 19:25:24 GMT
It's Annie! Annie is the chapter-titular Firespike! =o
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Post by atteSmythe on Dec 1, 2010 19:32:54 GMT
Things could get interesting if she does go to the forest, since I'm pretty sure Coyote doesn't know about any of this. If he did, he'd probably understand why Renard might not be much of a fan of Annie. And come to think of it, this page makes it even clearer ("and your mother is really gone?"). Wow, that whole meeting at the court is newly fascinating in light of recent revelations. Looks like it might be time for another reading of the archives soon.
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Post by dulcissima on Dec 1, 2010 19:57:50 GMT
Um.. well.. I have a strange feeling that Annie knew, or supposed why her mum died, but she is surprised and upset that they knew. But it is just my wild speculation.
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Post by hifranc on Dec 1, 2010 20:05:41 GMT
To me it looks as though Rey is being sympathetic as he tells her. As to whether she knew or not, I suspect that, subconciously, she had begun to suspect but had not admitted that to herself.
I think Mort or Kat would probably be the best people to talk to now. She needs a friend (and a shoulder to cry on).
I just had a thought: I think she's going to use City Face as a sounding board, calm down and then face reality.
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Post by 0o0f on Dec 1, 2010 20:09:23 GMT
She looked pretty shocked on Monday, though.
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Post by zuche on Dec 1, 2010 20:34:01 GMT
So Surma died, and they did/could do nothing?
For some reason, these circumstances remind me of Surma's words to Antimony back in Ghost Story, "Remember I will never send you into danger."
It also occurs to me that Coyote never lies either.
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Post by satanicpuppy on Dec 1, 2010 20:48:40 GMT
I'm rather surprised that one peculiar thing hasn't appeared in these comments yet, namely Annie's choice of words here. Rather than question this new revalation, she chooses to say "They knew?" It's somewhat of a longshot but it could be that Annie figured out that she in fact was (at least part of) the reason her mother died, but she concealed it from the world. I'll concede that it's improbable but it would be another defining aspect of Annie's character and, I have to say, quite amazing. Regardless of that, the impending fireworks show should be quite the sight as well. I think it's more like, "I thought they were my friends!" rather than "I can't believe they knew my dark secret!"
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Post by origori on Dec 1, 2010 21:04:04 GMT
Okay. I've been reading GC to my two little brothers, and I don't want to think about their reaction to this chapter.
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Post by christopher on Dec 1, 2010 21:34:25 GMT
It's Annie! Annie is the chapter-titular Firespike! =o Well, yeah... The comic is about her after all. Was it that in obvious??
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Post by silentsooyun on Dec 1, 2010 22:26:15 GMT
Of course Surma knew. Given her abilities and relationship with the Guides, how could she not? But it was so important to her to have a child anyways. Death held no fear for her, of course; birth, death... they're all part of the great cycle. She must have felt ready to die, if only to bring another life into the world. So she spent all her remaining time teaching her child, watching her play, enjoying her company.
The others, however, couldn't bring themselves to meet her point of view. They wanted to protect Surma's life over all else. There were probably some harsh words exchanged, some bonds broken. Anthony remained the only one who could maintain the appropriate emotional detachment to accept Surma's choice at face value, to father Surma's child, knowing it would kill her.
Or perhaps he loved her so completely he was willing to give her up to make her happy.
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Post by Eisenblume on Dec 1, 2010 22:32:01 GMT
It's Annie! Annie is the chapter-titular Firespike! =o Well, yeah... The comic is about her after all. Was it that in obvious?? But not all other chapter-titles are about her. =/ I mean, the Fangs of Summertime is not a description of Annie, right? I believed it to be an event, or maybe Surma, or the Blinker Stone, or another item. Was that so stupid?
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Post by scyllarus on Dec 1, 2010 22:32:26 GMT
agreeing what satanic puppy on this. she didn't look found out, and correct me if i'm wrong, but one does not normally collapse into tears when someone screams a secret of that nature. i just wonder if annie's angry because "gosh golly they were my friends, why didn't they say anything" or if she's freaked because " everyone hates me for killing my mother, especially my father." probably a little of both, to be honest, though i'm leaning a little more toward the idea that she's devastated because this would explain why anthony was never around and disappeared, effectively abandoning her.
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Post by Refugee on Dec 1, 2010 23:23:26 GMT
These people aren't her friends, they're her mom's friends. To Annie, they're teachers and mentors.
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Post by theweatherman on Dec 1, 2010 23:36:23 GMT
Okay, next page is either gunna be Annie running out into the hallway and finding Kat, whether she goes "Get out of my way!" while sobbing or just completely ignores her, or sits down and explains it to Kat is up for guesses, but I say the third, cos the first is heartbreaking, and the second is sad Or maybe it's just a montage of scenes with Annie running to a 'safer place', I'm hoping this one.
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Post by scalesandfins on Dec 2, 2010 4:21:17 GMT
Okay, this might sound kind of crass, but what the hell. Cookie on this being the most traumatic menarche ever.
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Post by wanderer on Dec 2, 2010 5:32:36 GMT
Part of Annie has probably feared something like this. Many children, and even many who are not children, have a tendency to think "it must be something wrong with me" in situations like Annie's. One parent dead, another apparently abandoned her, many children would think "it must be something I did. If I'm good enough maybe he'll come back. If I'd been good enough she wouldn't have died and left me alone." The thought MUST have occurred to her at some point that it was somehow her fault.
This is painful to see.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Dec 2, 2010 5:39:15 GMT
Tom has made Annie's hair elongate unnaturally when she's been running before. It's just artistic expression. For example, here and the very next page.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Dec 2, 2010 5:45:01 GMT
Okay, this might sound kind of crass, but what the hell. Cookie on this being the most traumatic menarche ever. I was actually thinking that too. after all, she was grimacing before even talking to Reynardine, and having to copy Kat's homework couldn't be putting her in that bad a mood. would make the title make sense too (...delicious) Annie's unexpected behavior in this chapter adds a lot of depth to her characterization. If it turns out to just be That Time Of Month, then I'll be ticked. And it wasn't the homework discussion, it was Rey's remarks about Tony that sent Annie over the edge.
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Post by Refugee on Dec 2, 2010 5:45:52 GMT
Of course Surma knew. Given her abilities and relationship with the Guides, how could she not? Exactly. Just to get it on the record here in the forum, see this from Formspring: Did Surma already know what would happen if she had a kid during the events of Ties? yes === onward: Or perhaps Anthony was her choice because she knew his attachment wouldn't be so great; it wouldn't hurt him so much to lose her. Or perhaps, like many young people, Surma and Anthony were just horny, and had one wild night...and Surma decided to have Annie when she found herself pregnant, despite the consequences for herself. Quite a huge chunk of the human race has come about in that fashion over history, and it is the common fate of parents to die before their children. I don't think we know enough about Surma and Anthony to do more than speculate.
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Post by mockingbirdflyaway on Dec 2, 2010 6:35:48 GMT
One thing that I remembered when I read this page was a comment of Tom's on Formspring.
Someone asks "Is Surma's mother still alive?"
and he replies: "No, that's kind of the whole point" or something along those lines.
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Post by Yin on Dec 2, 2010 6:51:29 GMT
He stated afterwards on his twitter that he misread the question as being about Surma herself. The answer is now simply 'no'.
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Post by Per on Dec 2, 2010 9:30:50 GMT
Of course Surma knew. She foresaw her death during the Time of Troubles and the Surmaspawn were to be the instruments of her resurrection.
City Face can be used for summoning Muut.
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Post by enelya on Dec 2, 2010 12:46:21 GMT
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Post by ladyset on Dec 2, 2010 14:01:48 GMT
annie is crying!!! awww, and rey looks real upset too! man, what on earth will happen next?
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Post by Eversist on Dec 2, 2010 16:00:07 GMT
I think "Annie's got her first period" is the lulziest theory I've read on this forum thus far. No offence.
Why does she need an external cause for her behavior? She learned something pretty crappy about her mother's character, therefore she's upset/concerned/whatever. She meets up with Jack on accident/purpose, he tells her conflicting information... she makes a face after she leaves, because he was hitting on her, or because everyone seems to know more about her mother than she does.
I just think it's quite a leap.
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Post by scyllarus on Dec 2, 2010 16:49:43 GMT
yeah, he's asked about boys several times, though sometimes it's a bit more jokey. i think that, despite everyone going "someone should have told her, it's important!" it wasn't that likely that she was going to run off with someone or get raped or anything. rey, seeing that surma got taken away from him like that, would probably just be more sensitive about her liking a boy. this actually makes me wonder if anja had an ulterior motive for asking kat to befriend annie...
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Post by fronzel on Dec 2, 2010 18:00:27 GMT
I think "Annie's got her first period" is the lulziest theory I've read on this forum thus far. No offence. As an explanation for her atypical behavior, I'd agree, but if the condition that killed Surma is inherited and Annie is only the latest in a line of girls who magically drained their mothers, Annie's menarch would bring some focus to what this revelation means for Annie's future. But I doubt it. Annie is functioning as a child; her parents are the most important thing in her life. I think to Annie and the comic, questions of her adulthood are still far away.
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Post by dismalscientist on Dec 2, 2010 18:26:19 GMT
i think that, despite everyone going "someone should have told her, it's important!" it wasn't that likely that she was going to run off with someone or get raped or anything. I do think that she should have been told before now, the remote possibility that she could become impregnated being only one of many reasons (assuming that the condition is hereditary). But you're right -- the actual danger to Annie was so minimal that it would be very easy for her mentors to justify not broaching a very difficult subject. ]Annie's menarch would bring some focus to what this revelation means for Annie's future. That's possible, but -- noting that you too doubt it -- I think it'd be kind of an odd choice of topics for this particular comic. Besides, don't girls usually experience their first period before 13? (Betraying my limited physiological knowledge ...)
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Post by Yin on Dec 2, 2010 23:06:29 GMT
The time of a menarche in a girl's life can vary really wildly. The youngest known is at three (although that was a hormonal problem of some kind) and one might even start much later in their late teens, or even at twenty.
Seriously though, it doesn't seem quite right for this chapter.
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