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Post by todd on Jul 2, 2010 22:40:24 GMT
I hope that we see Annie, in the next few pages, asking Jones more about the events - including getting some answers about just what happened in Zimmy's illusion (and her perspective on events - did she see herself as Zimmy, for example?).
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Post by Casey on Jul 2, 2010 22:41:25 GMT
On the next page, she is named as Juliette.
And contrary to many people's first impression (myself included), she is not Margo's mom, according to Tom's Formspring answers.
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Post by Per on Jul 2, 2010 23:18:57 GMT
She is obviously a time-travelling Margo.
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Post by tyler on Jul 3, 2010 0:17:02 GMT
I imagine ether-vision Izzy might look like this or the one on the left here.
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Post by Dvandaemon on Jul 3, 2010 1:01:07 GMT
Hmm... maybe Zimmy has some crazy look in ether-form that we have yet to see. Could explain why Rey has always kept his distance from her. Theory:He can see the whitelegs trying to get out. Her eyes, everytime she opens her mouth, he can see them begging to be set free
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polifrog
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Post by polifrog on Jul 3, 2010 1:51:21 GMT
Hmm... maybe Zimmy has some crazy look in ether-form that we have yet to see. Could explain why Rey has always kept his distance from her. Theory:He can see the whitelegs trying to get out. Her eyes, everytime she opens her mouth, he can see them begging to be set free That sir, is disturbing to say the least. Though, I'm still thinking that he is seeing darkness because of the term "demon" that he classifies her as.
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Post by monte on Jul 3, 2010 3:04:02 GMT
I'm kinda of wondering though... Why did the rain work this time... last time Zimmy said the something was wrong with the rain the factory made. I'm guessing that the factory always makes rain, it's just a question of whether or not there's ether in the water... last time the station kept the rain... I hope that we see Annie, in the next few pages, asking Jones more about the events - including getting some answers about just what happened in Zimmy's illusion (and her perspective on events - did she see herself as Zimmy, for example?). Or maybe asking a few questions about jones herself... I wonder if Zimmy can collect energy from something other than rain. What would happen if she visited the forest? (besides making Yensgrim angry.) I was thinking something similar, but wonder what if zimmy just went for a swim... afterall, the rain the factory makes seems to come from the bay by the court... there should be plenty of ether in the bay; no need to wait for rain
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jul 3, 2010 3:16:49 GMT
I'm kinda of wondering though... Why did the rain work this time... last time Zimmy said the something was wrong with the rain the factory made. I'm guessing that the factory always makes rain, it's just a question of whether or not there's ether in the water... last time the station kept the rain... Natural rainwater contains ether, and that's what helps Zimmy's mind. The power station normally extracts all ether from the water it evaporates, hence the rainfall in ch 19 was completely ether-free. This is why it did nothing for Zimmy. Here, Jones knew or guessed that it was the ether in the water that was helping Zimmy, so she told the people running the station to pump ether back into the evaporated water.
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Post by whosit on Jul 3, 2010 5:13:54 GMT
James may be the Court's dragon-slayer, but Jones is really starting to shape up to be the sleek, distaff counterpart to the great Chuck Norris.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jul 3, 2010 10:16:13 GMT
James may be the Court's dragon-slayer, but Jones is really starting to shape up to be the sleek, distaff counterpart to the great Chuck Norris. I want to see "Chuck" Jones roundhouse kick somebody ;D
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Post by Eversist on Jul 3, 2010 20:02:41 GMT
Did the mark on Reynard's head change?
Edit: Oh, I see other people have posted about this, but say nay? Hm.
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Post by whosit on Jul 3, 2010 21:25:31 GMT
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Post by GK Sierra on Jul 4, 2010 6:27:22 GMT
Looking at the last panel again, I find it interesting that Jones says "ether" in the water makes Zimmy more relaxed, since the only ether I know that relaxes people is a highly addictive anesthetic. Makes me think of Dr. Wilbur Larch in The Cider House Rules, by John Irving. Larch is a brilliant and charitable doctor (obstetrician/abortionist to be precise) but horribly addicted to ether. Yeah, the whole ether thing threw me off at first, and then I realized they were talking about the magical mystical energy, and not the stuff you put in a rag and inhale. Reminds me of Fear and Loathing in Los Vegas by Hunter S. Thompson. (You guys can extract free ether from your water? Dude! I'm coming to live at the Court!)
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Post by hal9000 on Jul 4, 2010 16:25:48 GMT
Theory: The Court intentionally makes it rain ether inside the boundaries of the Court every once in a while in order to keep Zimmy from going haywire and unleashing Hell on earth. Thereby making their reasons for bringing her to GC completely self-preservational. They can keep her from going to critical mass while she's here. Just a theory. Ah, allow me to poke some holes. That doesn't really jive with them using the power station to generate depleted-ether artificial rain that directly causes her to release hell on earth. Furthermore, there's evidence contradicting (or at least strongly implying a contradiction to) a purely self-preservative motive: Jones saying in this very chapter that the court brought her in as an interesting research specimen. Also, considering Tom's previous formspring answers on the subject, I'd wager the court's not doing their research with purely scientific motives either; I suspect they're trying to find ways to counter Coyote, perhaps by weaponizing the students' unique abilities.
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Post by Casey on Jul 4, 2010 17:20:43 GMT
Well here's my counter-poke. That doesn't really jive with them using the power station to generate depleted-ether artificial rain that directly causes her to release hell on earth. I believe that you are mistaken about what actually happened in the Power Station chapter. The rain did not make Zimmy do anything. What happened was that Zimmy had been due for a "cooling" for some time, and she was "holding it in" for the next rain. She needs etheric energy to cool her and the Station had already been "messin' wif" her regulation because it drains ether from the area. Remember that this is clearly not the first time the Station had ever been run (Jack knew its routine down to the second) but it was apparently the first time Zimmy had been around it, because she didn't know what was going to happen. So what actually happened is when it started raining, she was expecting it was going to cool her so she started to relax, but then it didn't work ("It's not workin'!") and she let her own control over her ability slip. (See the author comment on this page.) The Power Station did not cause Zimmy to implode. Zimmy allowed her control to slip because she expected something that didn't happen. The two are worlds apart. Besides that, the Hell on earth I'm referring to is actual bleeding over of Zimmy's manifestations into the real world. That isn't what happened at the Power Station either (at least, not the first time we saw the Power Station). Rather, Annie and Jack got pulled -into- Zimmy's world, and had to get out via Gamma. I base this on the fact that a)nothing changed for anyone else, b)Zimmy stated that Gamma was standing next to her in "real life", and c)time seemed to not move in the real world relative to their time in Zimmingham.
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Post by todd on Jul 4, 2010 22:37:22 GMT
Maybe some of the differences between what happened in the two chapters stem from Jack's possession by the Whitelegs. He didn't have it in him in Chapter Nineteen (not until after he got back), but he *did* have it in him in Chapter Twenty-eight, and it might have triggered the events this time around.
One other question about the Whitelegs (which we probably won't learn for a long time, especially since the only representative of its kind we know well is now gone for good); do they exist objectively in the Gunnerkrigg Universe, the same way as Coyote or the Guides do, or are they part of Zimmy's hallucinations that have gotten out of hand (and which might be permanently disposed of if she ever became permanently stable)? Is the nightmare city a "real" place in the Gunnerkrigg Universe, a Lovecraftian world that simply clothes itself in the form of a distorted Birmingham because it's what Zimmy's most familiar with (so that if she was, say, from St. Louis instead, it would look like a distorted St. Louis), or entirely a product of her illusions?
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Post by tyler on Jul 5, 2010 5:17:57 GMT
Our brains need a chemical that tells us that dreams aren't reality because, if we didn't have it, we couldn't tell the difference.
Zimmy's world could be real and yet not be a physical place. The danger would be in your own inability to process the difference between the experience and the reality of the situation. I suspect Zimmy's probably only alive right now because of Gamma and the court.
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Post by hal9000 on Jul 5, 2010 9:01:04 GMT
Well here's my counter-poke. That doesn't really jive with them using the power station to generate depleted-ether artificial rain that directly causes her to release hell on earth. I believe that you are mistaken about what actually happened in the Power Station chapter. The rain did not make Zimmy do anything. What happened was that Zimmy had been due for a "cooling" for some time, and she was "holding it in" for the next rain. She needs etheric energy to cool her and the Station had already been "messin' wif" her regulation because it drains ether from the area. Remember that this is clearly not the first time the Station had ever been run (Jack knew its routine down to the second) but it was apparently the first time Zimmy had been around it, because she didn't know what was going to happen. So what actually happened is when it started raining, she was expecting it was going to cool her so she started to relax, but then it didn't work ("It's not workin'!") and she let her own control over her ability slip. (See the author comment on this page.) The Power Station did not cause Zimmy to implode. Zimmy allowed her control to slip because she expected something that didn't happen. The two are worlds apart. Besides that, the Hell on earth I'm referring to is actual bleeding over of Zimmy's manifestations into the real world. That isn't what happened at the Power Station either (at least, not the first time we saw the Power Station). Rather, Annie and Jack got pulled -into- Zimmy's world, and had to get out via Gamma. I base this on the fact that a)nothing changed for anyone else, b)Zimmy stated that Gamma was standing next to her in "real life", and c)time seemed to not move in the real world relative to their time in Zimmingham. It's rather hard to say exactly what happened in these last few chapters. It's irrelevant to the point I was trying to make anyway; I was simply saying that if they had been intentionally generating ordinary, etherically-charged rain for Zimmy's benefit, it would make no sense for them to subsequently generate etherically-drained rain, since one could logically deduce (and intuitively figure, for that matter) that it would have the opposite effect on Zimmy.
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Post by Casey on Jul 5, 2010 13:02:44 GMT
I was simply saying that if they had been intentionally generating ordinary, etherically-charged rain for Zimmy's benefit, it would make no sense for them to subsequently generate etherically-drained rain, since one could logically deduce (and intuitively figure, for that matter) that it would have the opposite effect on Zimmy. Except that we know that it wouldn't. ( second panel) That the presence of something causes one effect to happen, is not to say that the absence of the same thing causes the reverse to happen. A good example from nature would be that you can cook something in water if it is hot enough, but no amount of cold water is going to make something raw again. Heat:ether::cooked:eased.
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