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Post by mturtle7 on Feb 1, 2023 19:42:19 GMT
Hmmmm. Does the court know about the robots' evolution into New People, or does it not? The reason I ask is, the court in the past has considered the robots to be mere tools, that they own, and don't feel bad about abusing. Where I'm going with this is, if the court decides they want to take the robots with them to the new planet, they may well do that, and not feel like they need to tell anyone about it. Especially teenage girls. I'm not sure it would matter to them about the NP, as long as they still can control their property though. So one follow-on question is, can they still override robots that have new bodies? I don't think we really know how the override was done to start with. Like whether it had to do with the actual chips or with the programming. If chips, then probably not, as they are in new hardware. If programming... uh oh. Another is, if they were to override Lana and take her with, which they would feel within their rights to do, how would Loup react to this? Not well, I'd wager. Bitterly and with wrath? I'd expect that reaction even if they just override her programming in general, even without an exodus. An attempt by the court to override all of the robots might also explain the image of a robot rising from the grave. I'm not quite ready to let go of the whole Kat army/M.O.D.O.K. theory though. Well, when Kat first started reviving robots, most of them were still being actively affected by the override, so the fact that they stopped being affected by it when they got their new bodies rather implies to me that there's no danger from it in the future. It's not explicitly stated in the comic, but I'm guessing that if Kat had just installed, say, Arthur's chip in a normal robot body, he would have just walked right back into his place in the shield.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jan 29, 2023 17:27:15 GMT
A small digression from wild robot theories and who is going to kill who and whether we can trust teenage witches and such: Does Paz eat meat? She can talk to birds and animals, so I have to wonder... I ask because it seems like she probably wouldn't want to eat things that can talk to her. That looks like Sushi they are eating. Can Paz talk to fish? We know she can talk to alien crustaceans, even underwater! Other folks have already answered this apparently, but I thought I'd add on that Paz is a farm girl, so she's probably a lot more used to a culture of "animals are our friends but we can also eat them" than your average city person. I doubt it bothers her all that much.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jan 23, 2023 17:44:47 GMT
Kat going too far was prophesizened (in other words, it happened before): (Repost from 2011, before the great Imageshack wipe.) Masterful.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jan 21, 2023 18:49:11 GMT
Don't know if anybody's done this wildspec before, but here's one I just thought of: Zimmy and Loup have been mentioning an "Omega" recently, with no mention of "Omega Device." In fact, Shell mentioned that "Omega" said something, with no "Device." What if Omega and the Omega Device are two separate but related entities? Specifically, what if Omega is an entity, while the Omega Device is just an invention that allows the Court to contact Omega? More specifically, what if Omega (possibly unknown to the Court of this timeline) is actually the dark, bitter Kat of the alternate timeline where Annie died years ago? The one whose future took her in a dark direction and dragged the Court there with her? Suppose she's been doing research into different timelines, so she and her machines can answer Court Prime's questions about the proper course of action, but the one thing she can't have is her Annie back, because she knows that going back in time to save her would just split off another timeline where a different Kat gets to have that timeline's Annie as a friend, but it wouldn't resurrect her own Annie. Hence the dark and bitter. This might also explain why Omega's information about the future has been unreliable since Annie's rescue – in her timeline, that didn't happen. By definition, she's the Kat from the timeline where that didn't happen. The Court in the prime timeline may or may not know who or what exactly Omega is; they may actually think they have a computer that answers their questions, or they may even think they've built a device that contacts some etheric oracle entity, but they may not know Omega is an alternate Kat. They might even just think that it's a highly advanced computer which looks into alternate timelines and spits out data based on that, in which case they would be technically correct!
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Post by mturtle7 on Jan 21, 2023 18:45:58 GMT
paz is prolly a great supplier on the down low The laboratory Paz works at is a supplier for the production of various emotionally inflicted animal powders. Its cannon and nothing will change my mind. I...I'm so torn about this...on one hand, I love Paz, and she's stated quite clearly in the past that she tries to make like for her lab animals as comfortable as possible, so it feels like they shouldn't be able to inflict such long-term emotional damage on them when she's on the job.
On the other hand, your idea is REALLY funny.
...ok, yeah, it's canon. I'm with you 100% of the way.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jan 20, 2023 17:50:48 GMT
Do we even know if the students have cellphones? We've assumed they must have, but how many times have we ever actually seen anyone in this comic use a cellphone? I mean aside from Jones, when Anthony's message came thru as a phone call to Annie. I'm drawing a blank. The comic started in 2005, before the idea of smartphones (iPhone was released 2007)and I think about 4-5 years has passed in comic time since then, although it was being written as if it was a history back then (I think that idea has been dropped though). GC has always been in a sort of semi not-real time period to me, which feels a bit like early 2000s with some modern references thrown in (such as the video game references in the side comics), so the lack of phones doesn't throw me too much See, I feel like keeping smartphones out of your comic as much as possible USED to help make it feel timeless, but after a certain point I think a *lack* of smartphones starts to become more noticeable than their obvious presence would be.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jan 20, 2023 17:43:36 GMT
No rats in the Court, Jenny. And who or what is providing the goat's blood. Where oh where does she get all this stuff? Edit: It's all part of her mystique. Good point – she must import them from the outside world. She definitely seems like the sort of witch who would pride herself on getting high-quality, artisanal, preservative-free, bones from only the most truly despairing rats, imported from a little shop in France, rather the cheap mass-produced stuff. Ditto for the goat's blood.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jan 18, 2023 20:15:29 GMT
The page gives me the impression that Annie knows Jerrek is Loup. I'm trying to remember if she's previously said or done anything that implies that, but can't recall anything on the spot. Maybe it's just an artistic thing to remind us, the reader, that Loup is currently acting peaceful and loving to make us care more about his fate, but I honestly worry far more about Zimmy. I hope she's wrong and that she won't have to die. I don't want Zimmy to die – but I didn't want Coyote to die either, and he did. Sort of. I haven't liked Loup as a character, and that has nothing to do with Coyote being a good guy (he wasn't) or doing good things (I guess sometimes he did, but only when they served his own ends). Loup is all brute force and hamfisted smashing. He created a Jerrek persona that seems to have taken his place, and frankly the disguise is more interesting than Loup himself. But anyway, even if Zimmy dies, she may not die for real. I still think that Zimmy may not have been reading the future but rather Annie's fears about the future. But she may have set Annie on the track of a self-fulfilling prophecy. When I think of Loup, I keep thinking of something I heard on an Overly Sarcastic Productions video, which basically said that you should never kill a character off unless their death is more interesting than their continued life in the story would be. I agree with you about Loup being relatively uninteresting, and that's why I was so frustrated when Tom basically killed off both Coyote AND Ysengrin in order to replace them with Loup. And in a weird way, I guess I have the same problem with the merging of the Annies; I was way more invested in the ongoing conversation between Court Annie and Forest Annie than I've been in this new, supposedly self-actualized Annie. Stay tuned for the next chapter, when Kat uses the Omega device to merge Gamma and Zimmy into Gammy, an ordinary non-supernatural girl who's a little goth/punk, likes stuffed animals, speaks decent Polish, and has no other notable traits.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jan 11, 2023 16:14:07 GMT
The Omega Device, from this perspective, is not some formidable creation of ultimate power. It's a failure. It's a testament to the previous generation's hubris. The previous heads of the Court, perhaps all the way down the line, had been so blinded by how easy the aether made their search for knowledge, that they failed to see that it was feeding them lies. Or at least, what the current Court believes to be lies. Material, tangible, observable, testable lies. Maybe not truly lies at all, or maybe that's what makes them so insidious. Who's to say, but in any case the Omega Device is the inflection point. So now it, and all their findings and creations have been reprogrammed to aid in the sole purpose of helping them escape itself. Or maybe not, I don't know You know, when you put it that way, it sounds like the Court is getting ready to just cut Omega loose. I wonder what Omega thinks about that, and what the consequences might be.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jan 8, 2023 4:13:06 GMT
Jesus christ, can we have a page where things are actually explained, instead of "I know about thing!" or "Oh no, vague but terrible consequences!" I hate to admit it, but I've been feeling like that a lot lately too. That's why this scene with Aata last August was such a breath of fresh air for me. It was the first time in a long time that I felt like questions the characters were asking actually got answered on-screen, rather than just speculated on or vaguely hinted at. And it's been a long time since... I know that long-running mysteries are one of the best parts of this comic, but ever since the Annies got re-fused, a lot of the mysteries have felt a lot more...frustrating, I guess, than usual. To me, at least.
"Kat was just telling me she was going to try and use it to -" ... find Zimmy, yes? Which is now unnecessary, since Annie found Zimmy first. But Kat doesn't know that yet. I sense some tragically bad timing coming up... Kat brought it up to Annie as a way to find Zimmy, but she also mentioned she was interested in hacking it to do "other things," as well. She might very well be waiting for Annie to finish her search attempt before using Omega for that specific purpose. But then again, maybe not.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jan 5, 2023 0:26:42 GMT
Open questions are, obviously, what Zimmy thinks is crazy (that they would want to absorb her power at all? that they want to leave the planet? that they want to use Zimmy's power to leave the planet? that Annie and co. wanted to warn her about that?), and what she has to worry about that's worse than the Court coming for her (is something wrong with Gamma? is something metaphysical going wrong with Zimmy's connection to the Ether? maybe it's something about Loup?). It seems likely that we'll find out something about the second question, at least, on the next page. I'm guessing it's the "leave the planet" part that's "crazy" to Zimmy, since it's so far outside her worldview. She probably can't really fathom why anyone would want to leave the planet, any more than she could fathom why people call stuff ' magic'. If she's not so worried about the Court hunting her down, I'm guessing it's something to do with Project Omega, since she's shown some kind of connection to that before. Regardless, you're right that we'll probably get more info about it next page, even if it's only hints.
EDIT: I forgot to mention that she's also probably less worried about the Court catching her because she's used to running from the authorities back in Birmingham.
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Post by mturtle7 on Jan 1, 2023 1:35:34 GMT
Annie, I really have no idea why Zimmy jump-scaring you even works here. You were TRYING to contact her, and you KNOW how she is, so really you have ZERO RIGHT to be so surprised when the clifftop shrouds itself in darkness and she appears right behind you to hoarsely whisper your name. This is all on you, girl.
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Post by mturtle7 on Dec 23, 2022 19:59:11 GMT
Best guestbook comments: Also, this raises belated questions. How are these laser cows doing now? Did they become NP? Or are they too far? Or do they want cow (or minotaur) bodies? ...You know, I can't believe this hasn't occurred to me before. I mean, we've seen tons of robots whose bodies were not only inhuman, but actually closer to other living creatures besides humans. And surely they all were part of the shield (and thus were subsequently part of Kat's reincarnation project), or we would have heard about it! Sky Watcher, the laser cows, the Model H series...the list really goes on. I could certainly see some of them choosing to be "humanized" given the chance, since that would be most likely to get them accepted by humans...but I can also definitely some of them wanting to try emulating their animal equivalents, at least int terms of embodiment. And, if I'm going to be perfectly honest with myself, I just think it would be more interesting if Kat also had to make some special pods to create bovine and/or equine bodies for some New People.
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Post by mturtle7 on Dec 23, 2022 19:47:56 GMT
The nice thing about being famous for using improvised materials for your magic is that if someone asks you to do something impossible, you can just take some random objects, toss them on the ground, and be like "welp I gave it my best try, it's just not cooperating, sorry" but everyone will honestly believe you put a lot of effort into it.
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Post by mturtle7 on Dec 21, 2022 19:11:50 GMT
I'm with you, I liked her goth look and didn't think it was all that generic. Her personality wasn't goth-like either! She was pretty bubbly and positive really.
Now, I can't look at her without thinking of Fallout. yeah, she had the Goth look but with an anti-Goth personality... she wasn't mopey or gloomy-doomy at all. The "Perky Goth" is actually a pretty well-established aesthetic/subculture, to the point where it didn't even occur to me to comment on it! To quote the TV Tropes page (not putting a link to it, since I know some people really try to avoid getting sucked into that site), "the Perky Goth, who is almost always female, operates on the principle that dark does not always mean depressing"; also, "to emphasize: perky goth is an acknowledged part of the goth subculture, not just something made up by media." Gilly from Dork Tower is pretty much the ideal example of this, to my mind.
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Post by mturtle7 on Dec 20, 2022 5:20:13 GMT
I actually really liked Jenny's look from the Torn Sea, calling it "generic goth" seems kind of unnecessarily harsh. I am also highly skeptical of Jenny's claim that her change in style counts as "getting over herself". Feels to me like she's implying that the goth thing was just a desperate ploy for attention, while this ultra-femme 50s vintage style is her natural, casual, look. Kind of uncannily like Shell - "I only wear it when I don't care how I look". Sure, girl. Suuuuuure.
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Post by mturtle7 on Dec 17, 2022 0:35:25 GMT
"If things had been a bit different", with Tom subtly adding the scratching scars to older Jack's face from when he was brain-spidered. THAT's attention to detail. Edit: unless that's just stubble? I was definitely assuming stubble before, but I like your interpretation way better!
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Post by mturtle7 on Dec 14, 2022 19:40:19 GMT
I also feel like he's got such an MC vibe it feels like he's doing a cameo. But I don't understand why. As an amateur writer trying to understand this kind of stuff, can you expand on this a bit? I gave it some thought, and tried to think of alternative scenarios to see if he'd get main character vibes in those scenarios. What I think it boils down to is: 1) He is trying to accomplish the same goal as the protagonist. If he was doing something else, albeit something interesting, it would come across as "the characters of the comic not focussed on also have interesting adventures" ala Faraway Morning. This also shows initiative on his part, a key trait of protagonists. 2) He is good at it, since he figured out details on his own in a way that surprised out protagonist. This further gives the impression that he is in control of the situation 3) Despite having a similar goal to our protagonist he seems rather independent of her. These points have a certain degree of overlap. It probably also helps that the things he reveals are not any revelations but things we already know, meaning he is on the same wavelength as the reader, which ideally the protagonist should be. Yeah, I think he's always kinda had a tendency to go off on adventuresome, rougish, quests on his own, which somewhat parallel the adventures of our own protagonists without overlapping much. Plus, there's the fact that being in the Queslett North instead of the Queslett South class means his social circles don't overlap with Annie's all that much. He's just distant enough to have "room" enough, so to speak, for his own supporting cast, without poaching from Annie's supporting cast. And finally, there's the interesting fact that when Annie *does* cross paths with him, he's always the one with the plan, and she just ends up either supporting him or standing aside and letting his plan play out.
Going through his history -
Literally his first appearance was when found something plot-significant on his own, then invited Annie (and the others) to tag along, and he just happened to do the exact same thing as Kat in order to sneak out of his dorm. Then, when Annie got zapped into Zimmingham, it turned out that he was there too - having his own spooky traumatic adventure, without actually crossing paths or even being seen by Annie.
Residential is a bit of an exception to the rule, but not really. Annie's implied to be the one coming up with the plan in that scenario - but then, the part where Jack gets his big reveal with the laser cows feels rather eerily similar to Annie's big reveal with the fire just before. He's technically supporting her plan there, but still comes across as being the one in control. And he never asks her for help or anything, plus he demonstrates his ability to know stuff she doesn't.
Then of course there's the whole Spring Heeled arc, which immediately makes it clear that he's been on the run from the law for some unspecified period of time, acting like a cool outlaw protagonist sticking it to the man in a way that has nothing to do with Annie whatsoever. Then, just like the last time they went to the Power Station, he invites her to tag along to someplace he already knows about and has already prepared for. All she does in that chapter is ask some expository questions of him, help him past obstacles, and finally refuse to keep supporting him so they go their own separate ways. And hilariously, in Spring Heeled Part 2, she turns out to be almost completely irrelevant to his adventure. Zimmy comes to him just like he planned, Zimmy confronts him, and finally Zimmy takes care of his nasty little hitchhiker while Jones activates the rain which dispels Zimmingham. Annie's only role there is talking to Jones, explaining what happened, and standing in the background a little while Zimmy does the important stuff (though we the audience don't know that until the big reveal).
In Faraway Morning...well it's not that he's "the one with the plan", exactly, but Annie does accidentally end up "supporting" him again by being the catalyst for his own personal revelation that he's in love with Zimmy. And he just kinda gives the impression that he's the one in control of their long conversation in that chapter - he acts very secure in his understanding of himself, and expresses sympathy for how Annie is honestly kind of a huge mess at that point in her life.
To be clear, I'm not saying he makes Annie any *less* of a protagonist, herself - she just kinda always has her own stuff that she's dealing with in her own protagonist-y way, while he has a separate bunch of stuff that he's dealing with in a slightly different, but still parallel, protagonist-y way. It's a really interesting dynamic, honestly.
EDIT: also, her left leg is obviously just hidden by the skirt you guys, come on.
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 30, 2022 21:05:36 GMT
Wow!!! Ok, I'll admit, I wasn't really expecting Tom to go back and actually address the question of why Renard & the other students didn't feel anything on the Star Ocean like Loup and Zimmy did. It's, uh, still not exactly clear why it affected Zimmy, though...but hey, maybe they'll still address that in the next few pages.
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 28, 2022 4:19:21 GMT
A couple thoughts about shifting: We've only seen Loup shift anyone. Ysengrin really doesn't seem the type to know how to do things like that, so Loup almost certainly inherited that capability from Coyote. Several noticed that Annie had been shifted and didn't seem surprised by that being a thing. The Norns mentioned Coyote being able to mess with time. Everyone says Coyote can do anything he wants. So if we see anyone shifted, the only one we KNOW can do that is Coyote, perhaps as a part of Loup. I don't think it is possible to un-shift someone that has been shifted. That was hinted at a couple of times. For example, Zimmy asked Annie which one would stay and which one would go! She only got merged thanks to Zimmy's powers over reality. This is consistent with what we saw happen. The new merged Annie had memories from both Cannie and Fannie, and her flame powers were much stronger in merged form. I maintain that shifting someone means plucking them from another reality so there are now two, or plucking two of them from two different realities if the original has died... like Annie.
By the way, this also means Zimmy can affect things in such a way that the effects persist in reality, not just in Zimmyland! No wonder Renard was so freaked out by her!
IF the Seraph robots are shifted, as I've theorized, then they are individuals at this point. Yet, there is something special about them - the green mezzanine chip on their brain chips. I feel like I'm on the track of something here but do not know for sure it isn't a snipe I'm hunting. Consider this: Do we really know that Diego created the Seraphs? It also could have been the golem robots. Or Coyote. Or a time-shifted Kat. Or Omega. Until we know more about the Seraphs and Robot, we won't know whether many were created or only one. They do have numbers, like S13, but like... I'm sure the court has paint. There's plenty of precedent for Zimmy's powers having real, permanent, effects, like in Spring Heeled and Divine.
And I think the way Zimmy described it here made it pretty clear there isn't really a clear, universal, set of rules for what happens if someone's "shifted" - or, as she put it, "split". What I got from that scene is that given the nature of magic in this world, there are lots of ways for one person to be split into two people who share essentially the same identity somehow, and since Zimmy's seen a lot of weird sh*t (most of which she caused), it's only natural that she's seen some phenomena of that type. But since there are different ways for it to happen (i.e. different sources of magic behind it), there are also different potential rules regarding how it behaves, hence her casual uncertainty about the Annies' particular situation (e.g. "it depends", "is one of you gonna get zapped away or what?"). Off the top of my head, I'd imagine that Zimmy might have seen include some where people get split into alternate future versions of themselves and then fate conspires to kill off those versions until only one remains, or some where people get split into different selves representative of their personality traits and then recombine into one person but loses the memories of all but one of the others, etc., etc.
What's always been frustrating about Annie's situation, of course, is that our little friend the Interpreter seemed to know EXACTLY the method by which she had been split into two people, right down to what kind of person (or rather, god) could do that. But they weren't exactly eager to share a lot of the details. Maybe the way that the Annies got recombined was how it normally works? Would Loup have done it if Zimmy hadn't? Or maybe Loup was lying, and there isn't a way for even him to just 'recombine' the Annies once they'd become two separate people already? Maybe he would have just sent one of the Annies back to the other timeline he created, and declared it fixed? We don't know, and the characters aren't even curious!!!
Of course, when we don't know something and will probably never have a chance to find out, that's where Wildspec has the chance to shine. I'd like to add to your theory by proposing that S13 - or rather the Seraph - has indeed been shifted, in the same way that Annie was shifted, by creating 13 different timelines and plucking a new Seraph out of each of them. S13 is the original, and in the same way that only one Annie remembers interacting with Loup, he's the only one who remembers interacting with the person who shifted him - Kat, the "Angel" from yet another alternate future where Annie died by falling off the bridge. Hence why he was the only one to preach the "heresy" of the Angel, long before he met the Kat we now know.
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 24, 2022 16:34:33 GMT
In #2211 Anthony’s new hand (or stump) needs manual care. Because somehow it’s easier to make a pseudo-flesh robot hand than add a built-in dispenser/tap for whatever-it-is. Uh-huh. He opted out (on the grounds of testing features one by one, perhaps), didn’t he? It would be like him, to approach in a roundabout way something he cannot go about in a straightforward way. Maybe doubles as assisted self-flagellation, too. They're just some antibiotics, injected at regular intervals for a short time after initially applying the prosthetic. Having someone inject them by hand seems entirely reasonable to me! And remember, the whole point of this project was to imitate the functions of an actual, biological human hand as closely as possible, which means also accepting some inherent flaws as well, such as being " self-healing, but overall weaker" and requiring some extra care and maintenance (especially when it's very new and doesn't have a lot of muscle or immune response built up yet).
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 16, 2022 21:28:21 GMT
NEVER MIND I'M DONE NEVER COMING BACK TO THIS F*CKING FORUM OR THE COMIC THAT INSPIRED IT AGAIN I'M SO F*CKING DONE I CAN'T EVEN
Wow, I can't believe you've found a use for that edit twice now.
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 16, 2022 21:18:54 GMT
Uh oh, there's a new medium in town. Also, she's not very big and only Jerrek currently knows where she is. So she's a small medium at large. NEVER MIND
I'M DONE
NEVER COMING BACK TO THIS F*CKING FORUM OR THE COMIC THAT INSPIRED IT AGAIN
I'M SO F*CKING DONE I CAN'T EVEN
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 16, 2022 21:17:39 GMT
the arc is a fever dream and I love it, Tom swerved the shit out of everyone with this storyline I'm glad you liked it! Personally, this whole arc with Lana hasn't exactly been to my tastes...I've been thinking about taking a break from the comic for a while, but sheer force of habit and my love for this forum has kept me coming back for the regular updates.
I'm not a hundred precent sure whether Loup's "as something else" comment means he likes Annie romantically, unlike Coyote and Ysengrin, or if his interest in her is non-romantic, unlike his interest in Lana. Or maybe a bit of both, he like Annie non-romantically in a way which is different from either Ysengrin or Coyote's love for her. I think I like all three of those options, though, so I approve of this development regardless.
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 9, 2022 21:15:02 GMT
It's kdin fo strange when the poor quality of an edit actually increases its quality enormously. A paradox! It's also a reference to a meta-comic satire of poorly made webcomics that's called "Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff" Yes, and the sloppy editing of text makes it a more accurate reference, which was the paradox I was referring to (sort of a meta-meta-reference, at this point).
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Post by mturtle7 on Nov 7, 2022 6:32:20 GMT
It's kdin fo strange when the poor quality of an edit actually increases its quality enormously. A paradox!
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Post by mturtle7 on Oct 14, 2022 16:32:17 GMT
Anyone have the link to the "last update 9 years ago"? I want to see how much things have changed since the last one. I remember picking up the first couple books in my high school library over a decade ago. Always fills me with joy to see the comic and Tom doing well. Two week break well deserved!
Last time was shortly after he started working on the comic full time. And this one is...well, not-so-shortly after he moved to the US and got married (though he doesn't mention that part in his post, oddly enough).
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Post by mturtle7 on Oct 9, 2022 20:06:26 GMT
The crossover we all wanted to see (wanted to have it ready before today's update but welp had to rush it and didnt get to clean up much) This might be the most beautiful thing I've seen all weekend. I've never been so glad to see this thread's age-old tradition of the Gunnerkrigg-Homesstuck crossover continued!
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Post by mturtle7 on Oct 3, 2022 15:59:13 GMT
Is this "Loup" acting this way, though? Or is it the "Ysengrin" part of him? Y would not like being saved by a love-struck teen. "Damn you" is very much a Ysengrin-ism, I certainly can't picture Coyote ever saying something like that with any degree of sincerity. That being said, the "Ysengrin" part of Loup is still Loup, just as much as the "Anthony" part of Antimony is still Antimony. I'm not sure the distinction is quite as meaningful as you think, here!
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Post by mturtle7 on Sept 30, 2022 3:43:16 GMT
huh. okay, well, loup can freak out all he wants about the star ocean and how it'd destroy him, but... rereading the past pages, annie is half etheric, renard is full etheric, zimmy is (?) etheric. they've been doing just fine in the star ocean, unless i missed something. swallowing huge gulps of the water of the star ocean even. Admittedly, this only really explains Zimmy, not Annie or Renard. Or any of the other students on that cruise ship who were connected to the Ether, for that matter. Or Lindsey... Like, I've been trying to say that Zimmy is just categorically different from all the others, in the same power class as Loup, so that's why only were affected...but it still seems kinda weird that Renard, Lindsey, and the students with etheric powers weren't affected even a little. Especially given how the M.C.R. was talking about "those particularly connected with the ether" on the cruise, as if it was a big group.
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