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Post by hal9000 on May 31, 2010 11:39:45 GMT
Jones is made of meat. Your whole family is made out of meat. I for one welcome our new robot overlords. Also: What if Jones were actually a robot but didn't know it? Is Jones a replicant? Do androids dream of electronic sheep?
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Post by Refugee on May 31, 2010 12:57:12 GMT
Pfft. Breaking through walls with your stiffened fingers. That's nothing.
Annie left her thumbprint on the moon.
Jones has simply learned to do that sort of thing without Coyote's help.
[update]Hm, I wonder if Annie can learn to do what Jones does without completely losing her emotional affect?
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Post by legion on May 31, 2010 12:59:07 GMT
Replicants are not robots though, technically; they're biological constructs.
Also, good page.
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Post by blue on May 31, 2010 13:00:13 GMT
Oh man she actually asked her! Maybe once she gets to the roof, she'll use the good reception to call her dad's cell phone.
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Post by edzepp on May 31, 2010 13:45:18 GMT
Weird art thing: In the penultimate panel (again), Jones has 6 fingers. (5 fingers and a thumb)
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Post by troll on May 31, 2010 14:01:23 GMT
"You're the aspiring Medium. Go do the job."
I'm fine with it.
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Post by zylonbane on May 31, 2010 14:21:48 GMT
In panel 4, it looks as if Jones actually punched through two walls on their way in. Judging by the coloration, I'm guessing Annie is standing in the first, outer hole in panel 3, watching Jones kung-fu through a second, thinner interior wall in panel 2.
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Post by Casey on May 31, 2010 14:31:15 GMT
It does make sense though. Annie decided to go on this adventure because she saw Jack as someone who needed her help, and she decided that she was the one to give that help. That's probably just the sort of attitude that Jones wants to encourage in her medium students.
If Jones stepped in now, what would that do to a student's confidence in taking on things that appear to be bigger than them? What if someone had told a young Annie "no, that fire is too scary, let me quash it for you"?
So in that, Jones's decision to send Annie forward alone is not an admonishment of Annie's rash decision to take on the task of helping Jack on her own. Rather, it's Jones's reinforcement with Annie that this confidence in handling big problems yourself is exactly what she needs to believe in.
Besides you know Jack isn't violent towards people or anything. Plenty of opportunity he had to dispose of Annie and didn't. Jack is nuts, but he's not stupid.
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Post by Dvandaemon on May 31, 2010 14:42:21 GMT
Thank god that's finally cleared. Now we just need another shirt: "Jones, not a golem either." ;D Or on the back it says "Everything else is up in the air" ;D
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Post by shuis112 on May 31, 2010 15:11:50 GMT
I love how Rey is all ready to go in wolf form by the end of the page...details make this comic awesome.
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Post by nickgoodway on May 31, 2010 15:30:07 GMT
In 583 and 586 Jones clearly has 4 fingers on her left hand, although we seldom see her left since she seems to be right-handed, so perhaps this is just a slip of the nib.
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Post by shuis112 on May 31, 2010 15:52:58 GMT
Besides you know Jack isn't violent towards people or anything. Plenty of opportunity he had to dispose of Annie and didn't. Jack is nuts, but he's not stupid. I agree with you in that I don't have a problem with Jones sending Annie out there to deal with the situation, but that's more because I know she'll be keeping an eye on things. We really don't know what Jack is capable of doing at this point, yes he hasn't hurt Annie directly (just allowed her to serve as a distraction while he got away) but up until now she hasn't actively tried to hinder his agenda...it'll be interesting to see what happens next (as always).
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Post by violet on May 31, 2010 16:28:13 GMT
So Jones just powered through a ~2-meter thick reinforced concrete wall without even breaking a sweat. Jesus H. Christ. It sortof makes the robot theory less likely, even if it hadn't been explicitly shut down numerous times. As far as I can recall, most of the Court robots aren't amazingly more advanced than what we might build, processing and consciousness aside—in fact, the Court overall doesn't seem to have technology vastly in advance of ours. And its technology looks, well, technological. A robot that looked, acted, and felt entirely human but who could tear through a concrete wall without a scratch would be an oddity. Or to point out to Annie that the entire reason she even agreed to go along was because Jack told her that Rey could come too, in order to protect her in case Jack tried to do anything to her. Well, that plan didn't go so well.
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Post by dawngazer on May 31, 2010 16:51:38 GMT
Epic shirt. I'd buy.
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Post by cheddarius on May 31, 2010 16:52:26 GMT
She could be powered by etheric means or something, or have an owner more skilled than any we've seen before. And, as always, Reynard and Jones could be lying. But Tom said she wasn't a robot. She's not a robot.
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Post by zylonbane on May 31, 2010 17:05:44 GMT
She's not *A* robot. She's TEN robots! Aha!
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Post by qmarx on May 31, 2010 17:06:33 GMT
Of course, you realize that that's exactly what a robot would say.
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Post by ๖ۜShockwave Ӡ on May 31, 2010 17:51:23 GMT
She's not *A* robot. She's TEN robots! Aha! That makes so much sense now
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Post by hal9000 on May 31, 2010 18:10:21 GMT
So in that, Jones's decision to send Annie forward alone is not an admonishment of Annie's rash decision to take on the task of helping Jack on her own. Rather, it's Jones's reinforcement with Annie that this confidence in handling big problems yourself is exactly what she needs to believe in. If Jones stepped in now, what would that do to a student's confidence in taking on things that appear to be bigger than them? What if someone had told a young Annie "no, that fire is too scary, let me quash it for you"? There are times when you can reasonably quash a fire yourself, and times when you should just get the hell out and call the fire department. Which is to say, occasionally calling on others to help solve a problem when the problem is outside your expertise isn't necessarily a weakness. You also missed the possibility that Jones is hanging back because she really is just interested in seeing the outcome of a grudge match between Annie and Jack. Yeah, he isn't violent towards people who aren't doing anything to get in his way, that we've seen so far. This will be Annie directly trying to stop him, and he's only gotten more desperate and unhinged as time has gone by. Annie has no non-lethal means that could reasonably be expected to subdue him if he goes all-out in attacking her with his new powers, either.
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Post by canus on May 31, 2010 18:27:19 GMT
"I am not a robot"? Sounds like something a robot would say! A robot who can hack the forums and post misleading information under Tom's name...
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Post by cheddarius on May 31, 2010 19:25:01 GMT
Of course, you realize that that's exactly what a robot would say. TOM SIDDELL IS A ROBOT
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Post by legion on May 31, 2010 19:50:42 GMT
Of course, you realize that that's exactly what a robot would say. TOM SIDDELL IS A ROBOT REPLICANTFixed.
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Post by zylonbane on May 31, 2010 20:41:26 GMT
What if someone had told a young Annie "no, that fire is too scary, let me quash it for you"? Since Annie would probably have been planning to douse the fire, I think she'd be curious to see how one might go about quashing one.
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Post by Snes on May 31, 2010 21:28:21 GMT
In 583 and 586 Jones clearly has 4 fingers on her left hand, although we seldom see her left since she seems to be right-handed, so perhaps this is just a slip of the nib. Not just that, but she smashed Jack's device with her left hand and left a clear, normal hand print in the wall.
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Post by Casey on May 31, 2010 22:07:28 GMT
What if someone had told a young Annie "no, that fire is too scary, let me quash it for you"? Since Annie would probably have been planning to douse the fire, I think she'd be curious to see how one might go about quashing one. I'm sorry, I don't understand your response. Have you read Ch. 16 of this comic?
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Post by todd on May 31, 2010 22:15:59 GMT
What if someone had told a young Annie "no, that fire is too scary, let me quash it for you"? It's arguable that it might have kept Annie from having unrealistic beliefs about her abilities to handle tricky etheric situations and being convinced that she could handle them herself without asking the grown-ups for help. But Annie's mistaken conclusions about how to handle things at the Court might not have been an inevitable result of the Martin incident (there are two differences: the Court problems weren't all cases of ghost children being tormented by visions of the way in which they died, and there was nobody else at the hospital qualified to handle Martin, while there are plenty of experienced people at the Court). Perhaps Annie's problem was failing to realize that not all etheric problems are like Martin's.
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Post by Casey on May 31, 2010 22:54:01 GMT
Wait a minute. You say that Annie has "unrealistic beliefs", "mistaken conclusions", and a "problem" of "failing to realize" something.
I want to know where you get the idea that Annie is so wrong about things. Do you think that just because Jack set out to use her and Reynardine at first, means that she is unable to help him in the end, and even that she was wrong to even consider trying to help him? If that's not what you're trying to say, then please correct me. But in that case, I want to know what it is that leads you to believe that she has so radically misjudged her ability to solve problems that other people can't.
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Post by todd on May 31, 2010 23:02:35 GMT
What I meant was that it's arguable that Annie's attempts at solving problems on her own rather than going to the teachers for help has frequently led to troubles:
1. Shadow2's plight in Chapter One. Annie decides, rather than taking him to her teachers and explaining his situation, to solve it herself by building Robot and sending him across the bridge with Shadow2 - thus leading to Robot being possessed by Ysengrin, the bridge incident, and a diplomatic incident between the Court and the Wood. (To be fair to Annie, she didn't know that Anja could have simply used her Blinker Stone to alert the wood to a lost shadow-child at the time - but she still doesn't consider the possibility that the teachers might be able to help.)
2. Annie decides to break Reynardine out of prison herself rather than telling the teachers what went on (if she'd tried that approach first, they could have told her that Reynardine wasn't really a noble monster in distress).
The consequences of both incidents (Robot in Gillitie Wood and Reynardine no longer under Eglamore's immediate watch) lead to the bridge incident, and from there to the increased frictions between the Court and the Wood.
Annie's at her most successful when she's doing things fitting in with her etheric talent (such as taking over for Gamma in keeping Zimmy's internal demons at bay), but a lot of her actions seem like a case of her getting into trouble because she tries to handle them herself, without considering going to the teachers who know more about what's going on at Gunnerkrigg and Gillitie than she does.
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Post by lovecraft1024 on May 31, 2010 23:16:38 GMT
"You're the aspiring Medium. Go do the job." I'm fine with it. Likewise! She went through her sort of fear of getting in trouble phase, and now, thanks to some sort of encouragement from Jones, is ready, without hesitation, to go on to the next step.
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Post by Casey on May 31, 2010 23:27:14 GMT
1) Annie -did- try to bring Shadow 2 to the teachers' attention. He wouldn't let himself be seen.
2) Finding Reynardine isn't something she could have brought to a teacher's attention... she knew that the Court was holding him in what she determined from her own ethics to be in unacceptable conditions of captivity, so she set out to right that wrong. How would she have brought that to the attention of the very people she thought were in the wrong?
3) The increased frictions between the Court and the Wood were a ruse perpetrated by Ysengrin. He explicitly said that they were content to ignore the bridge incident, believing a human had been killed in the process. But remember the entire incident happened in the first place not because Annie sent Robot over the bridge, but because Ysengrin used it as an opportunity to send Robot -back- over the bridge to deliberately cause harm or stir up trouble or whatever. When that didn't work, he buried the Tic Toc to give him something else besides the bridge incident to gripe over. Annie didn't cause the rift... it was already there, and Ysengrin was just looking for an opening to exploit.
Jones encouraged Annie to continue to investigate the Jeanne matter on her own. She already suspected that there were things going on that other people didn't know about. So there's no one that Annie could have gone to about that.
The Jack incident falls directly into Annie's purview as a medium... the reason they have etherically talented mediums, as I understand it, is -because- there's no one at the Court who is properly suited to handle etheric issues other than the mediums. So here again, who would Annie have gone to about Jack? She already observed that their gold-buttoned efforts to contain Jack were futile. Jones confirms this by getting the gold-buttons off his tail and having Annie deal with it herself. Despite what some people seem to want to think, I doublt seriously that Jones is a sadist who wants to throw disparate elements together just to see what would happen. Jones has never been capricious like that. I think it's apparent that Jones believes that Annie is the best person to resolve this issue, and that's why she sent her up there.
Different people might have differing perspectives, but, I don't personally see that there's anything here pointing to the conclusion that Annie routinely gets herself in over her head where she should really step aside and let someone else handle it. I think that for many of her adventures, she's really the only one qualified to handle it, and that's why the Court needed someone like her in the first place. In fact there have been others who have been saying here recently that if anything Jones is trying to tell Annie that she needs to rely on herself MORE... and that that is why she is sending her up there alone to finish the job: because she (Jones) believes that Annie is capable of doing so, and she needs Annie to believe it as well.
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