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Post by Casey on Apr 16, 2010 17:58:42 GMT
Or on the other hand, maybe Tom wanted to draw a beam of energy shooting from a tall tower off to the horizon, and wasn't expecting everyone to break out their slide rule in order to figure out "what it all means".
I mean, I've been guilty of overanalyzing in the past... so I feel qualified to say: Really guys. Let's just let it be and enjoy the comic. The place is large, but we don't need to give Tom a complex about whether we think he made "a mistake" in representation. [hippie voice]It's just art, maaan, let it... be, maaaan.....[/hippie voice]
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Post by Mr Pitchfork on Apr 16, 2010 17:59:13 GMT
Is it in the UK though?
Observation: Tom usually only textures the background. Today he has textured the characters as well. He usually only does this if there is a fog. Perhaps the room is rather dark? Or is he texturing everything now?
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Post by warrl on Apr 16, 2010 18:05:24 GMT
I mean, I've been guilty of overanalyzing in the past... Isn't that what these forums are for?
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Post by legion on Apr 16, 2010 18:23:43 GMT
Another possibility: the other stations aren't in the court, but in other cities/places of science.
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Post by tyler on Apr 16, 2010 18:28:18 GMT
Also, the map of stations may not be to scale. Like a subway map.
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Post by Ulysses on Apr 16, 2010 18:55:46 GMT
Consider, however, that the court may not actually be on Earth as we know it. It could exist within a pocket dimension, on another plane of reality, or some other magical/sci-fi idea that's shown up in other media.. This one. Tom has said that Eglamore was knighted by the Queen of England, but not Elizabeth II, so it's not our England. If the magic and robots hadn't given that away already. Really guys. Let's just let it be and enjoy the comic. The place is large, but we don't need to give Tom a complex about whether we think he made "a mistake" in representation. [hippie voice]It's just art, maaan, let it... be, maaaan.....[/hippie voice] I don't think he made a mistake, I'm happy to believe the Court is genuinely that big. I know what you mean though - the Court is real big, the actual size is arbitrary. Another possibility: the other stations aren't in the court, but in other cities/places of science. Also, the map of stations may not be to scale. Like a subway map. Valid points which I hadn't considered.
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Post by shouqi on Apr 16, 2010 19:12:09 GMT
There are a few points here.
First, Jack is more prepared than Batman. For a person who's claiming to be exploring the power station for the first time, he came knowing what he was gonna do and knowing what he needed Annie for in the first place. He knew what security systems he could bypass and which ones he couldn't destroy without triggering failsafes, and has cut himself and Annie off from pursuit with his unorthodox approach (rowing across the lake) and his security systems.
Second, this might be part of the power structure that Anja uses for her ether computer. Jack might be downloading a version of her amulet now, which will allow him to access the more esoteric functions of the computer. If that is the case, Renard is there so that Jack can test the system out and see how it works. Then again, it might not - pure speculation.
Third, I can see the spider wanting to use the Court's ether control centers to empower itself. If that's the case, then an already reasonably capable spider is about to get substantially more so.
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Post by Refugee on Apr 16, 2010 19:15:38 GMT
I think I'd have to agree with a bigger on the outside sense. Consider, however, that the court may not actually be on Earth as we know it. It could exist within a pocket dimension It's "Beyond The Fields That We Know." And, I think, it's something of a Potemkin City. It does not strike me as a bustling metroplex. Where are the people? Where does their food come from? Where is the traffic, the construction, the by-the-lord-harry sirens? It looks as it looks because that's how magical folk think technology should look. [Obscure reference: Zelazny's Jack of Shadows.] The Control Room is different. It's real, in a way that the Court at large is not. Reynard is uncomfortable there, in a way he was not even in the rest of the power station.
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Post by todd on Apr 16, 2010 22:25:52 GMT
This one. Tom has said that Eglamore was knighted by the Queen of England, but not Elizabeth II, so it's not our England. If the magic and robots hadn't given that away already. Though, as I've brought up before, it must have a reasonably close similarity to the real Britain, because the pop culture references are to real movies, video games, etc. (Unless Tom's translating them, using the most immediate real-world equivalents, and Kat's been really playing different video games and reading different comic books than the ones named in the comic - though we'd probably better not get into that....)
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Post by Casey on Apr 16, 2010 22:42:03 GMT
Yeah Gunnerkrigg isn't set in a parallel universe any moreso than, say, the movie Air Force One where a guy who looks just like Harrison Ford is the President of the United States. Difference between a fictional world, and a parallel universe.
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Post by Refugee on Apr 16, 2010 23:36:25 GMT
I said: [The Court] looks as it looks because that's how magical folk think technology should look. ... The Control Room is different. It's real, in a way that the Court at large is not. Reynard is uncomfortable there, in a way he was not even in the rest of the power station. Sudden before-dinner thought: The power stations, and this control room, are what supports the illusion of the Gunnerkrig metroplex. And the Gunnerkrig illusion itself is only a side effect of the barrier, the shield, that divides the Court from the Wood, and maintains it against the agencies of the Wood, like Coyote.
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Post by TBeholder on Apr 16, 2010 23:47:48 GMT
man, if they really wanted security they would make a proprietary OS and data interface. making it literally impossible to hack without somehow building one of your own. Let's continue to ignore all signs of the station being viewed as so important that Jack is the only one in the whole Court who ever bothers to come there not because of some emergency. It's the Very Secret Facility, yay! It's also kind of weird that there's one standalone computer in the room when everything else seems to be tied to the panels around the room. It's kind of the whole point to have everything wired into panels in first place. That computer is needed only to dump diagnostics or something like this. Or it may be just plugged in later to take over most of the panels' controls in more convenient form. Is this maybe a sign that the computer Jacks messing with is for something other than surveillance? Because the room-computer looks very much like flight/boat surveillance/control to me. (Remembering every particle accelerator i saw so far) IMHO it's quite normal for power equipment to be made in Boring Low Level Gadgetry Panels. It looks a lot like one of those nuclear reactor switchboards from the former Soviet Union. Slate grey and tons of steel switches and router boards. But it was made to be easy to use for the bears. Do you think someone knew Mr.Plushie will be there? Also, jacks usb drive is glowing red. It's either a blinker usb or PURE EVIL. +1. ;D Where are the people? Where does their food come from? Where is the traffic, the construction, the by-the-lord-harry sirens? It's not like Court is a typical city and it's not like everyone and their laser cow would visit a school or park every day. But there seems to be too much unused buildings, yes.
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Post by sharp on Apr 17, 2010 5:57:45 GMT
Another possibility: the other stations aren't in the court, but in other cities/places of science. I really like this idea. As far as I can tell, Gunnerrigg Court handles mostly European students. Have we seen any characters that are identified as American? Or Asian? Equivelent schools would be quite interesting to see. The only hangup would be: If Coyote came to Gilltie from North America...did he take his "magic" and thus the magic of the country with him?
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Post by wlerin on Apr 17, 2010 6:30:11 GMT
Or, alternatively, the spider wants to shut down the entire network with a virus, so it can grow unhindered by the court's etheric defenses.
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Post by Mylian on Apr 17, 2010 12:41:35 GMT
Also, the map of stations may not be to scale. Like a subway map. That's usually done to shorten distances, though, not to expand them.
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Post by tyler on Apr 17, 2010 12:49:34 GMT
The only hangup would be: If Coyote came to Gilltie from North America...did he take his "magic" and thus the magic of the country with him? Well, living in America, I'd have to say that's a distinct possibility. Not the whole country, though. There are other gods than Coyote. I think Money Spider would be very comfortable here, though.
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Post by November on Apr 17, 2010 17:41:09 GMT
I think Jack's spider has no intention of entering this machine. I actually think Jack's spider is overanalyzed, it's not controlling him, it's not doing anything at all. I think it's just a visual aid to show that the Jack we knew is getting worn out and the aftereffects of the Brimingham accident is not well for him.
On topic, I think the Court is way too big, considering Ulysses' calculations. So it's probably outside of the Court.
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Post by cazador on Apr 17, 2010 18:30:13 GMT
On a different, I have some speculation on how this power station gets it's power. looking at www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=456, the station appears to get the aether from the water, which may be acting as a sink for ether. This would explain why the court is generally devoid of ether, why the rain originally worked on Zimmy but didn't with the power station.
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Post by Mr Pitchfork on Apr 17, 2010 22:16:11 GMT
Man, Anja says the Court finds the etheric sciences to be useless. Either the Court is holding way out on her or this power station doesn't belong to the Court. Maybe it belongs to the Robots?
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Post by phyzome on Apr 17, 2010 23:24:36 GMT
I thought the bolt went into the Wood, not deeper into the Court.
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Post by Alex on Apr 18, 2010 6:41:39 GMT
I'm starting to get the opinion that only a tiny portion of the Court is actually in any kind of use, and the rest of it is just kind of a living machine or semi-illusory.
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Post by hal9000 on Apr 18, 2010 7:16:03 GMT
I'm starting to get the opinion that only a tiny portion of the Court is actually in any kind of use, and the rest of it is just kind of a living machine or semi-illusory. Perhaps a bit like the megastructure in Biomega/BLAME? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blame!#Setting
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Post by TBeholder on Apr 18, 2010 10:53:44 GMT
This would explain why the court is generally devoid of ether, why the rain originally worked on Zimmy but didn't with the power station. Man, Anja says the Court finds the etheric sciences to be useless. Either the Court is holding way out on her or this power station doesn't belong to the Court. Maybe it belongs to the Robots? Never mind Court-spanning fireworks, ether-sight Anja's has even before she got a blinker. And her ether-tech equipment - which doesn't suffer a surge or tiniest ripple. Or she could want to investigate (i guess when you try to contain someone with Renard's brain in body as strong as Sivo's, reliability suddenly becomes... a very interesting issue). Didn't your consolidated efforts just put an elephant a laser cow in her living room?
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Post by legion on Apr 18, 2010 12:16:17 GMT
I'm starting to get the opinion that only a tiny portion of the Court is actually in any kind of use, and the rest of it is just kind of a living machine or semi-illusory. Perhaps a bit like the megastructure in Biomega/BLAME? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blame!#Setting I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of that
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Post by Mar on Apr 18, 2010 15:08:43 GMT
Um, so any speculation on what those points between the stations on the map are? Assuming the the other stations are as abandoned as this one, maybe they are controls of some sort? Or maybe filters, or monitors.
Or buildings that receive the power the stations generate, if any.
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Post by hal9000 on Apr 18, 2010 20:14:17 GMT
Um, so any speculation on what those points between the stations on the map are? Assuming the the other stations are as abandoned as this one, maybe they are controls of some sort? Or maybe filters, or monitors. Or buildings that receive the power the stations generate, if any. Those could just be light bulbs to indicate link status.
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Post by Mr Pitchfork on Apr 18, 2010 22:54:16 GMT
My first thought was that they were just housekeeping marks for where the arcs of lightning meet.
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Post by cazador on Apr 19, 2010 0:49:59 GMT
I think they act like transformers, to give the either a boost to get from one station to the next.
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