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Post by Ulysses on Feb 19, 2010 17:28:47 GMT
'Deceived' is a word with pretty strong connotations, compared to a word like 'tricked' or 'duped', which seem much more playful. 'Deceived' has a much more sinister connotation. I'm beginning to wonder if Ysengrin loves Coyote quite as much as Coyote believes, or pretends to believe. I'm more inclined to believe that whatever Ysengrin's original reasons for joining Coyote he now feels bound to him, thinking that if he tries to leave or goes against Coyote he'll get his tree-suit licence revoked and will be left with a withered, weakened body. I think Ysengrin is very scared of being weak, as evidenced by his response to Annie by the lake.
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Post by Uncle Putte on Feb 19, 2010 18:18:38 GMT
Hmm. I suspect this may be the true lesson of today's outing with Coyote. Mediation is a matter of understanding, not magic tricks, afterall.
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Post by legion on Feb 19, 2010 18:27:29 GMT
At least, one of two if we count only still running ones. But still. If the world were to end today, I'd regret not seeing more of GC. Other webcomics wouldn't come to mind, amidst personal regrets and unfulfillments. I for one would also regret Digger!
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Post by edzepp on Feb 19, 2010 18:37:31 GMT
Artsy question: Has Annie EVER been drawn in profile before this page?
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Post by Mishmash on Feb 19, 2010 18:53:32 GMT
I have a lot more respect for Ysengrin after this page! I think a lot of readers (much like Annie herself perhaps) do not give him enough credit, thinking of him as a violent animal who blindly follows Coyote. His firguring out of what was going on and straight-forward explanation to Annie sure put me in my place.
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Post by Snes on Feb 19, 2010 19:33:10 GMT
Looks like he's not the total maniac we thought he was. Also, he apparently doesn't love Coyote so much that he's incapable of deducing when he's playing him.
Nice page, Tom.
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Post by idonotlikepeas on Feb 19, 2010 19:53:12 GMT
Obligatory awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
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Post by wynne on Feb 19, 2010 21:30:15 GMT
Am I the only one that wants to ride on Ysengrin so that I can cuddle into his fur? Like seriously... that looks so wonderfully soft and comfortable. I was wondering how Annie could manage to cuddle like that, 'cuz that's probably one very musty wolf. For some reason in my mind he smells like my history textbook, which is a gazillion years old and has mold in the back and a rather sickly, unpleasant smell that won't come off your hands. You know, that mildew smell that you can't breathe without fearing there are mold spores in your lungs. yecgh. Of course, he might just smell like wet dog.
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Post by warrl on Feb 19, 2010 22:18:24 GMT
Annie: "During my next visit, if you are willing, I'd like to ask you about Jeanne."
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Post by TBeholder on Feb 19, 2010 23:18:47 GMT
Just curious: what other webcomic are you thinking of? If the world were to end today, I'd regret not seeing more of GC. Other webcomics wouldn't come to mind, amidst personal regrets and unfulfillments. I'd set "the best" mark at " this one i must follow" level. There are many worthy of following, but there's not much of self-propelled art that's riveting (for me, parodies, gag-of-the-day and suchlike don't cause this, so even things as good as Darths and Droids and xkcd falls off). So guess... Mystery, twists, art evolution - Gunnerkrigg. Dramedy, mindscrew, art evolution - ?.. or teemyuus usyubo. I'm more inclined to believe that whatever Ysengrin's original reasons for joining Coyote he now feels bound to him, thinking that if he tries to leave or goes against Coyote he'll get his tree-suit licence revoked That, or he just can stick with others without assuming they're perfect in every regard and squee-ing over them... I think a lot of readers (much like Annie herself perhaps) do not give him enough credit, thinking of him as a violent animal who blindly follows Coyote. Annie is aware (as are readers who remember this) that Ysengrin is not as dumb and rabid as he sometimes pretends to be, but is ready to use this illusion to his advantage... since that's how her first meeting with him ended. Annie: "During my next visit, if you are willing, I'd like to ask you about Jeanne." On such a speed? No, just no. She should know better...
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Post by Max on Feb 19, 2010 23:34:26 GMT
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Post by optern on Feb 19, 2010 23:58:48 GMT
I think anyone who believed or believes that Ysengrin is purely brutal, or Diego completely sinister, or Annie perfectly reasonable, or Eglamore unquenchably valiant really isn't paying attention to the kind of story Tom is writing here.
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Post by Casey on Feb 20, 2010 4:58:24 GMT
I just wanted to add another accolade on top of the pile for this page... It's beautiful and heart-wrenching and fantastic.
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Post by isabellemoerman on Feb 21, 2010 1:02:04 GMT
Oh, Tom.
What a masterful storyteller you are. Always one step ahead of us. Always rising a step above and beyond what we expect.
Yssi reminds me of my uncle, who is kind of an old, cantankerous sonofabitch. He KNOWS he is a pain and a bother and cantankerous. He also knows we love him because despite his flaws we wouldn't want him any other way.
Coyote is like the relative who mercilessly pranks and teases you, yet there is always that undercurrent of love...
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Post by katybee on Feb 21, 2010 7:43:14 GMT
This page is so sweet, and still a little sad. I feel so horrible for Ysengrin.
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Post by ultrabluesky on Feb 22, 2010 3:02:56 GMT
I am of the opinion that Hayao Miyazaki would come out of retirement to direct the movie version in a few years, and he wouldn't miss a beat.
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Post by Rasselas on Feb 22, 2010 5:13:20 GMT
Very well said, ultrabluesky.
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Post by kunchichi on Feb 22, 2010 18:30:14 GMT
In the second panel, it seems mostly like she's leaning her head against his fur due to the intense wind.
The last panel seems more like... well, perhaps she's putting it back because of the wind and the conversation ending, but the expression on her face and the way she does it almost makes it seems like she's either drawing comfort from him or trying to give him some comforting of her own. Maybe even both.
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Post by wynne on Feb 22, 2010 20:42:08 GMT
I think anyone who believed or believes that Ysengrin is purely brutal, or Diego completely sinister, or Annie perfectly reasonable, or Eglamore unquenchably valiant really isn't paying attention to the kind of story Tom is writing here. Perfectly put.
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Post by evilanagram on Feb 22, 2010 21:43:19 GMT
'Deceived' is a word with pretty strong connotations, compared to a word like 'tricked' or 'duped', which seem much more playful. 'Deceived' has a much more sinister connotation. I'm beginning to wonder if Ysengrin loves Coyote quite as much as Coyote believes, or pretends to believe. I'm more inclined to believe that whatever Ysengrin's original reasons for joining Coyote he now feels bound to him, thinking that if he tries to leave or goes against Coyote he'll get his tree-suit licence revoked and will be left with a withered, weakened body. I think Ysengrin is very scared of being weak, as evidenced by his response to Annie by the lake. I don't see it as indicating that Ysengrin isn't quite as loyal to Coyote as he seems. To me, the word "deceived" simply reflects the way the forest dwellers tend to simply accept things for what they are; to them deception is deception no matter what words you try to use to cover it up. This straightforward paradigm seems to be one of the main differences between the Court and the Forest. And I don't think Ysengrin's loyalty to Coyote is tied up in the tree-suit so much as it is a consequence of his devotion to the forest.
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Post by Snes on Feb 22, 2010 23:45:25 GMT
I think anyone who believed or believes that Ysengrin is purely brutal, or Diego completely sinister, or Annie perfectly reasonable, or Eglamore unquenchably valiant really isn't paying attention to the kind of story Tom is writing here. Perfectly put. Indeed.
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