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Post by chiparoo on Jan 28, 2010 9:37:09 GMT
btw, i'd totally take the chance to ride on Coyote's back! May never be offered again! Indeed! And it's not like Annie's in danger in doing so- Coyote wouldn't drop her. But then, it's a matter of pride.
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Post by rallan on Jan 28, 2010 11:40:55 GMT
This page makes me suspect even more that Eglamore had the right idea when he was uneasy about Annie going into the Woods (and wonder again why Jones - who's no fool, and clearly well-informed about Coyote - thinks it's a good idea for her to do so). Because Eglamore and Jones have very different motives. Eglamore suspects the Woods' denizens are all dangerous and hostile to the Court (even if they're not necessarily baddies per se), and his job is first and foremost to ensure the safety of his students. From his perspective, mucking about with the largely unknown powers of the Woods and potentially breaking the peace between Wood and Court is an unacceptable risk, especially when untrained students are involved. Jones is much more detached though, and it's been hinted at pretty strongly that she suspects there are secrets nobody knows and that she thinks the current Court/Woods relationship isn't entirely satisfactory. Plus she seems more interested in pushing the students and seeing if it brings out their best rather than coddling them, and in Annie's case (she is supposed to be the next medium after all) pushing her is going to involve having her socialize with the beasts of the Woods.
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Post by Rgemini on Jan 28, 2010 11:51:47 GMT
Yssy really loves Coyote. To him, Coyote can never be wrong. Tom seems to have a very good grasp of canine psychology. What Alpha Male says, goes. Ysengrin sees Coyote as his Alpha and cannot behave any other way towards him. It's not love, it's pack behaviour. The interesting thing is that Reynardine does not behave this way - possibly because foxes think differently from dogs. It would be interesting to see what Tom would make of cat behaviour ...
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Post by rallan on Jan 28, 2010 12:02:28 GMT
It seems pretty straightforward to me. He's giving Ysengrin crap, pretending that he (Coyote) didn't know that Annie was in the forest, and acting as if he thinks Ysengrin brought her into the forest. It might also be a way for Coyote to show Annie that Ysengrin's final statement was more than just deference to Coyote. More specifically: Coyote is showing Annie that Ysengrin won't hurt her even if he (Ysengrin) didn't know Coyote was there. "If you were anyone else" takes on a different dimension when viewed with the notion that he meant something other than "if Coyote weren't stopping me". Other theories that I don't think anyone's ran with yet. 1) He doesn't want Annie to get too close to him. She's got important work to do, and Coyote is trying in his own unorthodox way to make sure she's impartial. 2) He wants Annie to empathise more with Ysengrin by showing her the wolf's suffering. He can't just tell her (who'd believe him?) and Ysengrin's hardly going to agree to a deliberate show of weakness, so Coyote has to resort to subterfuge. 3) He's baiting Ysengrin, because he's got some fiendishly cunning plan that involves the wolf flipping out. 4) He just couldn't resist a chance to scare the unflappable Annie and annoy Ysengrin at the same time, because he's a jerk like that and the audience needs the occasional reminder that he's not "nice".
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Post by blue on Jan 28, 2010 13:10:09 GMT
Come on guys, pretty clear that ysengrin is actually coyote. Stand your ground, spankies all around. Nice mini rhyming couplet, blue- but i'm not sure what you mean. Ys is coyote. Dubious! Evidence? Coyote is being terrible and is therefore actually boxbot. (it were a joke)
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Post by lissibith on Jan 28, 2010 13:27:27 GMT
2) He wants Annie to empathise more with Ysengrin by showing her the wolf's suffering. He can't just tell her (who'd believe him?) and Ysengrin's hardly going to agree to a deliberate show of weakness, so Coyote has to resort to subterfuge. I'm personally thinking it's some combination of Casey's and this. I don't think Annie was in any real danger (except maybe from a heart attack, yikes!). Surma seems to have been the last true medium they've had, and it seems like the forest side (at least Coyote) truly liked and, in his way, respected her. I sort of have a feeling that Surma knew that Annie would be received much the same way. I swear, this chapter is making me wonder more and more about Surma. What were her abilities? What did she know?
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Post by Rasselas on Jan 28, 2010 14:32:56 GMT
I think Jones is the kind of gal who doesn't shy away from things that need to be done. The court needs a medium and it's possible that she think that's what's important. She seems like a very rational woman and what is risk compared to the higher well-being of the court? This makes me think that Jones might be the Court's counterpart to Coyote.
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Post by the bandit on Jan 28, 2010 16:10:42 GMT
Coyote wouldn't drop her. Actually, the Coyote I know would have a high probability of dropping her. Probably not intentionally, but he'd laugh all the same as she sat on her rump in the mud. Rallan's #4
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 28, 2010 16:26:02 GMT
Ah, now she faces the real test! Will Annie accept this proposal, right after being reminded who and what Coyote is and understanding this way she may end up on the Moon? ;D This makes me think that Jones might be the Court's counterpart to Coyote. So we returned to the question whether she's a goddess?
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Post by shadrach on Jan 28, 2010 17:45:30 GMT
This makes me think that Jones might be the Court's counterpart to Coyote. I think so too. Recall this strip in which Jones hits Annie's sore spot about her father's seeming abandonment of her: Annie: "Are...are you trying to make me angry?" Jones: "Yes. It helps me assess y o u r character." Coyote, in his own cruel-to-be-kind way, has similarly assessed Annie's character. Either that, or he just did it for the lulz, 'cause that's how tricksters roll, being amoral and all.
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Post by wynne on Jan 28, 2010 18:10:29 GMT
I'm afraid I haven't been around for a while, so I'm not sure if anyone else put this out beforehand, but do you think Annie's here with the intent of asking about Jeanne and/or the division of the Annan Waters, or do you think it's just a social visit?
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Post by Mishmash on Jan 28, 2010 19:47:26 GMT
The former. Consider that she thinks of Mort as her friend and yet we have only seen her visit when she has a purpose (to thank him for the blinker stone, during a class when Jones brought her, to yell at him about the blinker stone).
Of course this doesn't mean Annie never visits Mort socially, but if she does we don't see it. Now, I hardly think Annie considers Coyote to be her friend, and yet she is here. I don't think it is just a social visit, especially after the events of the last chapter!
Also; man Coyote is such a jerk. Interested to see what he is going to do next!
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Post by wynne on Jan 29, 2010 5:05:25 GMT
Yeah, Coyote's kind of like those bullies that elementary school teachers always try to convince you are really insecure on the inside, except he's a lot more sly and definitely not insecure.
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