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Post by Casey on Dec 11, 2009 8:00:18 GMT
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Post by chiparoo on Dec 11, 2009 8:04:46 GMT
Man, Tom just threw a curveball at us. WAY TO INTRODUCE A MILLION QUESTIONS ON ONE PAGE.
Look! Steadman the Archer! Also... Diego is talking to Sir Young? This might trump a few predictions.
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Post by Casey on Dec 11, 2009 8:08:34 GMT
I think that more than trumps a few predictions. I think this is a bit of a game-changer. That curveball curved back on itself and threw us for a full loop, methinks!
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Post by Mezzaphor on Dec 11, 2009 8:10:30 GMT
Is it just me, or does Steadman look a bit like a blond Andrew Smith?
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Post by popo on Dec 11, 2009 8:11:58 GMT
Man Jeanne, why are you worried about the guy in the forest when you have dudes like Steadman around?
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Post by the bandit on Dec 11, 2009 8:12:25 GMT
I think that more than trumps a few predictions. I think this is a bit of a game-changer. That curveball curved back on itself and threw us for a full loop, methinks! Only for those hung up on the Young-as-rival-lover speculation.
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Post by the bandit on Dec 11, 2009 8:13:20 GMT
Methinks the arrow will make the Annan Waters impassable.
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Post by Chrome on Dec 11, 2009 8:15:27 GMT
Thinking the same as the bandit here. It's possibly the Court's scheme to ensure the forest doesn't attempt to cross to their side, or to keep any of their people from crossing over to the forest side.
Remember, Coyote said the Court did something to the water.
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Post by edzepp on Dec 11, 2009 8:15:46 GMT
Is it just me, or does Steadman look a bit like a blond Andrew Smith? Yes, albeit one with 90% less eyebrow.
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Post by the bandit on Dec 11, 2009 8:18:19 GMT
It's either that or Diego's means of killing the traitor from the other side of the waters. Or...this latter but ends up doing the former? In any case, it's obviously too late for me to be up because I am speculating despite myself. Goodnight, everybody.
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Post by Casey on Dec 11, 2009 8:22:37 GMT
Is it just me, or does Steadman look a bit like a blond Andrew Smith? No, I thought his hair made him look kind of like Winsbury. I think that more than trumps a few predictions. I think this is a bit of a game-changer. That curveball curved back on itself and threw us for a full loop, methinks! Only for those hung up on the Young-as-rival-lover speculation. You say that as if that were suddenly some fringe crazy notion. It has stood for months and months as the most likely explanation. Are you suddenly disowning it only now that it's been proved highly unlikely? Methinks the arrow will make the Annan Waters impassable. Yeah, that's exactly what I thought too. Now we just need to figure how Jeanne's ghost figures into this.
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Post by Alex on Dec 11, 2009 8:28:57 GMT
Methinks the arrow will make the Annan Waters impassable. I don't understand why you'd need a bow and arrow to do that. Normally, arrows are for shooting at people.
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Post by sostorm on Dec 11, 2009 8:29:44 GMT
So there are several peculiar things with the arrow. First of all the tip looks a lot like a medieval forkhead arrow. I do not know why one would want to use such an arrow. It does not seem to me as a good way to kill someone, at best hurt someone or decapitate someone very tiny. Neither does it seem to be a very useful arrow to stick to something (the construction seems less likely to burrow in to a tree trunk for example than a normal narrow).
And alongside the tip we have the mechanical construction which I do not at all know what to make of.
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Post by sostorm on Dec 11, 2009 8:33:43 GMT
Also the perspective seems a bit weird to me. The robot is not standing still as before. Is Diego carrying it with him, if so why? I can't see any good reason to why the fixed robot would be present at that time.
Is Diego carrying it on top of the box and then removing it? If so why does it first film the box and then steadman, it was not able to move it's head before...
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Post by roboticelf on Dec 11, 2009 8:34:30 GMT
Only for those hung up on the Young-as-rival-lover speculation. You say that as if that were suddenly some fringe crazy notion. It has stood for months and months as the most likely explanation. Are you suddenly disowning it only now that it's been proved highly unlikely? Mostly because it was put forward a thousand times by people who weren't paying enough attention to notice things like the age difference or the fact that Tom's stories are just not that simple. It's remained popular simply because the only other replacement theory is Ysengrim or Rey. To me, now, the most obvious question is "how long has it been?". Hours? Days? Years? He's wearing different clothes, but there is no other indication of time.
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Post by bisected8 on Dec 11, 2009 8:34:32 GMT
*Speculation*: The arrow will lay the foundation for creating the bridge or assassinating someone (that's the only thing I can think of that would need a projectile, since they can't reach the other side).
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Post by Casey on Dec 11, 2009 8:34:33 GMT
I'm a little disoriented by the point of perspective on these pages, perhaps someone else can offer their theory on this.
It seems to me that in the first panel, Matador-bot is sitting on a shelf, and we see Diego's hands who have just turned him back on (after reassembling him, I imagine.)
Then suddenly there's a group of people. Were they already there? Matador-bot is still on the shelf, and we see Diego's hands. But then suddenly he is looking up at Diego. After that he's looking around on his own, I imagine.
So are these disjointed memories like a film with gaps of time spliced out? Did Diego pick M-bot up and set him on the desk? And where are they, anyway? It's not Diego's workshop, unless they changed the doorframe since the time of the recording.
The blocking of the scene isn't really that weighty of a matter, but I'm just curious about it.
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Post by Casey on Dec 11, 2009 8:36:46 GMT
Mostly because it was put forward a thousand times by people who weren't paying enough attention to notice things like the age difference or the fact that Tom's stories are just not that simple. It's remained popular simply because the only other replacement theory is Ysengrim or Rey. Heh, well, again, those sound like the words of a person who now has the benefit of hindsight. I didn't hear anyone so vociferously decrying the theory -before- it was disproved.
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Post by penguinfactory on Dec 11, 2009 8:38:32 GMT
How does this make the "Diego hates Young" theory unlikely? I thought the theory was that Diego felt Young was to blame for Jeann's death, but if she's still alive at this point Diego has no reason to hate him yet.
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Post by popo on Dec 11, 2009 8:39:02 GMT
I think matador bot is being carried on the box holding the weird arrow, as Diego walks towards the room everyone is gathered in. he looks up at Diego while still on it, and after being removed so that it can be opened, he looks around at what is going on.
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Post by sostorm on Dec 11, 2009 8:41:03 GMT
I think matador bot is being carried on the box holding the weird arrow, as Diego walks towards the room everyone is gathered in. he looks up at Diego while still on it, and after being removed so that it can be opened, he looks around at what is going on. If that is so then he must be not only fixed but improved. As far as I noticed before he could not move his head.
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Post by marcus on Dec 11, 2009 8:44:46 GMT
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Post by Casey on Dec 11, 2009 8:45:01 GMT
I think matador bot is being carried on the box holding the weird arrow, as Diego walks towards the room everyone is gathered in. he looks up at Diego while still on it, and after being removed so that it can be opened, he looks around at what is going on. If that is so then he must be not only fixed but improved. As far as I noticed before he could not move his head. Hmm, ever since the playback started, he's been moving around, zooming in on the humans, looking where he was going as he was climbing the dresser... He appears to be animated and free-thinking.
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Post by eightyfour on Dec 11, 2009 8:45:08 GMT
So there are several peculiar things with the arrow. First of all the tip looks a lot like a medieval forkhead arrow. Weren't arrowheads like that supposed to be used for severing ropes (or sinev, incapacitating/crippling rather than killing)? Any archery/history nerds around? Well spotted! I tend to agree the most likely theory right now is probably that the arrow is a delivery system for whatever they are going to do to the Annan Waters to make them impassable.
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Post by Casey on Dec 11, 2009 8:46:06 GMT
... Marcus, you just won 35 internets. I don't really know what that means, but I heard it somewhere. You win the Most Observant award for the day! If there were such a thing.
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Post by mike on Dec 11, 2009 8:48:42 GMT
Looks a bit like an RPG, to me. Or a rifle grenade, which might be a more appropriate comparison... Dunno if there's such a thing as an arrow grenade.
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Post by Casey on Dec 11, 2009 8:55:11 GMT
I do think it likely that they're about to put "something" into the water... but what do you all think about the fact that whatever it is, Annie swam in it? And what might that mean?
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Post by Tom Siddell on Dec 11, 2009 8:56:09 GMT
Not hugely important but: Diego is carrying the small robot in his pocket. It has always been able to move its head.
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Post by sostorm on Dec 11, 2009 9:03:44 GMT
I'm still stuck on the arrow head. If it's a grenade, why put it on a forkhead arrow? Isn't it more usual that one uses an arrow which sticks to something? The same thing goes for poisoning the water, why use that kind of an arrow.
I do think there is a significance to the arrow head, why would Tom otherwise take the trouble to draw an unusual arrow head?
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Post by Rafita on Dec 11, 2009 9:11:48 GMT
I'm still stuck on the arrow head. If it's a grenade, why put it on a forkhead arrow? Isn't it more usual that one uses an arrow which sticks to something? The same thing goes for poisoning the water, why use that kind of an arrow. I do think there is a significance to the arrow head, why would Tom otherwise take the trouble to draw an unusual arrow head? I think the arrowhead matters. Looks a bit like this: www.arco-iris.com/George/images/whistling_arrow_karimata.jpgAnd BTW, hello everyone
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