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Post by Casey on Dec 9, 2009 15:26:29 GMT
While this is certainly possible that the initial group may have felt that way, Diego at least would have to have a decently-sized group who agrees with him - in 652, Jeanne comments, "We have been busy cutting down all the trees on our side." It's indicated as a collective action. Clearly not everyone in the Court agrees with the action, but it's probably supported by a plurality of the population if it's being done. Ah, that is a good observation. ...unless, of course, by "we", she meant these guys...
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Post by the bandit on Dec 9, 2009 15:27:28 GMT
Jeanne was stuck on this side when Coyote created the divide. How? Why? I would guess that Jeanne was unaware that her love had chosen the Woods. Or that Jeanne really does believe in the Court's vision, even if she rejects some of its excesses. Who says anyone got a choice? (P.S. this is meant to be tongue-in-cheek.) And yet, ironically, matches the crazy stalker profile much more accurately than the idea that he would ever countenance Jeanne as a traitor. The object of an obsessive stalkers's affection is never regarded rationally, and the ultimate end of any action is always to make them love him. Cf. the creation of toys. That's some awesome perspective work there in the first three panels! Indeed. I love how Tom finds a way to explore with his artwork in every chapter in a perfect mesh with the story. I predict that Jeanne's boy is either a shadow man... Ha ha. What?
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Post by almoray on Dec 9, 2009 16:27:05 GMT
For whatever reason, Jeanne has chosen to stay on the court side, or perhaps was trapped there when the divide happened. It's doubtful anyone could keep her there, so, perhaps she made a promise to someone... or she actually went through the test to become a medium when all things went wrong. She's one of their best soldiers, perhaps she was to be diplomatic. Then her side put up the ravine, in a way, leaving a soldier behind enemy lines. It's no wonder she's unhappy though. Her home is across the water where she can sit in a window and look at it, but never go back. While every where around her the court cutting down trees left right and centre? I bet they built up a bunch of buildings just to piss off the forest folk too. Not to mention diego keeps bringing robots and scoffing at the thing she loves most. Remember how crazy massive the court is? www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=149
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Post by Casey on Dec 9, 2009 16:30:24 GMT
Haha! What?
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Post by the bandit on Dec 9, 2009 16:36:06 GMT
Don't bring out the big guns for non-shipper zaniness, Casey. Just smile and nod and wait for it to compound itself.
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Post by Casey on Dec 9, 2009 16:47:15 GMT
*smiles blandly at bandit and nods* Sure thing, mijito.
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Post by bisected8 on Dec 9, 2009 18:05:42 GMT
'Detest' and 'hate' are similar in meaning, so it doesn't make much difference. I don't like to argue semantics (well actually I do, but I try not to ) but this is actually one of those "subtle but important differences" type things. Hatred implies some degree of hostility while if you merely "detest" something you don't like being exposed to it making it a more passive feeling of dislike. I guess you could also argue that "hate" is more common in every day parlence (like "deteste" is in French).
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Post by Aurelia Verity on Dec 9, 2009 18:44:54 GMT
Diego is clearly jealous of the “traitor” whom Jeanne loves, but I don’t think he actively went out of his way to “punish” her by arranging her death. It’s not uncommon for obsessive love to turn into hate in a “reject me will she? Well if she can’t be mine when no one can have her!” type of thing, but it doesn’t fit with Diego building a shrine and a robot theatre in her honor. If he started to hate her after this exchange then he would have been satisfied after her death and there would have been no need for the shrine and the theatre which were built after and clearly in guilt. If Diego did have something to do with Jeanne’s death it was likely an accident. I don’t see him being a CG resident Iago, more like Hamlet, who caused Ophelia’s death in an accidental roundabout way by killing her father (Sorry for the nerdy lit references :S).
In a slightly different note
Jeanne refers to GC as a “jail” so I think it’s pretty certain she’s kept there against her wishes by someone/thing that has influence over her. I also get the impression that we haven’t been introduced to the “traitor” yet. Yissy doesn’t seem like a good possibility as he is too devoted to Coyote and Coyote was the one who caused the divide. If Yisengrin left someone behind at court he would have some resentment for the guy who physically parted the earth to separate them. Also I get the feeling that Chuckles can come to court, he just doesn’t want to. I admit this is a tenuous argument, but I think that both Reynardine and Yisengrin (who were about equal in power) could once move freely between the forest and the GC with nothing stopping them. Rey is mentioned to have a lot of friends in GC but also freely came to Coyote in the forest to ask for the shape shifting power and then went back to CG to find a guy to swap bodies with.
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Post by the bandit on Dec 9, 2009 19:06:02 GMT
Though I agree with you, Aurelia V. (great name, btw), I'm going to point out the possibility of postmortem guilt and regret. Still, I believe that if Diego turns out to have an involvement in her death, it will be an unintended consequence of his actions (even if it's a diabolical plan).
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Post by Ulysses on Dec 9, 2009 21:00:54 GMT
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Post by Jiminiminy on Dec 9, 2009 21:12:55 GMT
I wonder if Diego rebuild the camera-bot or if it was the other robots. Did they self maintain back then too? Can't really say.
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Post by fuzzyone on Dec 10, 2009 3:50:59 GMT
I actually think this page does MORE to confirm Sir Young as the object of Jeanne's affection. One aspect of a Dragon Slayer is that they Ally themselves, apparently, with a Rogat Orjak. To someone who thinks it not only necessary, but prudent to destroy every object of nature lest something etheric slip in through it, Joining forces with a creature like a Rogat Orjak for any reason may be viewed by some as treasonous. Perhaps Diego is one such person. Just imagine! A human Willingly associating with one of those BEASTS. Not making it a servant, but actually BEFRIENDING it! Treating it as equal and trusted confidant. And to make it worse... this horrible man has captured the lovely Jeanne's heart. We don't know, yet, what has happened to Sir Young. We don't know if he yet lives, and is away Training with an Orjak. We don'[t know if he's dead, and that is why Jeanne is sad. All we know is there's someone that Diego's Robots hate, Someone that Diego viewed as a Traitor, and that current robots don't maintain the monument in Young's park, and don't want Sir Eglamore to touch them. Reaching the conclusion that Young is said 'Traitor' isn't very difficult, but is by no means certain.
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Post by Amethyst on Dec 10, 2009 7:49:48 GMT
Oh, dear. I just had a thought. The Seraph robots represent Diego, the bull bot represents Young. In an early chapter, we see a crazed Robot (Seraph: Diego) knocking Annie (Jeanne) over the side of the bridge into the ravine as Eglamore (Bullbot: Sir Young) attempts to save her (or as Diego might like to think: take her from him).
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Post by fuzzyone on Dec 10, 2009 9:40:37 GMT
That, Callidus, is a very excellent analysis. Good eye.
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Post by Casey on Dec 10, 2009 14:15:36 GMT
Agreed... to the degree that it is possible that every significant event in modern GC is history repeating itself. Some people have expressed concern, should there be a direct 1:1 correlation between events of the past and today. I'm not sure what those concerns are because I don't share them, but... where was I going with this?
Speaking of history repeating itself, here's something to note: The robots claim that the Tic Tocs have been around longer than they have, that they predate Diego. Then clearly they must also predate Jeanne. So IF Jeanne died by falling into the ravine, why didn't they save her like they saved Annie?
Possible answers: A) they weren't near the ravine, because there was no bridge to perch on. B) Jeanne died somewhere else but her spirit ended up down there independently. C) The robots are wrong about the Tic Tocs. D) The Tic Tocs are the ones who killed her. E) Fill in your own explanation here!
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Post by cantabile on Dec 10, 2009 18:34:43 GMT
I'm beginning to think Jeanne died trying to reach Sir Young and, because Diego was still hurt about her rejection, he made no attempts to save her.
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Post by the bandit on Dec 10, 2009 18:55:48 GMT
Is that an angel drawing on a fag? No, but that's the first sense my brain made of it.
Some day I will have to write a smoking angel in something. I'll name him/her Cantabile.
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Post by Chrome on Dec 10, 2009 22:10:55 GMT
Wow, Cantabile, I'm really liking that idea. Nice use of the existing information and what-not to put together a spec scenario that actually feels like it fits. Only time will tell if it was the one, but I wouldn't be too surprised if it were.
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Post by Casey on Dec 10, 2009 22:39:07 GMT
Jeanne doesn't strike me as the type to forlornly cast herself into a gaping chasm.
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Post by warrl on Dec 10, 2009 23:50:27 GMT
Agreed... to the degree that it is possible that every significant event in modern GC is history repeating itself. Some people have expressed concern, should there be a direct 1:1 correlation between events of the past and today. I'm not sure what those concerns are because I don't share them, but... where was I going with this? Speaking of history repeating itself, here's something to note: The robots claim that the Tic Tocs have been around longer than they have, that they predate Diego. Then clearly they must also predate Jeanne. So IF Jeanne died by falling into the ravine, why didn't they save her like they saved Annie? Possible answers: A) they weren't near the ravine, because there was no bridge to perch on. B) Jeanne died somewhere else but her spirit ended up down there independently. C) The robots are wrong about the Tic Tocs. D) The Tic Tocs are the ones who killed her. E) E) Adult Jeanne probably outweighed 12-year-old Annie by about 60%. The Tic Tocs aren't strong enough to save her. (One of them broke just with Annie's weight.) F) Fill in thine own explanation here!
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Post by Casey on Dec 11, 2009 0:06:47 GMT
E) Adult Jeanne probably outweighed 12-year-old Annie by about 60%. The Tic Tocs aren't strong enough to save her. (One of them broke just with Annie's weight.) Arrrgh, a fine, fine observation. How could I have overlooked that?
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Post by TBeholder on Dec 11, 2009 2:11:20 GMT
Anyway, this does help us narrow down who "he" could be. It would be someone originally from the Court, so their siding with the Wood seemed like a betrayal. Given the momentary level of nuttiness mentioned before, i'd say that "siding with the Wood" seems to be unnecessary for such an accusation. At this point failure to emit audial signs of delirium at half or more of the average volume tend to be enough. I think it's an interesting idea though; Diego does seem obsessed with making his devices, and I could easily see his seriously offending Coyote with his manner. How? However, Coyote seriously offending Diego in an outrageous way somehow tied with this issue is much more vivid mental picture. I'm beginning to think Jeanne died trying to reach Sir Young and, because Diego was still hurt about her rejection, he made no attempts to save her. Yes, but wouldn't this be too straightforward for GKC?
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Post by Mezzaphor on Dec 11, 2009 8:07:44 GMT
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Post by Mr Pitchfork on Dec 11, 2009 17:31:00 GMT
Nifty find!
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Post by atom on Dec 12, 2009 4:07:41 GMT
If you look at her dress & that of the other characters, it appears that these series of comics are taking place around the turn of the 18th century.
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