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Post by warrl on Nov 25, 2009 19:49:31 GMT
Yes. (clearly that page needs to be updated (partly my job ) Edit suggestions for page: 4th paragraph ("On the character page...") take out "but that name has yet to appear in-comic". Consider replacing it with a link to their first appearance, and suitable text. 5th paragraph ("Their components..") add ", according to one report from a source known to be unreliable." (link to Ysengrim page, which I hope contains the fact that Ysengrim is known to have lied about when he found the dead tictoc.)
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Post by wanderer on Nov 25, 2009 21:40:22 GMT
What chiparoo said, provided you change orni to ornitho. Actually it's a pet peeve of mine when people split "ornithopter" into "orni" and "thopter" (Magic: the Gathering grumble grumble). Ornithoid! ;D
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Post by centzontotochtin on Nov 25, 2009 22:08:34 GMT
Since Zimmy seems to hate the tic-tocs, and they were created by a "divine" being, could the birds be related to Money Spider somehow?
As in, they were made by Money Spider or some similar type of being, or perhaps someone acting as a servant of said being.
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Post by rageboy on Nov 25, 2009 22:20:30 GMT
Edit suggestions for page: (words) The great things about wikis are that you can change them too! Edit: The page currently reads as follows: There's more links than just A and B but the point is, I applied suggestion 1 for linkA. Technically "tic toc" and "TicToc" didn't appear, but close enough. linkB goes here. I don't think we need to link to the Ysengrin page for that, personally. I especially don't think anything should be mentioned about the source being unreliable. I'd guess Ysengrin didn't lie about it "growing," even though he did lie about who "planted" it. Feel free to make changes or use the article's talk page for more comments though.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 25, 2009 22:50:41 GMT
Man, I had no idea that there was speculation that Anthony made the tic-tocs. We really dont know anything about that guy. Like, we dont even know if he swayed court-side or wood-side. He's never spoken in the comic, ever. I mean, I'm really excited and looking forward to hearing more about this mysterious Mr. Carver, but. I just think it's a really odd guess to make. I brought it up as a possibility back in March of 2008 in the Tictoc thread here. It wasn't exactly Wild Speculation but I did think it was interesting to point out that from the characters introduced in the story so far Anthony was the most likely suspect. I don't have time at the moment to revisit the reasons why but I think the page I linked to sums up what I meant. Bear in mind that was long before we'd ever heard of Diego (or lots of other people) but it's still an interesting theory.
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Post by spoonvonstup on Nov 25, 2009 23:12:44 GMT
So on the banner we have the tictoc, what appears to be an upside-down Venus symbol but probably isn't, an infinity symbol, a gold symbol and the by now quintessential bismuth symbol. Hmm./ I'm sorry, I normally never do these things but.. Quintessence is literally the "fifth element." It is the substance that alchemists desperately try to make, the illusive fifth "thing" that binds the universe together. Finding it would give an alchemists ultimate power (and/or save your soul and reach God/ultimate spiritual enlightenment.... depending on whether or not your speaking to an Italian scholar). And then you went and called Bismuth quintessence, and it actually is the fifth "element" you named. Thank you for making my morning fabulous.
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Post by basser on Nov 25, 2009 23:47:19 GMT
So on the banner we have the tictoc, what appears to be an upside-down Venus symbol but probably isn't, an infinity symbol, a gold symbol and the by now quintessential bismuth symbol. Hmm./ I'm sorry, I normally never do these things but.. Quintessence is literally the "fifth element." It is the substance that alchemists desperately try to make, the illusive fifth "thing" that binds the universe together. Finding it would give an alchemists ultimate power (and/or save your soul and reach God/ultimate spiritual enlightenment.... depending on whether or not your speaking to an Italian scholar). And then you went and called Bismuth quintessence, and it actually is the fifth "element" you named. Thank you for making my morning fabulous. And here I thought he'd just meant to say 'ubiquitous' and came up with the wrong word.
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Post by fuzzyone on Nov 26, 2009 1:44:41 GMT
There is a point of credibility to the growth of the TicTocs. It is apparent that the subject thrown down by Ysengrin was much larger than when Ys buried it. It DOES appear to grow when buried. Visible here, you can see a large umbilical cable not present here. Other wires and cables can be explained as having been exposed after the exterior had been worn away somehow, but that cable is too large to have been contained by the Tictoc's body. We don't know that the damage is as extensive as the picture showed... but it IS clear that the buried tictoc had, somehow, expanded after being put in the ground.
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Post by Yin on Nov 26, 2009 2:53:38 GMT
I'm sorry, I normally never do these things but.. Quintessence is literally the "fifth element." It is the substance that alchemists desperately try to make, the illusive fifth "thing" that binds the universe together. Finding it would give an alchemists ultimate power (and/or save your soul and reach God/ultimate spiritual enlightenment.... depending on whether or not your speaking to an Italian scholar). And then you went and called Bismuth quintessence, and it actually is the fifth "element" you named. Thank you for making my morning fabulous. And here I thought he'd just meant to say 'ubiquitous' and came up with the wrong word. You're welcome for that, but basser happens to be right; I did mean ubiquitous. Also, as per my username, I'm female.
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Post by Casey on Nov 26, 2009 5:39:44 GMT
So on the banner we have the tictoc, what appears to be an upside-down Venus symbol but probably isn't, an infinity symbol, a gold symbol and the by now quintessential bismuth symbol. Hmm./ I'm sorry, I normally never do these things but.. Quintessence is literally the "fifth element." It is the substance that alchemists desperately try to make, the illusive fifth "thing" that binds the universe together. Finding it would give an alchemists ultimate power (and/or save your soul and reach God/ultimate spiritual enlightenment.... depending on whether or not your speaking to an Italian scholar). And then you went and called Bismuth quintessence, and it actually is the fifth "element" you named. Thank you for making my morning fabulous. The fifth element is actually ether. Hence its use, I would presume, to describe "magic", in a comic that has a lot of its mythology based in alchemy.
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Post by spoonvonstup on Nov 26, 2009 6:31:59 GMT
I'm sorry, I normally never do these things but.. Quintessence is literally the "fifth element." It is the substance that alchemists desperately try to make, the illusive fifth "thing" that binds the universe together. Finding it would give an alchemists ultimate power (and/or save your soul and reach God/ultimate spiritual enlightenment.... depending on whether or not your speaking to an Italian scholar). And then you went and called Bismuth quintessence, and it actually is the fifth "element" you named. Thank you for making my morning fabulous. The fifth element is actually ether. Hence its use, I would presume, to describe "magic", in a comic that has a lot of its mythology based in alchemy. Yes, and by "ether" we mean the material that fills the space between the terrestrial sphere (oh, classical science and your spheres) and the rest of the universe. But that's neither really here nor there; the surprisingly appropriate (though mistaken!) use of quintessence has still made my Thanksgiving even better.
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Post by judgedeadd on Nov 26, 2009 6:42:47 GMT
There's a possibility that Ysengrin was lying, and the ignorance of both parties legitimized the lie. Basically, Ysengrin is a being of the forest and isn't too knowledgeable of technology. He may have thought that electronic devices grow, much like vegetation, when planted in the ground. During the meeting he claimed this happened to the Tic-Toc, thinking it would be a believable story.
On the other hand, the Court itself has no idea what Tic-Tocs are or how they work. When they heard about one of them planting itself, they believed it (they've seen stranger) and assumed this is how Tic-Tocs behave.
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Post by Casey on Nov 26, 2009 6:50:56 GMT
Basically, Ysengrin is a being of the forest and isn't too knowledgeable of technology. He may have thought that electronic devices grow, much like vegetation, when planted in the ground. During the meeting he claimed this happened to the Tic-Toc, thinking it would be a believable story. I'd like to point out that probably one of the most dangerous mistakes the staff of the Court could make would be to underestimate the worldliness of the denizens of the Forest, or to presume that they are unsophisticated beasts. In fact, I think Jones directly addressed this potential oversight on this page.
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Post by Snes on Nov 26, 2009 15:16:00 GMT
You know, maybe it's just me, but I kind of like the name "Tic-Tocs" as a fan nickname rather than what they're called in-universe. For one thing, the name seems kind of childish. While it works if you're just casually talking about them like we do here, it seems that a being the robots hold in such reverence would be called something more profound rather than naming it after the very common sound it makes.
Another thing is it takes a bit of the suspense out of it. Before it was "we don't know what they are, who made them, or even what they're called!" But it turns out we were calling them the right name all along. Just a bit of a let down.
Or maybe this is all just me.
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Post by Ulysses on Nov 26, 2009 17:48:59 GMT
Well given that we got the name from Tom it shouldn't be that surprising that they are actually called that. It's just that is been long enough since the name was introduced for a lot of us to forget where it came from, or have entered the fandom after it's introduction.
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Post by nikita on Nov 26, 2009 21:01:23 GMT
We should keep in mind, also when discussing other things, that the court robots are not exactly the smartest guys. When they say something, there's always a chance that they just don't know it better.
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Nov 26, 2009 21:13:29 GMT
Another thing is it takes a bit of the suspense out of it. Before it was "we don't know what they are, who made them, or even what they're called!" But it turns out we were calling them the right name all along. Just a bit of a let down. We still have "The Thousand Eyes" as an alternative to use, if we feel like it. That the robots call them "Tic Tocs" doesn't make it their authoritative name any more than Gamma calling them "The Thousand Eyes" made that their ultimate name.
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Post by tyler on Nov 26, 2009 23:37:09 GMT
We should keep in mind, also when discussing other things, that the court robots are not exactly the smartest guys. When they say something, there's always a chance that they just don't know it better. I'm going to underline and boldface that. A lot of the Court robots are pretty dumb.Getting information out of them can be helpful, but it's sometimes about as useful as asking a child. Sometimes they'll say "I don't know," but lots of kids will feel free to make up the answer or take their best ill-informed guess without letting you know that's what they're doing.
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Post by todd on Nov 27, 2009 0:07:50 GMT
You know, maybe it's just me, but I kind of like the name "Tic-Tocs" as a fan nickname rather than what they're called in-universe. For one thing, the name seems kind of childish. I have similar thoughts about calling Zimmy's nightmare city "Zimmingham". Though it does fit the robots' character to have them call the birds that.
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Post by Ulysses on Nov 27, 2009 1:00:25 GMT
The difference between Zimmingham and Tic Tocs is that, as far as I know, the name 'Zimmingham' was entirely a fan construct, whereas 'Tic Toc' is a name we got from Tom himself. This is the first time I can find them being referred to by that name (Comments).
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Post by chiparoo on Nov 27, 2009 5:51:27 GMT
I am always greatly amused by the fan-constructed nickname we give things. Like Adminbot and Kingbot! Or the Dogwoods, and Red and Blue. Particularly watching them evolve as we know more about them, as what just happened with Fanfarebot/Hornbot XD The name 'Zimmingham' is awesome. I dont think it's childish, I think it's creative.
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 27, 2009 10:56:30 GMT
Man, that was the expression on my face when I walked through the Sistine chapel. <g> That's one analogy. Ornithology is the study of birds. "Ornithonic" appears to be a spin of "Orni" (birds) and "Robotics." it not -tics. Ornitho- + rather common -onics (electronics, ionics) Or avionics - which would be funnier, because "avian" is a birdy word already. Hmmm, i see why Kat's head spins. ;D He's good at it. He's a wordsmith. He adds twistiness there too. ;D Just wanted to pop in to note that admin-bot is da bomb. Tom somehow managed to give him puzzled mildly dumbfounded expression without giving him any expression at all. You're welcome for that, but basser happens to be right; I did mean ubiquitous. Intuitive sniping?
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Post by wanderer on Nov 28, 2009 5:25:30 GMT
You know, maybe it's just me, but I kind of like the name "Tic-Tocs" as a fan nickname rather than what they're called in-universe. For one thing, the name seems kind of childish. I have similar thoughts about calling Zimmy's nightmare city "Zimmingham". I've always gone with "sunny Birmingham" as that's the only name I ever recall Tom giving it.
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