Pig_catapult
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Post by Pig_catapult on Oct 30, 2009 22:28:42 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks that Kat looks like Kari Byron (from Mythbusters) in that pic?
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Post by digikitty on Oct 30, 2009 23:44:50 GMT
even without knowing just when it takes place, we know its not a flashback because the corners of the frames aren't rounded, which indicated that the comic is happening in flashback.
So this chapter is present time, and I am guessing, some time after Residential.
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Post by Jiminiminy on Oct 30, 2009 23:50:18 GMT
Ties wasn't entirely with the rounded panels, only the first few. And seeing as the comic is essentially a super-flashback by Annie ( "Unaware that I would not hear from [my father] for over two years") this could be anything happening. Like it being the present time from Annie's narration. (If this happens I will win) OR Kat just looks a little different and that's fine too.
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Post by todd on Oct 30, 2009 23:58:29 GMT
I think that the "Tom's drawing style is changing" is the most likely possibility (the same as with Eglamore's appearance in Chapter Seventeen, and so many readers were convinced it wasn't him as a result).
(Incidentally, the last time Annie provided any narration for the present-day part of the comic was in Chapter Fifteen - apart from the generic captions of the "a few hours later" that don't come with her distinctive voice. I wonder if Tom's abandoned the notion - especially since much of the webcomic is now being seen through the eyes of other characters - Chapter Eighteen was from Kat's perspective, Chapter Twenty-two from the perspective of Surma and her peers, and so far, this chapter seems to be from the robots' point of view and Annie hasn't even appeared yet - which would seem strange if the whole story's being told by her.)
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Post by yazzydream on Oct 31, 2009 1:47:26 GMT
Well, I'm thinking it might be possible that the current time is actually much more later. And this is a flashback that happens before the current timeline.
I mean this is all speculation, but I think the backgrounds are making that pretty ambiguous.
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Post by nikita on Oct 31, 2009 2:15:50 GMT
Ties wasn't entirely with the rounded panels, only the first few. Round corners only appear at the top of the first page of a flashback and on the bottom of the last page of a flashback. It could be a flashback depending on how you interpret the missing rounded corners on the last page of Ties, but I doubt it. Kat looks different because nose and hair are drawn in more detail.
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Post by Casey on Oct 31, 2009 2:16:53 GMT
I feel like I missed something in the conversation. Flashback? What flashback?
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Oct 31, 2009 2:48:01 GMT
"I think someone might have a crush... " Haha! Oh Tom, Robots don't have feelings
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Post by Jiminiminy on Oct 31, 2009 3:08:31 GMT
I feel like I missed something in the conversation. Flashback? What flashback? Someone suggested that this was a flashback, this is us getting progressively off topic. Remember the laser discussion? Remember?
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Post by tyler on Oct 31, 2009 4:00:08 GMT
/petition Useless Speculation Thread, please?
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thor
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Post by thor on Oct 31, 2009 10:10:01 GMT
It seems strange that Robot would think of Kat as an angel, considering that he has better claim over that title. In case we've forgotten, Robot is S13, with the S standing for Seraph.
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Post by todd on Oct 31, 2009 11:14:39 GMT
I wonder whether the moral from this is "If you're drawing a webcomic, don't let your artistic style change - at least, not if you've got a lot of readers prone to wild speculations".
I think that Aris and nikita are right about Kat looking different simply because Tom's drawing style is different.
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Post by Taslin on Oct 31, 2009 15:39:05 GMT
It could be just evolving style, I suppose, but when I first saw the panel I assumed that we were seeing Kat through Robot's eyes. Therefore, she looks so beautiful and mature partly because that's how Robot sees her.
But then, what do I know? I'm a forum noob.
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Post by Casey on Oct 31, 2009 16:05:13 GMT
You know, I hate being the voice of dissent (right) but Kat doesn't look that radically different to me. Other than her hair being done a different way. Maybe you guys are seeing things? I went back to look for a recent picture of Kat from the same angle, and she doesn't look that different to me. Current Page, Panel 7Recent Page, Panel 2If anyone can quantify what is so different, maybe I just am not seeing it. But what happened to the "just enjoy the comic" sentiment I recommended earlier in the week? Obviously I'm not a successful webcomic artist, but if I were, I think it would grate on me after a while to have people hyperanalyze every image so much. I dunno.
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Post by Per on Oct 31, 2009 16:35:41 GMT
If I didn't know anything about the comic, I could easily believe we're looking at a girl at the ages of 8 and 18, respectively.
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Post by KMar on Oct 31, 2009 17:26:08 GMT
You know, If anyone can quantify what is so different, maybe I just am not seeing it. New hairstyle. Because the hair doesn't "surround" her face, her head looks smaller when compared to the rest of body -> she looks older. See the difference? First post here btw, hello everybody. EDIT: Forget it, she really looks like (at least) one or two years older.
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Post by Seth Thresher on Oct 31, 2009 19:01:52 GMT
It's not a flashback. It didn't have the round edges.
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Post by tyler on Oct 31, 2009 19:08:56 GMT
Jones transported Kat backwards through time to replace herself because she accidentally died!
/facepalm
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Post by Casey on Oct 31, 2009 20:13:53 GMT
Per, no one questions the fact that Tom's art has changed since the beginning. The question was whether Kat looked significantly older since the last chapter. And to that, I'm saying she doesn't. I mean if there's anyone who is only now noticing that the art style has changed since chapter 1, I mean come on.
Claus, welcome. I realize it's a different hairstyle. I said so in my post. I hope that the people who said Kat looks older are basing that on something other than just the hairstyle change though. At my age, a hairstyle change isn't enough to fool me into thinking a girl is a different age.
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Post by todd on Oct 31, 2009 22:16:27 GMT
The hairstyle change could be one of the reasons. I remember a lot of people thinking that Annie looked older on one of the pages in Chapter Seventeen, where she had her hair caught back as she was pulling her sweater on; I suspect that the "hair pulled back" was a major reason for it.
Maybe Tom just used a different way to draw Kat on this page than he did on previous pages (I remember his explaining in Chapter Seventeen that that was why Eglamore seemed different to many of the readers, who insisted that it was someone else).
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Post by Casey on Oct 31, 2009 22:22:19 GMT
Actually after looking at the pictures a while I did notice one detail. The same thing, actually, that caused people to start saying Annie looked older in Residential: This is the first time (that I was able to find, and not including profile shots) that the bridge of Kat's nose is shown.
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Post by judgedeadd on Oct 31, 2009 22:25:18 GMT
indeed, and if you Photoshop the bridge out there's a big difference. EDIT: Oh wait, according to the Adobe Trademark Guidelines, my post should look like the following: indeed, and if you enhance the image using Adobe® Photoshop® software to remove the bridge there's a big difference. "Adobe", "Photoshop" and your soul are property of Adobe Corporation.
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Post by Robo Alchemist on Oct 31, 2009 22:38:05 GMT
how would they own your soul? they're not that bureaucratically evil...right?
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Post by todd on Oct 31, 2009 23:00:44 GMT
I wonder how long it will be before Tom either specifically states in the footnotes that it's been only a few weeks after the Recreational and that Kat only looks older because he's trying out a new way of drawing the comic, or else does a variant of the page (or one of the succeeding pages) with an "explaining everything in painstaking detail" tone (like the variant he did for one of the flashback pages in Chapter Eighteen or the Chapter Twenty-two variant in which Surma's spelling out that she's speeking to Anja in an extremely artificial style).
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Post by TBeholder on Oct 31, 2009 23:20:42 GMT
how would they own your soul? they're not that bureaucratically evil...right? Don't they partake of the "strange meat" served by BSA? I wonder how long it will be before Tom either specifically states in the footnotes that it's been only a few weeks after the Recreational and that Kat only looks older because he's trying out a new way of drawing the comic, or else does a variant of the page (or one of the succeeding pages) with an "explaining everything in painstaking detail" tone Or "it's a joke, the tree isn't mr. Eglamore". I'd bet on the second one, but since it's what we're bound to expect... damn, i'm in that meta-recursion trap again. ;D
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Post by chiparoo on Nov 1, 2009 1:52:48 GMT
I adore that Robot calls Kat a "beautiful angel" and in the next panel there's Kat in pigtails and overalls probably covered in oil and dirt. Reminds me of Kaylee from Firefly!
As for the art- Tom's skills as an artist are definitely improving, and he's adjusting how his characters look because of his improvement of skill. I think they look much, much better, although in truth I would keep reading even if his art /wasn't/ getting steadily more amazing. It's what happens when you draw the same people many times over each week for years at a time. Practice makes perfect, and evolution is unavoidable (and desired.)
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Post by Mylian on Nov 1, 2009 2:57:51 GMT
I like the drift in the art style. If you read the whole thing through, it heightens the Supposedly Intended Flashback effect of earlier chapters.
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Post by judgedeadd on Nov 1, 2009 7:51:01 GMT
What? Where was that?
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 1, 2009 7:58:57 GMT
I adore that Robot calls Kat a "beautiful angel" and in the next panel there's Kat in pigtails and overalls probably covered in oil and dirt. Well, for robots it's what stands for a white coat, right?
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Post by todd on Nov 1, 2009 11:21:36 GMT
There was a scene in Chapter Twenty-two when many of the readers were confused about a conversation between Surma and Anja, since "Anja" looked so much like "Annie" and Tom had apparently drawn the speech balloons in such a way that the bewildered readers weren't certain who was speaking to whom. Tom apparently (I haven't seen the variant page and only know about it through other people talking about it in the forum) temporarily redid the page in which Surma was spelling out that she was speaking to Anja in a "stating things that both characters clearly know in a forced exposition" style.
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