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Post by Casey on Sept 15, 2009 14:25:52 GMT
I think most of the ex-fairy speculation is based on the fact that she has unnaturally green skin and green hair. If anyone has an alternative theory, feel free to present it. But don't call other people's theories completely unfounded. Clearly the people who made that theory felt there was sufficient foundation for the theory in her coloration alone. You're free to disagree on whether the evidence is sufficient for their conclusion, but don't say that there isn't any evidence. That is, unless your color is out of whack on your monitor and you didn't know she had greenish skin and green hair. In that case, you would be forgiven.
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Post by mjh on Sept 15, 2009 15:26:38 GMT
I think most of the ex-fairy speculation is based on the fact that she has unnaturally green skin and green hair. Marcia certainly has a pale complexion but her skin isn’t green. On the page where we’ve first seen her, her skin color is roughly 98% red, 91% green, and 89% blue (and on the following pages it’s quite similar). That’s a very light red, i.e. a pale complexion. It’s just that different people in GC have different complexions; Kat’s skin is darker than Annie’s, which on the other hand isn’t as pale as Janet’s – and so on. Now the regional fairies we’ve seen didn’t have particularly green skin or green hair, so green skin or hair doesn’t provide much support for the ex-fairy theory in any case. Also, the discussion had since moved on from ex-fairy to ex-dryad, and I think the “unfounded” verdict applied to the latter theory. Something like “my tree” is just the expression one would expect from someone who is very much into gardening (which we can assume she is, being a gardener’s wife and everything), so there’s no need to assume anything else. “Ex-dryad” might still be true, but without any further support I don’t see how it could survive Occam’s razor.
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Post by Casey on Sept 15, 2009 15:49:48 GMT
Perhaps it would be clearer, rather than saying "Green = ex-fairy", to instead say "Green = not naturally human". So either Marcia is a grandma who dyes her hair green for kicks (possible, not probable), or, she's of an origin other than human. Given that former fairies are the only introduced possibility for a female to have inhuman coloration, Occam's Razor would in fact insist that we conclude she's an ex-fairy. Or an old lady with a punk hair fetish. Whichever seems more simple an answer to you.
Incidentally, from a technical standpoint, I'm interested in how you concluded the percentages in her coloration. Do you have a program that does that? That seems like a cool thing to have.
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Post by the bandit on Sept 15, 2009 16:55:19 GMT
I semi-expect Winsbury to kick the lady on the shin next strip. Or throw her some mud. Or if he's more subtle than that, wait until night and put spiders in her bed or something. Or maybe he'll just take advantage of the opportunity made by everyone else in their tents and Janet cleaning up the archery equipment alone.
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Post by pepoluan on Sept 15, 2009 20:07:01 GMT
Perhaps it would be clearer, rather than saying "Green = ex-fairy", to instead say "Green = not naturally human". So either Marcia is a grandma who dyes her hair green for kicks (possible, not probable), or, she's of an origin other than human. Given that former fairies are the only introduced possibility for a female to have inhuman coloration, Occam's Razor would in fact insist that we conclude she's an ex-fairy. Or an old lady with a punk hair fetish. Whichever seems more simple an answer to you. Incidentally, from a technical standpoint, I'm interested in how you concluded the percentages in her coloration. Do you have a program that does that? That seems like a cool thing to have. rgb(98%, 91%, 88%) according to ColorZilla, with slight variations as you move your mouse around in her face.
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Post by warrl on Sept 15, 2009 21:03:45 GMT
I semi-expect Winsbury to kick the lady on the shin next strip. Or throw her some mud. Or if he's more subtle than that, wait until night and put spiders in her bed or something. (courtesy of icanhascheezburger.com )
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Post by zingbat on Sept 15, 2009 21:48:27 GMT
Occam's Razor would in fact insist that we conclude she's an ex-fairy. But Marcia doesn't have the pointy ears and gray, pupil-less eyes that are common to all the ex-fairies we've encountered. I think Occam actually says we should conclude she's *not* an ex-fairy. What she actually is, who knows, but there are plenty of other mystical-but-not-fairy creatures running around.
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Post by Casey on Sept 15, 2009 22:16:14 GMT
You have a good point about the pointy ears. I don't know if I ever really grasped that before. But still, unless I'm mistaken, the only female humanoids we've seen in the Court with non-human colorations are ex-fairies. There aren't any humans with "anime hair", so strange hair colors are not a normal part of the Gunnerverse... except for ex-fairies.
Maybe she just likes plants so much that she dyes her hair with chlorophyll? Really, I'm looking for any rational answer to her coloration -other- than her being an ex-fairy, and I'm having a hard time finding any.
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Post by Mylian on Sept 16, 2009 0:20:50 GMT
Maybe ghosts can't be hurt with lasers! A problem that cannot be solved by lasers? BLASPHEMY! Clearly the good Judge does not recall Ghostbusters.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Sept 16, 2009 3:50:40 GMT
You have a good point about the pointy ears. I don't know if I ever really grasped that before. But still, unless I'm mistaken, the only female humanoids we've seen in the Court with non-human colorations are ex-fairies. There aren't any humans with "anime hair", so strange hair colors are not a normal part of the Gunnerverse... except for ex-fairies. Well, the only girls of non-human origins we've seen at all have been ex-fairies, Valkyries, or Zimmy. We're told that many types of forest creatures can become human, but other than the ex-fairies, we have yet to see a human who's confirmed to have such a forest origin. With no other points of comparison, we can't definitively say whether or not Marcia is one of the non-fairy forest folks. As for strange hair colors, our protagonist is drawn with pink hair, this color. Though from context ( "Hey you! Carrot top!") it's apparently an artistic stand-in for a more normal shade of red hair. So I guess it's possible that something similar is going on with Marcia's hair. But I prefer the dryad theory, just because I think it would be cool.
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Post by Casey on Sept 16, 2009 5:49:38 GMT
Let's just agree that she looks a little non-human. I'm not really interested in making the distinction between fairy, dryad, or what-not. But her hair color is definitely unusual, and I think that surely it must be an indicator of -something-. Beyond that, though... feel free to speculate.
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Post by omegax123 on Sept 16, 2009 20:20:42 GMT
As for strange hair colors, our protagonist is drawn with pink hair, this color. Though from context ( "Hey you! Carrot top!") it's apparently an artistic stand-in for a more normal shade of red hair. So I guess it's possible that something similar is going on with Marcia's hair. Annie's hair looks red in context, even if it is a different colour. Marcia's just looks green, you'd think if it was an 'artistic stand-in' there'd be some *Optical Illusion* action (attempted GKC-esque non-sound onomatopoeia, not emphasis) and it'd look like... whatever colour it's supposed to represent.
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Post by TBeholder on Sept 17, 2009 3:41:47 GMT
I think most of the ex-fairy speculation is based on the fact that she has unnaturally green skin and green hair. You forgot her perverted sense of humor, which also fits well.
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