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Post by pyradonis on May 18, 2019 14:59:59 GMT
I went on an archive binge for this thread. I made the following discovery: Shadow 2 startles a spider (complete with a tiny speech bubble containing only an exclamation mark) when communicating for the first time with Annie. What makes this more interesting is the fact, that spiders seem to be the only regular (not test subject) animals we have ever seen or heard of in the Court (although there must be something the spiders eat). It occasionally popped up in dialogue as well. There are no rats in the Court, only plenty of spiders. pyradonis , it appears you discovered something twice. Which happens to the best of us, don't get me wrong. D'oh...Actually, when I made the second post, I was not sure if I had posted this discovery before. I thought I had looked through my own posts to make sure. Apparently you are better at finding my own posts than I am!
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Post by jda on May 18, 2019 20:46:04 GMT
I went on an archive binge for this thread. I made the following discovery: Shadow 2 startles a spider (complete with a tiny speech bubble containing only an exclamation mark) when communicating for the first time with Annie. What makes this more interesting is the fact, that spiders seem to be the only regular (not test subject) animals we have ever seen or heard of in the Court (although there must be something the spiders eat). It occasionally popped up in dialogue as well. There are no rats in the Court, only plenty of spiders. pyradonis , it appears you discovered something twice. Which happens to the best of us, don't get me wrong. Double discoveries are the best kind of discoveries!
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Post by netherdan on May 19, 2019 15:11:37 GMT
I went on an archive binge for this thread. I made the following discovery: pyradonis , it appears you discovered something twice. Which happens to the best of us, don't get me wrong. D'oh...Actually, when I made the second post, I was not sure if I had posted this discovery before. I thought I had looked through my own posts to make sure. Apparently you are better at finding my own posts than I am! Are you sure you're not a Coyote?
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Post by pyradonis on May 20, 2019 22:45:51 GMT
D'oh...Actually, when I made the second post, I was not sure if I had posted this discovery before. I thought I had looked through my own posts to make sure. Apparently you are better at finding my own posts than I am! Are you sure you're not a Coyote? Then I might regularly forget my discovery on purpose to feel the joy of discovering it anew. Hm. Now I imagine Coyote would take a sneaky look at his birthday presents, because he is too curious, and then forget what it is on purpose, so he can be again genuinely surprised on his birthday. And then on the last page he would tell us: And then I remembered I actually acquired these presents for myself! Because only the great Coyote can suprise the great Coyote himself two times!Does that sound like him? It might.
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Post by Druplesnubb on May 24, 2019 10:33:30 GMT
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Post by MarineMonarch on May 27, 2019 19:49:57 GMT
More like cool things I only noticed because someone pointed it out on tumblr years ago, but during the Torn Sea, the ship during the zimmyham segments has uniquely shaped speech bubbles - they're blocky and jagged, with rounded edges, somewhat halfway between the round bubbles of organic creatures and the angular bubbles from robots. This page shows all three types.
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Post by saardvark on May 28, 2019 8:58:53 GMT
More like cool things I only noticed because someone pointed it out on tumblr years ago, but during the Torn Sea, the ship during the zimmyham segments has uniquely shaped speech bubbles - they're blocky and jagged, with rounded edges, somewhat halfway between the round bubbles of organic creatures and the angular bubbles from robots. This page shows all three types. Interestingly(?) Robot's bubbles now that he has more organic bits (like the ship) have NOT moved in this direction... www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2137Might be the Zimmingham influence on the proceedings....
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Post by Eily on May 28, 2019 9:15:31 GMT
Robot's bubbles now that he has more organic bits (like the ship) have NOT moved in this direction... His body is more organic, but his head and mouth are still very much metallic. So much so that smiling makes it ping. This makes me wonder though, don't his biological part need feeding? Where does the extract material it needs to grow (Kat explained it does so like normal muscle) come from? His body might use some extra energy to extract carbon from the air the same way photosynthesis would do, but that would be exhausting and Robot would constantly have to go back to an energy supply for a charge.
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Post by saardvark on May 28, 2019 10:48:21 GMT
Robot's bubbles now that he has more organic bits (like the ship) have NOT moved in this direction... His body is more organic, but his head and mouth are still very much metallic. So much so that smiling makes it ping. This makes me wonder though, don't his biological part need feeding? Where does the extract material it needs to grow (Kat explained it does so like normal muscle) come from? His body might use some extra energy to extract carbon from the air the same way photosynthesis would do, but that would be exhausting and Robot would constantly have to go back to an energy supply for a charge. Hmm, he has a normal (??, if gray) muscular body below his head... he may be mostly organic from the neck down now.
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Post by Eily on May 28, 2019 12:42:12 GMT
Yes, I was saying that while it would have been surprising for him to still have a robotic voice if he was 100% organic, but it's obviously not the case, so it's not that hard to imagine that the voice making bits are still well ... robotic.
Now that I think of it, speaking probably is the hardest and weirdest thing that Robot has to relearn. Where it used to just be yet another processing task (maybe done directly in the CPU, ie his brain), with a body it requires first imagining the sound you want to produce, and then sending signals to several muscles to make the very precise moves required to make those sounds.
Maybe Kat just temporarily kept the old face and speakers to make the transition easier for Robot.
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Post by gpvos on May 30, 2019 14:05:19 GMT
I figure that Kat's early work on proteins has been most useful when creating Arthur's new body. She mentions it's "important stuff".
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Post by jda on May 31, 2019 2:20:58 GMT
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Post by jda on May 31, 2019 21:34:50 GMT
I speculate that from the very initial chapters, when Renard entered the story, the shenanigans of ownership and contracts was known to Renard, as he states that the stuffed toy was Annie's, so she owned him. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=81 And even Eggers said that they cannot keep the stuffed toy from her, in fear of what could happen if the contract got void www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=161So , maybe Annie slipped that class and Kat sleeper through
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Post by gpvos on Jun 1, 2019 20:45:55 GMT
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Post by mturtle7 on Jun 1, 2019 20:49:25 GMT
I speculate that from the very initial chapters, when Renard entered the story, the shenanigans of ownership and contracts was known to Renard, as he states that the stuffed toy was Annie's, so she owned him. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=81 And even Eggers said that they cannot keep the stuffed toy from her, in fear of what could happen if the contract got void www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=161So , maybe Annie slipped that class and Kat sleeper through Alternatively, perhaps Renard & the Surma Generation had their own encounter with Salsamel & Clippy at some point in the past.
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Post by Polyhymnia on Jun 1, 2019 22:17:08 GMT
I believe she is actually determining who is a real person and who isn't by touching them, as seen here when Annie takes on Gamma's role.
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Post by gpvos on Jun 1, 2019 22:57:45 GMT
I believe she is actually determining who is a real person and who isn't by touching them, as seen here when Annie takes on Gamma's role. Hmm, yes, that's what I thought initially, but how would you explain Zimmy's "They're what?" in the next panel? They're real people? And then she misinterprets Gamma by assuming he touched her instead of she him? Could be.
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Post by saardvark on Jun 1, 2019 23:41:13 GMT
I interpreted that as: Gamma touches boy, assuming he's a "nobody" from Zimmingham and is surprised when he is solid and doesnt Glorp. She communicates this psychically to Zimmy, who is also surprised and feels threatened by the crowd of non-glorp-ables.
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Post by madjack on Jun 2, 2019 6:34:34 GMT
Re-reading Loup's Trick, I completely missed that Tony has a bandage over his right arm; The surgery to re-attach the hand must have been fairly recent at that point.
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Post by gpvos on Jun 2, 2019 11:25:38 GMT
I interpreted that as: Gamma touches boy, assuming he's a "nobody" from Zimmingham and is surprised when he is solid and doesnt Glorp. She communicates this psychically to Zimmy, who is also surprised and feels threatened by the crowd of non-glorp-ables. Hmm yeah, I thought Gamma had picked up the intention of the group, but on the next page Zimmy is asking after that, so I guess I was wrong.
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Post by jda on Jun 2, 2019 15:20:21 GMT
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Post by bedinsis on Jun 2, 2019 15:23:48 GMT
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Post by Druplesnubb on Jun 3, 2019 10:01:29 GMT
Actually her "nose" (for lack of a better term) seems to go down and cover her mouth.
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Post by bedinsis on Jun 3, 2019 17:19:16 GMT
I don't see that as a nose. It looks more like a respirator.
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Post by MarineMonarch on Jun 3, 2019 21:15:37 GMT
I can't find the precise formspring answers right now, but I believe Tom specified that Zimmy sees Kat as both a normal human and as the freaky metal Angel sorta simultaneously. So when she's insulting Kats appearance, she's probably just referring to her human face.
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Post by Runningflame on Jun 8, 2019 1:03:37 GMT
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Post by bedinsis on Jun 21, 2019 10:42:40 GMT
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Post by snoodette on Jun 28, 2019 8:47:11 GMT
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Post by saardvark on Jun 28, 2019 11:32:56 GMT
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Post by DonDueed on Jun 28, 2019 17:19:10 GMT
Somewhat irregular use of the phrase "noticed on reread", but...
I was always a bit bugged by the shape of Diego's arrow, particularly the broad, recurved point. I found it so odd that at first I wasn't sure which end was which. The problem was that it had no point, either simple or barbed.
However, I recently found a video on YouTube that describes a variety of points used on arrows in medieval times. It seems that Diego's arrow isn't entirely unprecedented. In fact, its point is somewhat like a "crescent point", whose use is not known for sure but may be intended to enter the target animal and then quickly fall out, producing heavy bleeding.
Content warning: discussion of injuries produced by arrows in flesh, illustrated with a pork roast.
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