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Post by ding on Aug 3, 2009 21:38:01 GMT
Reyardine's pattern: is it Native American deco or does it imply circuitry? Something else? Reynardine is a robot! You all heard it! I'm not entirely convinced that he's completely ethereal, for reasons I'm sure have already been exhaustively debated...
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Post by duohimura on Aug 3, 2009 22:58:42 GMT
Well, since no one's said it, I guess I have to be the first:
D'aaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwww~!
*Ahem*
Um... guns! Scantily clad women! Um... *Tries desperately to cling to masculinity*
Yeah, okay, so that's not working.
On the whole "people will have a problem with this chapter" front, it seems a bit pointless to speculate. I will now render that statement hypocritical by tossing out a few immediately occurring ideas. Going by the sorts of things that people -generally- have problems with, the chapter could simply be more violent/frightening/bloody than anything thus far, or it might have, say, nudity in it for whatever reason, which seems much less offensive to the British than to Americans, as far as TV ratings etc. go. Since it seems a lot of the comic's fans are American, I wouldn't discount that as a possibility, but I can't imagine the scenario behind it, and it seems to conflict the direction of the comic in general, so.
I believe Tom has said previously that he was concerned that any reference to sexuality he made would be read by some as him playing out his own twisted fantasies in a story about children (something like that anyway, I don't recall the exact wording). I think the question he was answering was with regards to whether Zimmy and Gamma would be a confirmed couple, etc. So I took that to suggest that he had no plans to broach the topic... However, if he did (with Zimmy and Gamma or Annie and Kat) I suspect people would be displeased either way.
Personally, my favorite theory as far as throwing things into chaos goes would be if Renardine's growing attachment to Annie, his over-protectiveness of her, the several times he's asked if she's interested in any of the boys, and his obvious fondness for Surma were to culminate in -his- having feelings for Annie. Any direction things might go from there would be awkward to say the least.
But Tom is good at surprising us, so I'll be fully content to be wrong here.
I really do start to think that these threads expose an inherent flaw in this manner of publishing though. Not that the time to digest isn't good, but the delay between pages leads to so much crazy speculation--fun, admittedly, but then you have things like people finding the last chapter's ending disappointing, probably -because- we have too much time to think about this stuff.
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Post by walkingdust on Aug 3, 2009 23:08:33 GMT
This one page really shows how much Annie and Rey's relationship has grown over time. You can sense a genuine fondness between the two. Rey almost seems like a father figure when he says that last line. Yikes. Wouldn't it be better to say that they look like good friends? You will have to excuse me, but considering all he has done and said I think that Reynardine doesn't really qualify to "seem like a father figure" for Annie. He is being nice right now, but he is often rude or lewd (And we like him that way, right?). He enjoys saying and suggesting things that cross the boundaries of what would be appropriate horseplay for a father figure. Old and friendly doesn't have to equal father figure. Old and friendly can just be older friend. An older friend who can be wise but have a very dirty mind.
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Post by pepoluan on Aug 3, 2009 23:29:06 GMT
Reyardine's pattern: is it Native American deco or does it imply circuitry? Something else? Reynardine is a robot! You all heard it! And he created the Tic-Tocs!
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Post by pepoluan on Aug 3, 2009 23:31:57 GMT
This one page really shows how much Annie and Rey's relationship has grown over time. You can sense a genuine fondness between the two. Rey almost seems like a father figure when he says that last line. Yikes. Wouldn't it be better to say that they look like good friends? You will have to excuse me, but considering all he has done and said I think that Reynardine doesn't really qualify to "seem like a father figure" for Annie. He is being nice right now, but he is often rude or lewd (And we like him that way, right?). He enjoys saying and suggesting things that cross the boundaries of what would be appropriate horseplay for a father figure. Old and friendly doesn't have to equal father figure. Old and friendly can just be older friend. An older friend who can be wise but have a very dirty mind. I would like to think that also. Unfortunately, a mere older friend won't call you "child". . . . Rey's a sugar daddy! (migosh, I'm *soooo* wicked ) .
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Post by Casey on Aug 3, 2009 23:49:09 GMT
Tom's probably created more of an uproar by saying there's going to be an uproar than the actual uproar itself would have caused. Unless the uproar about the uproar was the uproar he meant. Damn self-fulfilling prophecy...
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Post by uskuri on Aug 4, 2009 0:02:24 GMT
Ethereal-fox-Reynardine always makes me so happy. The colors are just so warm and comforting, and Reynardine himself seems much more at peace in this form. Although I love the ethereal approach to the visuals in general, Reynardine just sticks out because he is so significantly different from the usual.
Beautiful page, once again. I always enjoy looking back and seeing how much the art has progressed, and can't wait to see where it goes from here.
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Post by wanderer on Aug 4, 2009 0:23:54 GMT
...All right, am I missing something obvious? Where are people getting this "Tom predicts people are going to have trouble with this chapter" stuff from? Because I'm not seeing anything like that over the last few pages.
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Post by pepoluan on Aug 4, 2009 0:24:03 GMT
Tom's probably created more of an uproar by saying there's going to be an uproar than the actual uproar itself would have caused. Unless the uproar about the uproar was the uproar he meant. Damn self-fulfilling prophecy... Promise me not to do that again Casey... All those uproarious uproar about an uproar makes my head spin in uproar...
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Post by rhoffman12 on Aug 4, 2009 0:53:46 GMT
The art on this page (and the ones like it) is just wonderful.
I'd just like to throw my lot in with the guys in the homepage comments in saying that if Tom ever tries to sell merchandise other than Orientation and it's sequels, I hope he sells some prints. I'd drop a few hard-earned greenbacks on some prints from the etherium.
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Post by kilthmal on Aug 4, 2009 1:10:19 GMT
First off I doubt any of the wildly inappropiate things are actually in this chapter, so I don't think that's what Tom is predicting there will be bitching about.
My guess is he's just talking about how some people think character development isn't worth wasting time on. If he's not writing out the "real" plot in bullet points he's going too slow for some. Think about his comment thanking people for reading a comic about girls getting their hair cut. He doesn't want to write the typical DC/Marvel comic book and likes to point that out.
The problem with predicting what is going to upset people is that we haven't read the chapter and it is very difficult to tell how the chapter is going to unfold after one real page and a splash page. There are a million things people publicly dislike on the internet and Tom seems highly aware about that, so we probably won't know exactly what he is talking about even after the chapter is over.
Also, we are talking about his comments on his twitter. There is a twitter box on the main page of the comic.
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Post by Casey on Aug 4, 2009 2:07:47 GMT
...All right, am I missing something obvious? Where are people getting this "Tom predicts people are going to have trouble with this chapter" stuff from? Because I'm not seeing anything like that over the last few pages. On the main page on the left, click on and subscribe to Tom's Twitter. Lots of interesting tidbits to be found by watching it. Edit: I replied before I read the end of Kilthmal's comment.
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Post by Babble-jargon Bill on Aug 4, 2009 2:11:17 GMT
Who's willing to bet that by the end of the chapter no one will have found out what it was exactly that we were supposed to be uproarious about?
By the way I think its worth noting that by Wednesday Gunnerkrigg Court will exactly 600 (count 'em) pages.
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Post by four on Aug 4, 2009 5:51:23 GMT
Kilthmal's post seems to have the most likely suggestion. (Although, if that's the case, I find it highly likely that said predicted uproar will magically fail to appear)
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Aug 4, 2009 12:02:21 GMT
Let me just add my own appreciation also for the utter gorgeousness of this page.
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Post by Hnokki on Aug 4, 2009 13:38:14 GMT
My guess is he's just talking about how some people think character development isn't worth wasting time on. I doubt there are many Gunnerkrigg readers who think that.
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Post by Casey on Aug 4, 2009 16:18:17 GMT
I doubt there are many Gunnerkrigg forum-goers who think that. But Tom gets exposed to all sorts of "comments" in the on-page comments that we never see because he wisely deletes them. I don't even want to imagine the sorts of things get posted there that would NEVER be posted here.
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Post by ecomono on Aug 4, 2009 17:05:13 GMT
This is a representation of gloss, not an actual mark on her skin. Something similar was in the Power Station chapter after the rain and Tom had to explain what it was after people drew attention to it. Oh. Um. Never mind then. I'm so embarassed...
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Post by qmarx on Aug 4, 2009 17:46:33 GMT
Is Annie wearing a black leather jacket?
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Post by Casey on Aug 4, 2009 17:56:53 GMT
Well she's wearing something with a collar and a zipper. Remember that mundane objects have no color in the ethereum. So it could be any kind of zip-up jacket or sweater or what-have-you.
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 4, 2009 20:49:35 GMT
but this would not be the first time we have been tricked. Wait, how did you managed to produce such a refined understatement? Double distillation? He knows there are radically different opinions about that acquaintanceship, so he must be able to predict that when the truth is revealed there will be disappointed (or angry) readers. I would bet that Tom is going to invent some twist that would thoroughly joss out all these wild guesses at once, but this would not be yet another wild guess with the same risks. ;D It's not just the hair color, either; the etherium-indicating cut on her face gets noticeably fainter and thinner over those 4 comics (though you can't see it in the 3rd one). Hm... If this evolved art has any in-world meaning at all, IMHO it's her perception gradually improving with practice.
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Post by todd on Aug 4, 2009 22:23:49 GMT
I doubt there are many Gunnerkrigg forum-goers who think that. But Tom gets exposed to all sorts of "comments" in the on-page comments that we never see because he wisely deletes them. I don't even want to imagine the sorts of things get posted there that would NEVER be posted here. I remember a couple of posts on the comment page (one in Chapter Nineteen, one in Chapter Twenty-one) that complained about the comic being too "girly", and apparently (the poster didn't go into specifics) wanted a more action-ish tone.
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Post by warrl on Aug 5, 2009 15:45:06 GMT
Who's willing to bet that by the end of the chapter no one will have found out what it was exactly that we were supposed to be uproarious about? I'd take that bet; I think at least three of us will have found something to be in an uproar about... ... no two of them the same thing.
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Post by warrl on Aug 5, 2009 15:48:44 GMT
I remember a couple of posts on the comment page (one in Chapter Nineteen, one in Chapter Twenty-one) that complained about the comic being too "girly", and apparently (the poster didn't go into specifics) wanted a more action-ish tone. And why would a comic about a couple of 12-year-old girls be at all girly?
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Post by Babble-jargon Bill on Aug 5, 2009 17:52:06 GMT
Who's willing to bet that by the end of the chapter no one will have found out what it was exactly that we were supposed to be uproarious about? I'd take that bet; I think at least three of us will have found something to be in an uproar about... ... no two of them the same thing. Alright, your on! Winner gets a got-it-right cookie. With macadamia nuts.
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Post by Ulysses on Aug 5, 2009 19:06:18 GMT
I see your 3 enraged people and raise it to 5 enraged people. It's on!
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Post by pepoluan on Aug 5, 2009 19:50:33 GMT
Alright, your on! Winner gets a got-it-right cookie. With macadamia nuts. Can't we have cashew instead?
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Post by Ulysses on Aug 5, 2009 20:30:51 GMT
I'd rather have praline actually. Can we squeeze that into the deal?
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Post by Babble-jargon Bill on Aug 5, 2009 23:25:30 GMT
Okay then, so macadamia-praline-cashew-cookies to the victor. But you have to eat all of your chocolate sundae first. And I'll know whether you have or haven't.
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Post by Jiminiminy on Aug 5, 2009 23:38:49 GMT
What if someone with Dissociative Identity Disorder gets enraged about two separate things, does it count as two people or one?
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