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Post by Casey on Jun 24, 2009 21:34:01 GMT
Donald Donlan is a type of whiskey??
WHO KNEW!
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Post by Dentrala on Jun 24, 2009 21:44:37 GMT
Sweet page. I would use the animal beside the bear as an avatar if mine wasn't so awesome already.
I'm pretty sure this is where we'll begin to see inconsistencies with the Court's ideas of their "creation" and the Forest's idea of how things went down. All of course, through the eyes of Annie, which is a really neat viewpoint. Tom, you amaze me sometimes.
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Post by mjh on Jun 24, 2009 22:03:58 GMT
It seems to be Reynardine speaking. The background colour of the bubbles is the same as in panel 2. No, it is not. The background colours are all quite similar, but they are not the same. I assume it is Jones speaking. Btw, we have heard two accounts of these events so far, one by Jones and one by Coyote. Now Coyote had arrived on the scene about this time or not much later, so he would either know first-hand or have talked to people/creatures who had been there. What about Jones? She didn’t quote references either; the way she talked about these events made it sound like a first-hand experience as well. And what is this simulation based on? That is, if the “soldier” looks a lot like Eglamore, is this because someone present at this historical event did in fact look like him, maybe because he was an actual ancestor, or is it because that when Dr. Disaster designed the simulation, he modelled that guy, be it deliberately or subconsciously, on someone he knew?
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Post by Casey on Jun 24, 2009 22:12:57 GMT
Dentrala: Would Jones show the kids something that is biased in the Court's favor? It seems out of character for Jones, and actually out of character for the Court, since they seem to actually want their mediums to be truly neutral. (Which, as I've said before, is an oddity considering the Court, in Jones's words, sees the people of the Forest as simple-minded nuisances... but that's an argument for another time.)
Furthermore, I'm curious just who supplied Dr. Disaster with the information needed to program this simulation? How do they know who was there, what they looked like, what exactly happened, etc? The sim must be pretty accurate in its detail, if Reynardine recognizes it.
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Post by bisected8 on Jun 24, 2009 22:59:29 GMT
Perhaps they used magic etheric science?
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Post by nevermore on Jun 24, 2009 23:35:42 GMT
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Post by ding on Jun 24, 2009 23:37:59 GMT
Why would they bring along Reynard fox-in-wolf's-clothing along to a historical reinchantment? One reason might be that he has some history with the strange figures... which would explain his fears. Suspecting Bear, if he's Bruin, may not take kindly to Reynard's presence, on account of undelivered honey. And if that's Tibert the Cat in foreground of panel three, we're well on our way to a trial.
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Post by Babble-jargon Bill on Jun 25, 2009 0:39:04 GMT
If Peter Griffin were a resident of Gunnerkrigg, I think they would have forcefully recruited him for Gillitie residency a long time ago.
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Post by Miri on Jun 25, 2009 1:17:39 GMT
Migosh, awesome page today. It's always nice to see Diego and Bully (and I like Redcoat!Eglamore on principle, though he does remind me a bit of how Zimmy sees not-people in Sunny Birmingham), but I'm actually more interested in the identity of the man who seems to be standing in front of them in panel 3. He seems to be taking on a leadership/negotiation role.
Also, is it just me, or do a couple nonhuman silhouettes seem to be aligned with the humans, also in panel 3?
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Post by Casey on Jun 25, 2009 1:34:48 GMT
This is a sim from before the rift, so I don't think there are sides and alignments yet? I don't know though.
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Post by rylfrazier on Jun 25, 2009 2:56:13 GMT
Wow, what a great page.
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Post by strainofthought on Jun 25, 2009 3:52:22 GMT
For the people who say Bully looks like an ancestor of the headmaster, I agree that they share the same distinctive pale skin and wrinkles but it's not close enough to be conclusive. I never saw what Tom posted about the Headmaster's state being a metaphor for the court, but it sounds like he could be an actual Fisher King- the magical nexus that the Wood sits on seems like the right sort of place to find such a phenomenon. As for Bully looking bitter and angry, and that representing the imminent schism: Jones spoke of the humans before as refugees- I don't think Bully, Redcoat, Young Diego, or any of the others in the back already form some kind of mobile organization- I think they've just recently fallen in together as a result of all trying to get away from the same thing, which I suspect is either a war or a shipwreck or both. (I hold with the theory that Gillitie Wood is on an Island.) Wanting to avoid fighting in a war strikes me as a motive the animals could get behind. If we are ridiculously lucky, pirates of some kind might also involved. So if Bully is bitter about something, it is likely that war or other disaster which he is fleeing that has angered him, and not anything the animals have had time to do yet. I concur with Casey that the impression from earlier tellings was that the animals and humans had successfully cooperated for some time before they fell into strife and Coyote intervened. And in Coyote's stylized retelling, there were already many buildings among the forest when he split the earth. So I do not think Coyote will be showing up in any form in this simulation. It's still a good observation that the same group of people seem to be surrounding a bismuth symbol in Coyote's art as are surrounding the light source at the Court's founding- but I think that may simply mean that whatever the Bismuth-Light is, it was present at, or the scene of, both the founding and the sundering of the alliance.
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Jun 25, 2009 4:41:28 GMT
Hmm. Jones just had to add that last line. Is Coyote really responsible? Or is Jones revealing a pro-Court bias? Hmm, indeed.
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Post by biggerj on Jun 25, 2009 5:00:01 GMT
Rather than the Headteacher simply acting as a metaphor for the state of the Court, perhaps the Headteacher is a living embodiment of the Court, the 'spirit of the Court' in other words. Then Janet, as the daughter of the Court and therefore being connected to it somehow, shows how the Court is becoming feistier and more aggresive recently. I agree with Casey that this seems a bit too ethereal-y for the Court. The Court has never been able to fully shake off its mystical past (hence the old library and the resident Minotaur), but for it to be led by a mystical being seems a bit too much. My theory is largely based upon the likelihood of the Headmaster feeling empathy for the institution he leads and runs.
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Post by Casey on Jun 25, 2009 5:03:17 GMT
Coyote did cause the divide between the Court and the Wood, and he said so. It's called the Annan River.
Don't confuse what she said, though, with the idea that Coyote caused the divide to be necessary by straining relations between the two.
Everyone needs to remember that this is the FOUNDING of the Court. The humans and animals lived together for some time before the humans' need to understand and explain (and control) everything led the two sides to become enemies. But according to what Jones said, that's not what we're seeing here. We're seeing a time before that. I think Friday's panel will bear this out.
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Post by Casey on Jun 25, 2009 5:06:21 GMT
To be specific: Read the first two bubbles on this page. That is the event we are seeing here.
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Post by Goatmon on Jun 25, 2009 5:53:00 GMT
HOLY CRAP uh, I mean, uh HOLY CRAP Diego, Diego, Diego, Diego But I'm actually posting this because I just realized that if Diego and Bully were present at the time of the Court's founding, then that means Jeanne is probably somewhere in the back there! Here's hoping we see her! OH SHI (I think this is the most excitement I have ever expressed on this forum. I'm dying for the next update, Tom!)
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Post by mjh on Jun 25, 2009 6:19:15 GMT
It's always nice to see Diego and Bully (and I like Redcoat!Eglamore on principle, though he does remind me a bit of how Zimmy sees not-people in Sunny Birmingham), but I'm actually more interested in the identity of the man who seems to be standing in front of them in panel 3. He seems to be taking on a leadership/negotiation role. Huh? In panel 3, we have (from left to right) a canine creature, a creature with an apparently human body and a canine head, some human, the “soldier”, and “Bully”. I see no one standing in front of them, other than the creatures on the other side. Also, is it just me, or do a couple nonhuman silhouettes seem to be aligned with the humans, also in panel 3? There is no obvious human/non-human division here; there non-humans on both sides. And no, I don’t see any obvious alignment.
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Post by Casey on Jun 25, 2009 6:48:38 GMT
goatmon: Diego's nose is much longer and pointier. But I think this could be one of his ancestors.
mjh: She means the guy you called "some human". He isn't shown in panel 4. And his right arm is in front of Soldier's left arm, so he could be standing in front of him.
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Post by mjh on Jun 25, 2009 9:32:53 GMT
She means the guy you called "some human". He isn't shown in panel 4. And his right arm is in front of Soldier's left arm, so he could be standing in front of him. The small guy with the unruly hair? He looks like a child to me. Now that wouldn’t rule out taking a leadership role per se, but still I don’t think it’s likely. Anyway, if this is the scene depicted in the second panel of www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=373 (and it surely looks like it is), then there isn’t even a confrontation, just people/creatures assembled in a semicircle around some source of light (and possibly heat).
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Post by Casey on Jun 25, 2009 13:23:58 GMT
I agree there isn't a confrontation. See my post 4 posts ago. However there's still the possibility that that guy is important, and is taking a leadership role in the negotiations that are taking place, namely the humans being offered and accepting refuge in the Forest. Hence Miri saying he looks like he's taking on a leadership/negotiation role. Though I probably shouldn't be making people's arguments for them.
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Post by cantabile on Jun 26, 2009 0:16:05 GMT
The guy in the trenchcoat actually reminded me of Mr. Thorn. He even appears to have a beard... It looks more like a cravat to me than it does a beard.
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Post by Ulysses on Jun 26, 2009 1:09:07 GMT
Definitely some sort of cravat/scarf type item. Either that or a killer neck-beard, because it's definitely not on the front of his face.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jun 26, 2009 5:10:23 GMT
I'm curious about the time period here. Because the guy with the tricorne hat looks like he stepped right out of the 1600's or 1700's, while the fellow everyone has dubbed Bully seems to be wearing a trench coat, and according to Wikipedia, those were first worn in World War I.
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Post by fuzzyone on Jun 26, 2009 5:35:31 GMT
The thing on the coat may be some form of Plant-based Spirit ward, like Wolfsbane or somesuch... Something to keep a malicious creature at bay. It's the first thign I thought of when I saw it. A redcoat helps establish a rough timeline, I believe, by setting it a rather long time ago, when Soldiers got in large lines to shoot at one another, instead of hiding in bushes to shoot at one another. I think it entirely possible that some of the residents could still be rather Superstitious, and clinging to old stories about such a wood inhabited by such strange creatures, and hoping to protect themselves in whatever way they can.
Of course, it's just wild speculation on my part... We'll see in two and a half hours.
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Post by Ulysses on Jun 26, 2009 9:52:34 GMT
I'm curious about the time period here. Because the guy with the tricorne hat looks like he stepped right out of the 1600's or 1700's, while the fellow everyone has dubbed Bully seems to be wearing a trench coat, and according to Wikipedia, those were first worn in World War I. Who says they're all from the same time? Perhaps they were brought there, or ended up there, from many different times. That would explain the difference in costume and how Diego (who's much more identifiable in today's comic) could have such detailed knowledge of robotics despite being so far in the past.
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Post by todd on Jun 26, 2009 10:42:51 GMT
It might also be one of those surrealistic blends of different time periods, to add to the sense of strangeness around the Court's founding.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jun 26, 2009 11:07:30 GMT
So the next page says this is an artistic representation. I guess that answers that.
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Post by warrl on Jun 26, 2009 15:19:31 GMT
Hmm. Jones just had to add that last line. Is Coyote really responsible? Or is Jones revealing a pro-Court bias? Hmm, indeed. There are multiple ways the line could be interpreted. Jones COULD be referring to the canyon that the Annan Waters flow through. (What she really means... to be determined, maybe.)
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Post by clementine on Jun 26, 2009 16:07:45 GMT
Okay, I swear to god I see a chupacabra in panel 3 (directly across from the horse, with the prominent backbone).
Someone please tell me what else that could be, because I'm sure it's not.
I need to stop watching the Discovery Channel.
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