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Post by Casey on Jun 22, 2009 18:25:23 GMT
Right, right, I recognize all that... but I was responding to picaro, whose original question suggested none of the above. In other words mjh, YOU know... but don't say "we know" because you don't know what picaro knows.
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Post by kevkevonfire on Jun 22, 2009 19:52:11 GMT
Please, we all know that any item received will be useful for one or two puzzles in the dungeon immediately afterwards.
Or they may just want a light snack during the simulation. A snack of chocolate and flowers. I'm not one to judge. Nor am I a person who eats flowers. I am even less of one to judge, though.
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Post by bisected8 on Jun 22, 2009 21:48:06 GMT
She did say to him that they're "lovely as always" (or maybe that's just the caffiene induced haze I'm in right now). That would imply that this is neither the first time he's given them to her and that they were a gift...
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Post by todd on Jun 22, 2009 22:20:09 GMT
I wonder how long it'll be before Reynardine decides to assume his wolf-form again in the forest (in the mood he's in, he might want to do so to boost his morale).
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Post by Babble-jargon Bill on Jun 22, 2009 23:02:26 GMT
Like I mentioned somewhere a while back, I think that the teachers just like messing with the student's heads. Also, the light that they are approaching in the sim looks very similar to the one we saw the animals and humans looking at in chapter 17.
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Post by picaro on Jun 22, 2009 23:31:10 GMT
Aha! Thank you! I hadn't caught that, missed a page somehow. It happens.
But I'm also caught by Max's opinion. I guess we'll have to see.
In answer to your question about myself: picaro knows nothing of much interest. Except maybe the identity of the Stig. But that's neither here nor there.
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Post by Max on Jun 22, 2009 23:32:04 GMT
Like I mentioned somewhere a while back, I think that the teachers just like messing with the student's heads. Also, the light that they are approaching in the sim looks very similar to the one we saw the animals and humans looking at in chapter 17. Maybe the simulation is just a history lesson in the formation of the Court, a 3D reproduction of some of the arguments between the humans and the animals. If Reynardine was there at the time, as this panel suggests, he would certainly find it interesting to witness it a second time. This would also explain the lack of haptic suits
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Post by The Stranger on Jun 23, 2009 0:16:09 GMT
I'd just like to note the possibility that the suits could've been costumes for the pulpy sci-fi to begin with, and that there actually is no "haptic feedback" in them as Kat speculated.
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Post by clementine on Jun 23, 2009 0:42:01 GMT
I've the sneaking suspicion that panel 3 is an allusion to an old panel. Perhaps when Ysengrim comes out of the forest? (not the one Max put up, I think.) And is it just me, or does everyone look oddly simplified in this page, compared to the etheric versions of Annie and Rey? I'm ready to blame either of these on this other computer or the city air pollution getting to me, but I figured I might as well put it up. FOUND WHAT I WAS THINKING OF: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=484 I guess it's just the trees that reminded me of it. *shrugs*
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Post by Sommer on Jun 23, 2009 1:19:21 GMT
Did anyone else notice how Reynardine's eyes are significantly smaller when he talks with Annie? It's like when he's talking to her he doesn't have the control he has normally. Which leads me to ask...is that their souls? Do they keep walking or do they have to stop, since (I assume) they loose control of there bodies? Ha I'm probably reading too much into it.
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Post by Chrome on Jun 23, 2009 1:48:41 GMT
Oh I like the idea of flowers and chocolates being required for the next simulation. That would completely fit. Except for "beautiful as always" from Jones. So maybe Jones decided to make them a part of the next simulation for whatever reason.
Of course, it could be simpler than that: Maybe she simply had nowhere to put them, and setting them aside might've hurt Dr. Disaster's feelings in some way. Jones, however serious she might be, is obviously a big stickler for tact.
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Post by brickster on Jun 23, 2009 3:04:25 GMT
Frame 4 Reynardine is adorable.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jun 23, 2009 4:34:22 GMT
Hmm interesting point as well. Perhaps he meant "THIS trickery just makes me a little nervous" referring to the artificial reality chamber. I would suppose that for a creature of the etherium, nothing would be quite as unsettling as a totally artificial world. Maybe that's why Reynardine didn't go along on the Spacemonauts sim. Perhaps he's only here now because Jones piqued his interest with her comment about him finding it interesting, and now he's regretting coming. Perhaps he recognizes that this is the kind of trickery that can undo the trickster, as it were. Interesting, then, that the way Annie ends up comforting him would be by using etheric energy... probably this is to Reynardine what a breath of fresh air in a stale, fetid room would be to us. Yes... etheric trickery is Rey's element, so technological trickery unsettles him. I like that theory.
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Post by todd on Jun 23, 2009 10:40:03 GMT
I think that the chocolate and flowers are just one of those little details that Tom puts in which he doesn't intend as important, and then becomes surprised at how much attention the readers give them.
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Post by bisected8 on Jun 23, 2009 11:04:08 GMT
They could be. But then again, why is Jones still carrying them around instead of finding somewhere to put them? At the very least it says something about her...
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Post by mjh on Jun 23, 2009 11:41:02 GMT
They could be. But then again, why is Jones still carrying them around instead of finding somewhere to put them? They are obviously going to pay a visit to Little Red Riding Hood’s grandmother to bring her flowers and a nearly full box of chocolates. It’s her birthday, I suppose.
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Post by bisected8 on Jun 23, 2009 12:00:35 GMT
Well I hope they stay on the path then.
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Post by mjh on Jun 23, 2009 12:09:50 GMT
Well I hope they stay on the path then. They’ve brought the flowers so they won’t have to stray from the path to pick some, see?
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Post by Yin on Jun 23, 2009 12:29:00 GMT
And the chocolates are to give the wolf (Ysengrin, obv) so that he'll be distracted and not attack 'em?
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Post by bisected8 on Jun 23, 2009 12:41:14 GMT
But wait, chocolate is toxic to some dogs (and thus probably wolves, being the proto-dogs they are). They're practising for an assassination!
*I would like to re-enforce that I'm not being very serious at this point*
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Post by Yin on Jun 23, 2009 12:44:00 GMT
Oh snap. Watch out, Ys!
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 23, 2009 13:52:05 GMT
Like I mentioned somewhere a while back, I think that the teachers just like messing with the student's heads. Also, the light that they are approaching in the sim looks very similar to the one we saw the animals and humans looking at in chapter 17. Ah, good eye! But then, theory about Rey being "a little nervous" in this sim because he expect some specific scene to be demonstrated just got an extra plausibility point.
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Post by AluK on Jun 23, 2009 17:39:12 GMT
Dunno. Somehow I think Reynardine's discomfort with the sim has more to do with the fact they're emulating the Woods, a place he hasn't been to for quite some time than with the fact that it's "trickery".
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Post by Kuraru on Jun 23, 2009 18:00:06 GMT
Like I mentioned somewhere a while back, I think that the teachers just like messing with the student's heads. Also, the light that they are approaching in the sim looks very similar to the one we saw the animals and humans looking at in chapter 17. Ah, good. I was just looking through this thread to see if anyone had notice that yet. It was also seen in the bottom right corner of page 490 and in the first panel of page 491.
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Post by rylfrazier on Jun 24, 2009 0:58:31 GMT
The answer to the Reynadine question and how people view him must be more complex than "everyone thinks he's a murderer."
If that were true, I can't imagine that they'd let him just rome around with Annie openly because he's stuck in a doll.
I think that the situation was a lot more complex than that. Maybe it's well known that he didn't know his powers killed people when he first started using them and accidentally killed the mysterious "young man" he killed, then ended up in Sivo's body out of necessity rather than as an act of murder.
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Post by Chrome on Jun 24, 2009 3:09:06 GMT
You know what would be weird?
If Reynardine willingly took Sivo's body to be captured BECAUSE he realized his power killed people (and possibly put Surma off him as well). That would make for a more complicated story, and would explain why Eggers and company figure Annie can control him. It's not like he's going to try and get another body without Surma around.
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