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Post by Igniz on Nov 8, 2023 8:05:56 GMT
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Post by laaaa on Nov 8, 2023 8:10:23 GMT
Is the robot guy in the back of the crowd, looking down on himself?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 8, 2023 8:15:13 GMT
Comic #159 just for reference. By the way, if these memories are as subjective as everything else is we may get to see an Elgamore call Antimony dumb in the next page or so. Follicle-challenged Noob's injuries appear to have him disabled, but I think he might be repairable. Is the robot guy in the back of the crowd, looking down on himself? Maybe..? It could be a ghost-him, or a different him. Antimony presumably really wanted to save him so he could be a memory of hers. I don't think the Noobs have enough etheric mojo to manifest him themselves, but there's an outside chance with Antimony acting as medium he could manifest himself (or a memory of himself?) and she could take him into the ether... which shouldn't be far from here at all. The really fun thing is that I think his body might be repairable and his ghost (if that's what it is) could be brought out... it'd whither, but for a while there could be two of him. [edit2] Actually they might be able to put ghost-Noob in factory-refurbished Noob and then he'd have double the etheric energy... which still wouldn't be much but he'd be way ahead of the rest of the Noobs. [/edit2] |
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Post by arf on Nov 8, 2023 8:24:17 GMT
*Ahem!* 'Chapter 9 page 11' has Eglamore writing Annie a detention slip following her first trip to the bridge.
Which NP is the 'gopper'?
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Post by philman on Nov 8, 2023 8:24:42 GMT
Is the robot guy in the back of the crowd, looking down on himself? Tht seems to be the implication of the last panel with Annie looking confused, yes. That guy wasn't really killed at all, just in Annie's zimmingham illusion of the situation. 'Chapter 9 page 11' has Eglamore writing Annie a detention slip following her first trip to the bridge. I think it is refernecing the page before the detention slip, this page, probably just for the art, as they are in the same corridor, but it is also a chapter heavily involving Mort and also the aftermath of the bridge and Renardene attack, so could be we are going into a scene with Renard and Eglamore next? |
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Post by arf on Nov 8, 2023 8:27:34 GMT
Yes, I overshot by a page. First panel is the point.
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Post by shadow3 on Nov 8, 2023 8:37:05 GMT
It takes way more than one punch to take out Saitama.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 8, 2023 8:46:56 GMT
Is the robot guy in the back of the crowd, looking down on himself? Tht seems to be the implication of the last panel with Annie looking confused, yes. That guy wasn't really killed at all, just in Annie's zimmingham illusion of the situation. Well, it's as real as they let it be so shock and denial are their friends in this situation. If the transition happened before they processed the "reality" of the stabbing then he might not be dead... assuming a Noob can be killed at all at this stage of their humanization... On the other hand, if they fall prey to conventional thinking that might make bald-Noob "dead" and a ghost even if it isn't necessarily so at this stage. Antimony's in the driver's seat here, I think, and maybe Renard rides shotgun, so her/their expectations will drive what happened, possibly retroactively. Would be interesting to see what happens if they leave dead-Noob and take out live-Noob. Of course, I'd also be interested to see what would happen if Antimony used The Tooth to cut out a strip of the distortion, tie it in a knot, and use it for a hula-hoop. |
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Post by Eversist on Nov 8, 2023 9:11:45 GMT
This is maybe irrelevant (I enjoy the current interpretation above and in the Discord), but Smitty also survived a stabby encounter in the gorge. Interesting parallel.
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Post by Coyoty on Nov 8, 2023 9:40:40 GMT
Looks like the robot people can die and have souls that need to move on.
Time to do some psychopomping. ![]( "Right click to shift") |
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Post by laaaa on Nov 8, 2023 10:12:42 GMT
Tht seems to be the implication of the last panel with Annie looking confused, yes. That guy wasn't really killed at all, just in Annie's zimmingham illusion of the situation. Maybe there will be two robo-guys from now on, a fine one and a comatose one. Kat will try to merge them, Zimmy-style, only they well end up in an epic mental fight about who gets the control of the uninjured body. The conglomeration of the two will result in an unhinged being-- oh wait. I was planning to do a lame boxbot reveal joke until I realised I was basically describing Loup. |
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Post by jda on Nov 8, 2023 10:20:06 GMT
... so, when they "solve" this scene, which one will be the next stage?
We already saw Zimmingham, then "Crash course" (chapter 44), Jeane's gorge "Coward heart"
Due to the stages being Emotional chapters of Annie´s life, I propose the Torn Sea (also, as to vary the scenerie).
or Hope Hospital, with Surma dying: Final Boss: Broken Man!!
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Post by mochakimono on Nov 8, 2023 10:50:58 GMT
"What happened?"
"I'll tell you but you have to promise not to get angry"
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Post by blahzor on Nov 8, 2023 11:21:35 GMT
Maybe remember the pomps healing Smitty
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Post by blahzor on Nov 8, 2023 11:22:28 GMT
Is the robot guy in the back of the crowd, looking down on himself? Down bad |
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Post by Nnelg on Nov 8, 2023 14:10:55 GMT
So, now might be a good time to mention that I suspect bald guy is Zimmy...
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Post by ctso74 on Nov 8, 2023 16:50:26 GMT
"... and I thought I was being original in character creation. Who's copycat here?""
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Post by Gemini Jim on Nov 8, 2023 16:58:25 GMT
So, now might be a good time to mention that I suspect bald guy is Zimmy... Interesting choice, since I was thinking that Jeanne was Zimmy. - Zimmy is anti-Kat, and Kat has been messing with Diego's robots. (I think somebody else came up with this idea, but it makes sense) EDIT: Or the "new" Saitama could be Zimmy, who has changed appearances, since Jeanne can't be following them around. EDIT2: There might also be a Gamma in there somewhere.... if Zimmy's there. I'm also still not convinced that "Walkie Talkie Kat" is Kat. I agree with Philman that Annie in the last panel is doing the Annie equivalent of a double take, and that Saitama seems to be doing the very cartoonish thing of interrupting his own funeral, so to speak. This transition is a lot more abrupt than the last ones, but it just reinforces the memory, dream-like status of the distortion. |
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Post by AluK on Nov 8, 2023 18:25:20 GMT
This is a Salamander Boy situation, probably, where Saitama isn't aware of what happened to him and thus can't pass into the ether without a guide (and also, NP don't have guides yet).
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Post by pyradonis on Nov 8, 2023 20:07:13 GMT
Looks like the robot people can die and have souls that need to move on.
Time to do some psychopomping. ![]( "Right click to shift") Welcome to the forum!
I think you are right. Annie seems to be the only one noticing the guy speaking. Strongly hints at this being his soul, not a duplicate.
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Post by Corvo on Nov 8, 2023 22:55:49 GMT
"Well, this guy fell so now we're looting the body."
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Post by arf on Nov 9, 2023 0:38:06 GMT
I think the procession is gradually making its way to the coast. Starting with the Prairie of Coyote's memory, through the Gilletie Wood and the bridge. We've just arrived at Eglamore's staff office. Where next? Kat's workshop? Annie's spacious apartment?
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Post by Runningflame on Nov 9, 2023 2:36:52 GMT
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Post by blahzor on Nov 9, 2023 3:35:00 GMT
This is a Salamander Boy situation, probably, where Saitama isn't aware of what happened to him and thus can't pass into the ether without a guide (and also, NP don't have guides yet). Gunnerkrigg is now just the old show "dead like me" |
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Post by guntherkrieg on Nov 9, 2023 12:10:43 GMT
mAyBe tHe dOoR iS zImMy
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Post by guntherkrieg on Nov 9, 2023 12:11:24 GMT
Now to psychopomp and explain to the rest what death is.
Perhaps the pomps were so keen on Annie remaining in their service because they foresaw future robot death situations and were like "okay, let's get Carver in on retainer and we'll assign her to that position"
Kat being the creator of robot life and Annie, her bff, being the one who ferries their souls on, is such an elegant plot development.
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Post by blahzor on Nov 9, 2023 13:38:47 GMT
Now to psychopomp and explain to the rest what death is. Perhaps the pomps were so keen on Annie remaining in their service because they foresaw future robot death situations and were like "okay, let's get Carver in on retainer and we'll assign her to that position" They won't die until she explains it and realized she messed up badly. Then tell them Coyote ate their friend Kat being the creator of robot life and Annie, her bff, being the one who ferries their souls on, is such an elegant plot development. |
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Post by Gemminie on Nov 9, 2023 15:47:32 GMT
Annie evidently caused a change of scene by focusing and forcing herself to remember some other time and place. When she opens her eyes, she finds herself in a Court hallway (as Tom says, Chapter 9 page 11), outside Jones' and Eglamore's old offices, in a recreation of a building that's probably destroyed in reality. The New People and Renard seem to have come with her.
Annie finds that the bald New Person appears to be still dead or dying on the floor; the box of CPUs has fallen and broken open, leaving CPUs strewn about. Annie says that she caused this, by remembering Jeanne, and in a way she's right, but in another way she's wrong. She didn't deliberately want Jeanne to appear and attack; her memories led her to a place where that happened. She kneels by the fallen NP as the others stand sadly about, including another one who looks exactly like the bald one lying on the floor, who asks what happened.
Poor, poor ... guy who's standing right there? What? Well ... my theory right now is that the NP's worst fear came true, which was some sort of threat to the box of CPUs – each of which has the potential to become another one of their number. So collectively Annie and the New People made this happen with their unconscious fears about the bridge location – Annie imagined Robot-with-wooden-arm showing up, then herself falling from the bridge and ending up on the riverbank, then Jeanne attacking, and the NP imagined the attack specifically threatening the worst target. But apparently what's imaginary is still imaginary. They imagined Jeanne attacking a phantom of the bald NP.
But my theory may not be right – the one who was attacked was really carrying the CPU box, it appears. So I don't know.
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Post by Gemminie on Nov 9, 2023 16:03:20 GMT
Looks like the robot people can die and have souls that need to move on.
Time to do some psychopomping. ![]( "Right click to shift") This is not a possibility I'd considered, but it could be true. Nobody else seems to be looking at the bald NP standing among them; nobody appears to have noticed him, except for Annie. It might be that she's seeing his spirit; we know she can see the spirits of the recently departed. On this page, Mort appears to get up from the ground, some distance away, and has to make his way to where Jones is removing the rubble that his body is buried under. We didn't see the bald NP get up from the ground and walk over; he just seems to have appeared among the other NP. So, again, maybe this is what's happening, or maybe it isn't. The rules are all wonky in this distortion. If he is dead, will the psychopomps show up and demand that Annie take him into the Ether? Or will they simply not show up, because he's not a sort of being they've ever had to deal with before? Will Annie just decide she has to do it, because if she doesn't, he's doomed to wander the Earth forever? Will imaginary psychopomps appear, not real but created by the distortion? Will Annie disbelieve that he's dead and only come to believe after his spirit follows her around for a while? But what about Lana? Wasn't she the first NP to die? Where did her spirit go? Is the fact that Annie didn't see her spirit evidence that she isn't really dead? Or, again, what if the bald NP isn't really dead, and it was an illusion of him that died? (But shouldn't Annie have seen Lana's spirit in any case? Well, we still don't really know whether that's what happens when NP die.) |
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Post by pyradonis on Nov 9, 2023 16:34:27 GMT
But what about Lana? Wasn't she the first NP to die? Where did her spirit go? Is the fact that Annie didn't see her spirit evidence that she isn't really dead? Or, again, what if the bald NP isn't really dead, and it was an illusion of him that died? (But shouldn't Annie have seen Lana's spirit in any case? Well, we still don't really know whether that's what happens when NP die.) Well, Lana could be dead and her spirit trapped inside Coyote. Unfortunately, when chaos gods are involved, all bets are off. |
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