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Post by Yin on Dec 15, 2008 8:00:35 GMT
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Post by preus on Dec 15, 2008 8:02:34 GMT
god damn you're fast, Yin. This comic pretty much confirmed what we all knew anyway. Beutiful final panel, though. Just gorgeous.
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Post by Yin on Dec 15, 2008 8:04:23 GMT
Boom phazoom.
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Post by eightyfour on Dec 15, 2008 8:11:41 GMT
Beutiful final panel, though. Just gorgeous. Quoted for absolute, unblemished truth. Now the question is, when they're talking about killing "many" people, do gods and humans think on the same scale? As long as no definite number is mentioned, "many" is a matter of perspective.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Dec 15, 2008 8:14:27 GMT
Coyote says that Rey used to love Surma, something that many of us have suspected.
Coyote also says that Rey loves humans in general, something that very few of us have suspected. I certainly didn't. Maybe it's a question of perspective: Rey doesn't want to Kill All Humans, so that equals love for the wacky hairless bipeds as far as Gillitie is concerned.
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Post by Goatmon on Dec 15, 2008 8:29:07 GMT
Renard and Surma, sittin' in a tree.
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Post by ecomono on Dec 15, 2008 8:47:09 GMT
Supernatural love quadrangle, thy name is Surma.
Also: vis-a-vis the whole "loves humans" thing... Renard <i>has</i> been away from home for a while now. Especially with the "lack of a body" stuff and the "imprisoned for killing a guy" stuff, there's a lot of room for changing opinions.
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Post by snes on Dec 15, 2008 8:48:44 GMT
I was a bit surprised by Annie's initial response. I didn't expect that she thought so little of Reynardine to jump to that conclusion. You could have guessed he liked Surma as early as the fifth comic he appeared in. I don't think Annie likes Coyote getting so close and...pythony.
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Post by ecomono on Dec 15, 2008 8:53:13 GMT
I was a bit surprised by Annie's initial response. I didn't expect that she thought so little of Reynardine to jump to that conclusion. Eh, it's the gratuitous body-snatching thing, probably.
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Post by tetsamaru on Dec 15, 2008 9:13:08 GMT
Ann's personal space is getting violated yet again. And yes, Reyn loves Surma!
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Post by penguinfactory on Dec 15, 2008 11:37:35 GMT
And so the connection between Surma and Reynardine is finally revealed.
As usual, Tom answers one question and gives us more to chew on- namely, who was the young man, if Reynardine loved humans why doesn't he anymore, and how did he get to be a body-stealing demon?
I'm guessing Rey tried to become human for Surma, but something went wrong and he was trappd between bodies.
Does anyone else just love the second last panel?
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Post by todd on Dec 15, 2008 11:43:57 GMT
So now we know that Reynardine was still in his original body as a fox when he knew Surma. At least Annie's finally got one of her big questions answered (about what the link was between him and her mother).
But I'd certainly like to know how he went to "body-snatching demon" behavior (and even being willing to possess the daughter of the woman whom he'd fallen in love with).
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Post by fjodor on Dec 15, 2008 12:51:43 GMT
Maybe a possessed body only dies if Rey is forced to leave that body?
Anyway, Surma sure was popular; Anthony, James, and now Reynardine too. Maybe in a world where people can change into animals, love affairs between humans and animals are not uncommon.
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Post by cenit on Dec 15, 2008 13:55:42 GMT
we all saw that coming... renard looks so happy in the last pannel
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Post by idonotlikepeas on Dec 15, 2008 14:45:56 GMT
Couple of random things:
* Everyone loves Surma! But that isn't too surprising. She's clearly attractive and it seems like she spent a lot of time developing skills that made her good at being nice to people whatever their shape/beliefs/mentality. It's easy to love someone like that.
* Remember, the only information we have about Reynardine's body-snatching ability comes from Eglamore, who is not an unbiased nor necessarily an omniscient source. He probably wasn't lying about it (/probably/), but it's possible he doesn't know exactly how it all works; maybe Rey could have done something other than kick Annie out of her head or maybe he knew of some way to get her back afterwards.
* Eglamore said "we" wanted to find a way to stop Reynardine's departure from killing the host; maybe Reynardine was cooperating with this effort to some extent? It's possible he doesn't want to kill people when he leaves and was gambling on the idea that there might be a way around it.
* Alternately, Reynardine was probably kind of desperate there. He'd been imprisoned for a long time and wanted to escape. It's possible that he just wanted it so much that he was willing to sacrifice Annie to get it. This one is a bit odd, though, because he tells Coyote that he can't leave even if he wants to. (Implying both that he can't escape at all and that he doesn't want to escape anyway, although the latter is probably due to Annie.)
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Post by zingbat on Dec 15, 2008 17:21:58 GMT
Awwww! That last panel is so cute! Lookit the happy foxy Reynardine! ;D ;D
...although one has to wonder how he gathered those flowers without opposable thumbs...
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Post by ding on Dec 15, 2008 17:24:41 GMT
Annie needs to tell panel 6 Coyote to stick to the "three foot rule". Stupid dogs...
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Post by lingus on Dec 15, 2008 20:23:53 GMT
Okay, so I think this further confirms my guess that the "young man" he killed was Annie's dad. He would have done so to get him out of the way so he and Surma could be together. Makes sense?
As for a post in the previous topic stating the fact that Annie mentions in a narration that she will see her dad in 2 years, I bring up the fact that I made a guess that she would meet with her fathers ghost.
I thought someone mentioned this but now I can't find it, the fact that Annie's dad has recently been known to skip out on his duties (or something along those lines). Well firstly, if he's dead, of course he's not going to make his appointments... Alternatively, my point would be, this is Gunnerkrig Court. A ghost is one of the supporting characters. The whole theme of the comic revolves around the supernatural. There's no reason why, if someone dies, they can't still play a role...
Of course, I reserve the right to back down from this opinion and state that I had no idea what I was thinking...
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Post by ecomono on Dec 15, 2008 20:43:43 GMT
Okay, so I think this further confirms my guess that the "young man" he killed was Annie's dad. He would have done so to get him out of the way so he and Surma could be together. Makes sense? Doubt it. He was alive at least until Surma's death, which is when he disappeared. By that time, Reynardine had already (presumably) been imprisoned for several years, given the way the Donlans described their battle for a cure. Unless Good Hope employed ghosts, I'm not sure the timelines check out.
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Post by yerocha on Dec 15, 2008 20:58:52 GMT
I think I'm becoming to understand the relationship between Annie and Reynardine a little more after this.
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Post by Shunpike on Dec 15, 2008 21:38:14 GMT
I don't think this is the kind of joke your father would pull. EDIT: This was in response to all the comments on today's comic with the idea that Rey + Surma = Annie. ...Yeah.
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Post by gaia on Dec 15, 2008 21:59:41 GMT
Wow, Surma was a popular girl. (If you assume Coyote is telling the truth, which, um, he's Coyote.) And her dress is pretty. And her hair is so giant I am surprised it all has room to grow out of her head.
Could the young man have been Sivo, or is that far too obvious and easy?
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Post by King Mir on Dec 15, 2008 23:20:26 GMT
I bet this is how Rey feels about Surma nowSpecifically when he says "Do you think a woman like that could feel anything other than pity for such a [man]?". Possibly Rey also feels like he would have been able to stop whatever ailment befell Surma that made her bedridden.
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Post by hajo on Dec 15, 2008 23:21:14 GMT
guess that the "young man" he killed was Annie's dad. He would have done so to get him out of the way so he and Surma could be together. Makes sense? No, Annie told us that she wouldn't hear of her father for two years, so he cannot be dead yet.
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Post by todd on Dec 15, 2008 23:23:31 GMT
I agree with economo: Anthony didn't vanish from Good Hope until *after* Surma died and Annie went to Gunnerkrigg, by which time Reynardine had been imprisoned there for years.
It's a relief to find that Surma's friendship with Reynardine took place before he became a body-snatcher (presumably, he didn't start possessing others or kill the young man until after Surma left the Court). That removes the most disturbing part of the connection: Surma being close to such a being. So Annie will (I suppose) be spared the revelation of "Your mother wasn't as noble as you thought she was."
All the remarks about how popular Surma was point to one of the differences between mother and daughter: Annie's a loner (her only human friend is Kat). Though she hasn't entirely avoided the "love interest" part of her mother's life, since Mort has a crush on her, and maybe Reynardine has some kind of attachment for her. None of the human boys have noticed her yet, though.
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Post by Tierra Y Libertad on Dec 15, 2008 23:42:07 GMT
This raises the possiblity that Reynardine IS Antimony's father, as suggested here.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Dec 15, 2008 23:56:42 GMT
It's been raised before. That theory is like a zombie; no matter how many people try to kill it, it keeps coming back.
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Post by Count Casimir on Dec 16, 2008 3:53:56 GMT
I think that's true of most of the theories we all perpetrate; Tom is really the only man here capable of a clean headshot.
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Post by Goatmon on Dec 16, 2008 6:05:04 GMT
This raises the possiblity that Reynardine IS Antimony's father, as suggested here. See, this is why Tom has ocassioanlly thrown comments like "No, that person is not important" onto his strips. To shoot down very silly theories before they take root.
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Post by Count Casimir on Dec 16, 2008 7:56:27 GMT
goatmon is quite right. To Wild Spec, if it must be said!
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