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Post by jda on Jun 7, 2019 23:26:44 GMT
So Annie can now summon Reynard at will? Like out of her shadow maybe? Perhaps Rey can use fire magic! I really do hope yes. "Reynardine! I choose you!" "I really wish Kat hadn't introduced you to that series." ** Reynardine uses Fire Magic! It's super effective! ** What Is happening? Your ReynarToy is evolving! (Flash of old and new image supperposing rapidly) *Kaching* It evolved to FireFox! (It Is sued that very momento, but it wass Worth it)
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Post by warrl on Jun 7, 2019 23:43:00 GMT
To me the puzzle about Rey is his shapechanging ability. The Reynard of Belgian-French folklore didn't have it. It isn't identified as a gift Coyote game him (and Coyote still had it after Rey moved into Annie's toy). And it certainly isn't an attribute of the toy. So where does it come from? Actually, Clippy said it was a gift from Coyote right on the previous page. No, that's an ability to move from one body to another, not an ability to change the shape of the body he has.
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Post by hp on Jun 7, 2019 23:44:04 GMT
Another alchemical tidbit: Mercury and Sulfur (a fire element! nice Annie symbolism...) were thought to be two of the primal elements, and that correctly combining them in the correct manner and proportions could transform the mixture into any metal (transformation -> becoming a new element = body snatching? ). Would suggest the merging of some Annie's fire abilities into newly minted familiar Rey could be quite a potent combination.... IDG the sulfur point... Her symbol is that of antimony, her namesake element. Did you just mix up the element or were you referring something else? To me the puzzle about Rey is his shapechanging ability. The Reynard of Belgian-French folklore didn't have it. It isn't identified as a gift Coyote game him (and Coyote still had it after Rey moved into Annie's toy). And it certainly isn't an attribute of the toy. So where does it come from? Actually, Clippy said it was a gift from Coyote right on the previous page. I think he meant how he changes from wolf to toy to buff toy and such... Shapechanging, not bodysnatching
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Post by brilliantgrey on Jun 7, 2019 23:47:28 GMT
So Annie's fire is currently split between three entities? (although I guess the two Annies probably don't constitute a split since they're just a temporal displacement. Maybe??)
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Post by dramastix on Jun 8, 2019 0:45:32 GMT
Actually, Clippy said it was a gift from Coyote right on the previous page. No, that's an ability to move from one body to another, not an ability to change the shape of the body he has. I always assumed it was a product of his existing in a toy; it's what he implies on this page when his large wolf form is first introduced. He can only become forms of wolf because the toy is representative of a Wolf. So, puppy wolf, regular wolf, weird ripped wolf....
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Post by rosesonthewall on Jun 8, 2019 3:23:20 GMT
I sort of wonder if we are going to see Jack's witchy friend again, so that Annie and Renard can get some pointers on how to best leverage their new relationship. Ooh, great idea! I’d love to see Jenny again
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Post by grahamf on Jun 8, 2019 8:48:36 GMT
[Reynardine has learned Flame]
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 8, 2019 10:23:01 GMT
I think he meant how he changes from wolf to toy to buff toy and such... Shapechanging, not bodysnatching Actually, Clippy said it was a gift from Coyote right on the previous page. No, that's an ability to move from one body to another, not an ability to change the shape of the body he has. My bad, I mixed it up! But yes, the ability seems to be limited by the "basic" form of his body. An interesting detail might be the following: When they meet in the Court, Ysengrin is angry Renard took the form of a wolf, but not surprised. This might mean Renard had this ability before leaving the forest and Ysengrin knew of it.
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Post by DonDueed on Jun 8, 2019 11:12:05 GMT
I think he meant how he changes from wolf to toy to buff toy and such... Shapechanging, not bodysnatching No, that's an ability to move from one body to another, not an ability to change the shape of the body he has. My bad, I mixed it up! But yes, the ability seems to be limited by the "basic" form of his body. An interesting detail might be the following: When they meet in the Court, Ysengrin is angry Renard took the form of a wolf, but not surprised. This might mean Renard had this ability before leaving the forest and Ysengrin knew of it. If that's the case, then entering a wolf-shaped toy may have actually restricted that ability to only wolf-shaped transformations.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 8, 2019 11:43:45 GMT
Renard always was a trickster; that's why Coyote liked/likes him. Disguise and possibly limited shapechanging should be par for the course. And he can hide inside of plants, maybe.
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Post by saardvark on Jun 8, 2019 13:22:40 GMT
Another alchemical tidbit: Mercury and Sulfur (a fire element! nice Annie symbolism...) were thought to be two of the primal elements, and that correctly combining them in the correct manner and proportions could transform the mixture into any metal (transformation -> becoming a new element = body snatching? ). Would suggest the merging of some Annie's fire abilities into newly minted familiar Rey could be quite a potent combination.... IDG the sulfur point... Her symbol is that of antimony, her namesake element. Did you just mix up the element or were you referring something else? Since Annie is part fire-elemental, and the element sulfur is highly associated with fire (volcanos, brimstone, fires of hell, etc.), and especially now that Rey seems to have acquired some fire abilities, it seemed a good symbolic link, even if Annie hasn't been explicitly linked to sulfur in the comic.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jun 8, 2019 22:29:00 GMT
My bad, I mixed it up! But yes, the ability seems to be limited by the "basic" form of his body. An interesting detail might be the following: When they meet in the Court, Ysengrin is angry Renard took the form of a wolf, but not surprised. This might mean Renard had this ability before leaving the forest and Ysengrin knew of it. If that's the case, then entering a wolf-shaped toy may have actually restricted that ability to only wolf-shaped transformations. Of course, there are OTHER DOLLS he could probably possess...
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jun 8, 2019 23:07:02 GMT
IDG the sulfur point... Her symbol is that of antimony, her namesake element. Did you just mix up the element or were you referring something else? Since Annie is part fire-elemental, and the element sulfur is highly associated with fire (volcanos, brimstone, fires of hell, etc.), and especially now that Rey seems to have acquired some fire abilities, it seemed a good symbolic link, even if Annie hasn't been explicitly linked to sulfur in the comic. Since sulfur smells like rotten eggs, that's probably not a bad thing.
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Post by jda on Jun 9, 2019 3:27:10 GMT
IDG the sulfur point... Her symbol is that of antimony, her namesake element. Did you just mix up the element or were you referring something else? Since Annie is part fire-elemental, and the element sulfur is highly associated with fire (volcanos, brimstone, fires of hell, etc.), and especially now that Rey seems to have acquired some fire abilities, it seemed a good symbolic link, even if Annie hasn't been explicitly linked to sulfur in the comic. I've always strongly suspected that the comic is following an alchemical recipe/procedure more than just allegorically through the Book names. The characters mix, evolve, dissolve,fuse, etc.
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Post by jda on Jun 9, 2019 3:31:10 GMT
BTW, that first panel reinforces my suspicion that Clippy's the real boss here, Saslamel only being "the bad etheric cop", his puppet, ala Wizard of Oz.
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 10, 2019 9:42:46 GMT
Renard always was a trickster; that's why Coyote liked/likes him. Disguise and possibly limited shapechanging should be par for the course. And he can hide inside of plants, maybe. Thinking more about this, it definitely must have been limited. Otherwise he could have just shapechanged into a proper human form instead of needing to steal a human body.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 10, 2019 10:58:57 GMT
Renard always was a trickster; that's why Coyote liked/likes him. Disguise and possibly limited shapechanging should be par for the course. And he can hide inside of plants, maybe. Thinking more about this, it definitely must have been limited. Otherwise he could have just shapechanged into a proper human form instead of needing to steal a human body. I agree that it must be the case any forms he could assume weren't going to get him anywhere with Surma one way or another but there's more than two solutions in the possibility set here... Maybe he could assume a fully human form but only briefly or there was a condition that made it unworthy for wooing in some way (for example, if someone knows it's him the disguise comes undone) or maybe he could only manage an anthro/humanoid form (and therefore would need other disguise aids to pass). It's been a really long time and I'm too lazy to look it up properly but if I remember correctly the reasons we settled on for Renard not taking the test and getting a human body that way were that 1. he'd probably have to give up his effective immortality, possibly in a way that involves humiliation and pain at the hands of Ys, and 2. he'd have a child's body... so whatever abilities he has shouldn't* be able to cover the gap from child to "proper" human either. *That said, it's possible that they would have come close and he didn't want to risk getting found out and stuck in the Court with nothing to show for it after having given up his body and immortality, or even that he asked Coyote for the ability to take bodies because that way someone who wasn't him would have to give up his body, but I'm not sure Renard would have been capable of that if he knew he had another way... so until more evidence comes along I'm sticking with the "shouldn't be able to cover the gap" assessment.
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Post by blazingstar on Jun 11, 2019 4:26:02 GMT
Hmm, just the interpreter, right? BTW, that first panel reinforces my suspicion that Clippy's the real boss here, Saslamel only being "the bad etheric cop", his puppet, ala Wizard of Oz. I disagree. Just like in court, the bailiff / police officer may read charges and use handcuffs to lock up the defendant (at least they do in Judge Judy), but the judge is the one who made the ruling in the first place to use those handcuffs. Clippy interprets the ruling, and also carry it out. But the decision was still Saslamel's in the first place.
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