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Post by Futurismo on May 24, 2019 7:00:58 GMT
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Post by dramastix on May 24, 2019 7:03:24 GMT
And apparently Renard has to get into his toy body to get appropriately indignant.
Edit: Has anyone considered just.... destroying the arrow? Of course, Kat would probably need to start from scratch on a lot of her work, but maybe if the arbiter is willing to, I don't know, work on a new contract with her, she could catch herself back up.
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Post by Sky Schemer on May 24, 2019 7:04:01 GMT
Don't worry, it's not a jail. It's just a jail.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 24, 2019 7:05:35 GMT
Gee, if only Kat wasn't the registered owner of the arrow. Like, for example, if she gave the arrow to the arbitrator. You know, the arrow that can do a lot of damage to the arbitrator's bureaucracy. That arrow. Then they wouldn't have to put her in jail, maybe.
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Post by dramastix on May 24, 2019 7:07:41 GMT
Also, have Annie's eyes ever been red like that before? Even when she's in full elemental mode, they're more orange than anything.
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Post by madjack on May 24, 2019 7:11:55 GMT
Yikes, looks like getting branded with the mark of the creator means you also inherit the past creator's mistakes. OR maybe that's just what Clippy's paperwork shows and they don't know the title has changed hands?
Edit: Also, Saslamel seems to understand Clippy's english just fine... Hmm.
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Post by Angry Individual on May 24, 2019 7:17:23 GMT
Gee, if only Kat wasn't the registered owner of the arrow. Like, for example, if she gave the arrow to the arbitrator. You know, the arrow that can do a lot of damage to the arbitrator's bureaucracy. That arrow. Then they wouldn't have to put her in jail, maybe. Put the arbitrator in the arrow. He can't send her to jail if he's lock in an endless hell maze!
Problem solved.
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Post by manabi on May 24, 2019 7:19:14 GMT
And apparently Renard has to get into his toy body to get appropriately indignant. Edit: Has anyone considered just.... destroying the arrow? Of course, Kat would probably need to start from scratch on a lot of her work, but maybe if the arbiter is willing to, I don't know, work on a new contract with her, she could catch herself back up. They want the arrow and any possibility it can be recreated removed. Kat already made something similar ( 1725 and seen better in 1740) that allowed her to interfere with Diego's arrow so that Annie and Jeanne's lover could escape it. I don't believe there's been any mention of that device since. So there's three possibilities here: 1. They're talking about Diego's arrow; 2. They're talking about Kat's recreation/tool-based-on Diego's arrow, or 3. They want both of those. In all three cases they want Kat locked away so she can't make new ones or teach anyone else how to make new ones. Presumably they'll also want the pages of Diego's notes that Kat used to make her version, as well as any notes Kat made on the process. This is going to be tricky for Kat, her knowledge in this one particular area is seriously dangerous to the ether and etheric beings. (Also living ones, since the arrow can trap souls of living people. Jeanne was alive for a while after the arrow killed her lover.) |
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Post by MarineMonarch on May 24, 2019 7:20:16 GMT
Aw, both Annies flaring up simultaneously to defend Kat is really cute.
That "mind jail" concept is definitely spooky. Best case scenario they just limit knowledge about the arrow, worst case it sounds more like brain-dampening lobotomy. I'm inclined to believe it's the former, but I'm not counting out the later.
Also Renard asking for an explanation and Clippy just saying sure threw me a little. I think I'm not used to things just being explained in this comic.
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Post by saardvark on May 24, 2019 7:20:36 GMT
They can surrender the arrow, but maybe the problem is (also) the knowledge of how the arrow works, the ability to recreate it. Just getting rid of the arrow is pointless if it can easily be recreated....
edit: oops! manabi beat me to the idea while I was typing this... I agree! (tip-of-the-hat to manabi...)
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Post by theonethatgotaway on May 24, 2019 7:21:54 GMT
Don't worry, it's not a jail. It's just a jail. It's NOT a physical hell pit where you'll be trapped for all eternity, only a MENTAL hell pit, where your mind will be trapped, unable to form a single coherent thou... Oh, well, seems it IS BOTH, isn't that jolly? Ok, so could you just step this way into this here Iron Maiden please? Don't worry, it's only figurativ... oh, no, I'm being told it is an ACTUAL iron maiden, hahaha, so sorry, it's been a long time since we had to do this, I'm pretty new on the job. |
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Post by bicarbonat on May 24, 2019 7:28:30 GMT
The cuter the arbiter looks, the worse they get. Saslamel, on the other hand...hard to read.
I want to see their papers, recs, LinkedIn connections, something. Where's an ant sacrifice when you need it? I'd love to see if Ketrak or even Muut knows about these guys, and are aware of what is most assuredly some kind of etheric dirty cop con.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 24, 2019 7:32:03 GMT
The cuter the arbiter looks, the worse they get. Saslamel, on the other hand... hard to read. I want to see their papers, recs, LinkedIn connections, something. Where's an ant sacrifice when you need it? I'd love to see if Ketrak or even Muut knows about these guys, and are aware of what is most assuredly some kind of etheric dirty cop con. I suspect they're authentic but asking for their credentials would be a good delay tactic. But it does seem like they're trying to buffalo the kids out of something valuable and useful, doesn't it? Gee, if only Kat wasn't the registered owner of the arrow. Like, for example, if she gave the arrow to the arbitrator. You know, the arrow that can do a lot of damage to the arbitrator's bureaucracy. That arrow. Then they wouldn't have to put her in jail, maybe. Put the arbitrator in the arrow. He can't send her to jail if he's lock in an endless hell maze! Problem solved.
I guess we may find out if Kat finished her planned restraint system. You'd think it'd be a priority considering there's forest creatures mucking around the Court these days. But if that fails the Antimonies could send an etheric distress call to "Loup." I bet he'd relish the chance to show off his ability to defend her/them and her/their friends. |
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Post by saardvark on May 24, 2019 7:33:13 GMT
The cuter the arbiter looks, the worse they get. Saslamel, on the other hand... hard to read. I want to see their papers, recs, LinkedIn connections, something. Where's an ant sacrifice when you need it? I'd love to see if Ketrak or even Muut knows about these guys, and are aware of what is most assuredly some kind of etheric dirty cop con. yeah yeah... that's it! - these guys are etheric con artists from the same group of sleaze-oids that duped Tony into almost killing his daughter.... they want the arrow for their own nefarious purposes! |
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Post by sicklykobold on May 24, 2019 7:37:17 GMT
It's still kinda ambiguous, but I'm pretty sure they're talking about imprisoning Annies, not Kat.
Basing that on the fact that 99.99% of the terrible things in this comic happen to Annie.
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Post by madjack on May 24, 2019 7:37:52 GMT
The cuter the arbiter looks, the worse they get. Saslamel, on the other hand... hard to read. I want to see their papers, recs, LinkedIn connections, something. Where's an ant sacrifice when you need it? I'd love to see if Ketrak or even Muut knows about these guys, and are aware of what is most assuredly some kind of etheric dirty cop con. yeah yeah... that's it! - these guys are etheric con artists from the same group of sleaze-oids that duped Tony into almost killing his daughter.... they want the arrow for their own nefarious purposes! Great(?) minds think alike, bicarbonat 's post sparked a similar idea here (posted over in wildspec), except they're trying to cover their tracks rather than run a scam. |
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Post by bicarbonat on May 24, 2019 7:38:03 GMT
Aw, both Annies flaring up simultaneously to defend Kat is really cute. That "mind jail" concept is definitely spooky. Best case scenario they just limit knowledge about the arrow, worst case it sounds more like brain-dampening lobotomy. I'm inclined to believe it's the former, but I'm not counting out the later. Also Renard asking for an explanation and Clippy just saying sure threw me a little. I think I'm not used to things just being explained in this comic.Something tells me that explanation is going to be 100% breezy and 0% comforting, and that that is the arbiter's bag: to be technically helpful and actually terrible. They're the fine print that nails you to the wall with knowledge, but no layman's translation or meaningful counsel. Dispatching people & tasks is pleasant work when your only concern is the letter of the law, and you're the only one with the law book. |
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Post by saardvark on May 24, 2019 7:50:37 GMT
yeah yeah... that's it! - these guys are etheric con artists from the same group of sleaze-oids that duped Tony into almost killing his daughter.... they want the arrow for their own nefarious purposes! Great(?) minds think alike, maybe warped(?) minds...?  |
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Post by madjack on May 24, 2019 7:51:46 GMT
Great(?) minds think alike, maybe warped(?) minds...? |
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Post by rafk on May 24, 2019 9:25:36 GMT
This feels very realm of the dead to me... suspect it is about 10% as serious as it sounds.
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Post by Corvo on May 24, 2019 9:38:40 GMT
I think I'm not used to things just being explained in this comic. |
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Post by Gemini Jim on May 24, 2019 11:27:16 GMT
Yikes, looks like getting branded with the mark of the creator means you also inherit the past creator's mistakes. OR maybe that's just what Clippy's paperwork shows and they don't know the title has changed hands? Edit: Also, Saslamel seems to understand Clippy's english just fine... Hmm. Unless Clippy isn’t speaking English and there’s some sort of universal translator thing going on. Saslamel is too stubborn to use it. |
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Post by Gemini Jim on May 24, 2019 11:35:44 GMT
Also, have Annie's eyes ever been red like that before? Even when she's in full elemental mode, they're more orange than anything. She looks half-human, half-elemental in the first panel. It’s an odd, Simpsonesque look. |
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Post by DonDueed on May 24, 2019 11:42:23 GMT
"A state of having your mind restricted so you can't cause trouble" would be far worse than physical jail, especially for a spark like Kat.
tl:dr: Do worry.
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Post by caber on May 24, 2019 12:13:27 GMT
You know, I know they’d never ACTUALLY lay this trump card on the table, but all it’d take is for Annie(s) to say, “Loupe, I need your help!” Nuclear option.  Edit: also, kinda sucks that the Annie’s don’t own the arrow, otherwise they could probably swing diplomatic immunity, since they ARE technically still etherically recognized officials of the forest. |
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Post by Per on May 24, 2019 12:40:00 GMT
Typo: "it's owner".
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Post by todd on May 24, 2019 12:47:55 GMT
Calling on Loup to solve this problem would probably allow him to do more damage to the Court in so doing.
But Kat has brought this trouble upon herself. There was no need to use the arrow to transfer ownership of Reynardine back to Annie; Annie had turned him over to Kat without its help. She used it only for the sake of studying it (and almost seemed, in her excitement about doing so, to have forgotten that it was created to carry out a bad deed that had so filled her with revulsion that she didn't even want to use any of the discoveries of the man responsible for a long time). This wouldn't be happening if she'd just given Rey back the same way Annie had given him to her.
(It might be a parallel to Kat's robot project - ostensibly, its purpose was to give Robot a new body to replace the paperclipped one, but it became increasingly clear that she was doing it for the excitement of it and that Robot's plight was just the catalyst.)
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Post by todd on May 24, 2019 12:48:55 GMT
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Post by pyradonis on May 24, 2019 13:29:17 GMT
The cuter the arbiter looks, the worse they get. Saslamel, on the other hand... hard to read. I want to see their papers, recs, LinkedIn connections, something. Where's an ant sacrifice when you need it? I'd love to see if Ketrak or even Muut knows about these guys, and are aware of what is most assuredly some kind of etheric dirty cop con. I suspect they're authentic but asking for their credentials would be a good delay tactic. But it does seem like they're trying to buffalo the kids out of something valuable and useful, doesn't it? Put the arbitrator in the arrow. He can't send her to jail if he's lock in an endless hell maze! Problem solved.
I guess we may find out if Kat finished her planned restraint system. You'd think it'd be a priority considering there's forest creatures mucking around the Court these days. But if that fails the Antimonies could send an etheric distress call to "Loup." I bet he'd relish the chance to show off his ability to defend her/them and her/their friends. Oh, he would. But I doubt Kat and the Annies would relish being in Loup's debt, of all creatures.
Yikes, looks like getting branded with the mark of the creator means you also inherit the past creator's mistakes. OR maybe that's just what Clippy's paperwork shows and they don't know the title has changed hands? Edit: Also, Saslamel seems to understand Clippy's english just fine... Hmm. I was thinking the same thing. How did the arbiter know what the interpreter was saying? Of course, there several possible answers. a) He understands English, but does not care to speak it; in fact I know people from different countries who all understand German very well but never try speaking it. b) Clippy is an etheric interpreter, and every creature hears them speak just in their own native language. c) Saslamel knows Clippy always forgets that the jail is also physical, and he deduced from Clippy's body language what they were about to say.
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Post by caber on May 24, 2019 13:49:17 GMT
Calling on Loup to solve this problem would probably allow him to do more damage to the Court in so doing. But Kat has brought this trouble upon herself. There was no need to use the arrow to transfer ownership of Reynardine back to Annie; Annie had turned him over to Kat without its help. She used it only for the sake of studying it (and almost seemed, in her excitement about doing so, to have forgotten that it was created to carry out a bad deed that had so filled her with revulsion that she didn't even want to use any of the discoveries of the man responsible for a long time). This wouldn't be happening if she'd just given Rey back the same way Annie had given him to her. (It might be a parallel to Kat's robot project - ostensibly, its purpose was to give Robot a new body to replace the paperclipped one, but it became increasingly clear that she was doing it for the excitement of it and that Robot's plight was just the catalyst.) 1. Yes, hence labeling it a nuclear option. 2. While a valid point, to draw on real world legal concepts: minors are usually treated differently than adults. Now obviously the ethric courts need not necessarily abide by this; in fact the concept of a ‘minor’ may well be inapplicable to most of the spirit world, but there is a reason the concept exists; for all of her mind-bending brilliance, Kat is still a child, and thus lacks the ABILITY to reason and think about the full ramifications of her actions. At her age, her prefrontal cortex (the ‘seat of reason’) is still that of a child, grossly impairing her ability to comprehend the long term ramifications of her actions. This is independent of genius level intellect, for the most part. Now I will grant you: we also don’t know her sentence; it could be a short sentence while they essentially purge her mind of any knowledge pertaining to the arrow. |
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