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Post by bedinsis on May 1, 2019 7:03:25 GMT
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Post by madjack on May 1, 2019 7:07:01 GMT
New hypothesis: Kat is going to use the tooth and her newfound knowledge of how etheric ownership works to triangulate the location of the bone and water. Or maybe they're going to use the sword to severe the contract of ownership between (one or both) Annie and Rey so that he's free to.... do something related to Loup? I'll shout these ones for being the negative nancy, good call.
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Post by dramastix on May 1, 2019 7:07:28 GMT
GIMME THE COOKIES.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 1, 2019 7:07:40 GMT
Even more impressive would be Kat using her computer to find and translocate the gifts back (the container the lake water was in is probably crushed so that would save a lot of time and effort).
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Post by blackmantha on May 1, 2019 7:17:01 GMT
He didn't even mention it. So could the water be the memory of the tooth?
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Post by madjack on May 1, 2019 7:22:16 GMT
He didn't even mention it. So could the water be the memory of the tooth? That might be what Rey is already thinking.
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Post by flowsthead on May 1, 2019 7:31:30 GMT
Coyote seemed a little more lax about Smitty and Parley talking about their gifts, whereas Annie wasn't allowed to talk about the tooth to anyone in the forest. Maybe Loup's memories of those gifts are based on the general knowledge in the Forest. Though the memory being in the water/bone sounds more likely than my theory.
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Post by arf on May 1, 2019 7:32:59 GMT
He didn't even mention it. So could the water be the memory of the tooth? That might be what Rey is already thinking. This was speculated on when Loup asked for Coyote's gifts back (sans tooth). One may be memory of the tooth. The other may be a copy of Coyote himself (plus memory of creating *that*). Why do the two separately? Possibly to jog other people's memories, so they can speculate as Rey is doing.
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Post by madjack on May 1, 2019 7:36:20 GMT
Which means Tom's got a curveball ready.
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Post by arf on May 1, 2019 7:38:03 GMT
Coyote seemed a little more lax about Smitty and Parley talking about their gifts, whereas Annie wasn't allowed to talk about the tooth to anyone in the forest. Maybe Loup's memories of those gifts are based on the general knowledge in the Forest. Though the memory being in the water/bone sounds more likely than my theory. We think Coyote was able to hide the memory of the tooth in either the bone or the water. How could Coyote hide the memory of giving them to Smitty and Parley without destroying it?
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Post by avurai on May 1, 2019 8:54:41 GMT
Coyote seemed a little more lax about Smitty and Parley talking about their gifts, whereas Annie wasn't allowed to talk about the tooth to anyone in the forest. Maybe Loup's memories of those gifts are based on the general knowledge in the Forest. Though the memory being in the water/bone sounds more likely than my theory. Since Coyote told Annie “I. DO NOT. EXIST.” I think this theory might have some credence. Perhaps Annie could be the only one made aware of the tooth because, should anyone else in the forest become aware of it, it would alter the properties he had endowed it with. Belief is his lifeblood. Maybe Coyote planned this all along. That tooth brought Shadow into three-dimensions, so it’s interesting he’s here when it’s brought up again and being examined. Maybe Coyote had plans for Shadow too.
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Post by flowsthead on May 1, 2019 9:11:32 GMT
Coyote seemed a little more lax about Smitty and Parley talking about their gifts, whereas Annie wasn't allowed to talk about the tooth to anyone in the forest. Maybe Loup's memories of those gifts are based on the general knowledge in the Forest. Though the memory being in the water/bone sounds more likely than my theory. Since Coyote told Annie “I. DO NOT. EXIST.” I think this theory might have some credence. Perhaps Annie could be the only one made aware of the tooth because, should anyone else in the forest become aware of it, it would alter the properties he had endowed it with. Belief is his lifeblood. Maybe Coyote planned this all along. That tooth brought Shadow into three-dimensions, so it’s interesting he’s here when it’s brought up again and being examined. Maybe Coyote had plans for Shadow too. Yeah, I mean, maybe I just haven't fully bought into Loup, but I still think Coyote is working something here. The second panel in 1952 here www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1952 looks like Coyote smiling. I realize he is upside down so he is actually frowning, but because he is drawn upside down he still looks like he is grinning. I feel like Tom's the type to do that on purpose, but maybe that just adds to the ambiguity.
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Post by alinga on May 1, 2019 10:18:16 GMT
What if the tooth is for separating Coyote and Ysengrin again?
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Post by turion on May 1, 2019 10:51:24 GMT
What if the tooth is for separating Coyote and Ysengrin again? I was going to suggest exactly that
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Post by pyradonis on May 1, 2019 11:06:51 GMT
What if the tooth is for separating Coyote and Ysengrin again? I was going to suggest exactly that I replied to the same suggestion in the last thread, allow me to just link to the post.
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Post by alinga on May 1, 2019 11:39:06 GMT
I was going to suggest exactly that I replied to the same suggestion in the last thread, allow me to just link to the post. Thanks! That's fun to read through. I figured it had probably been talked about but couldn't find it. This has also probably already been discussed, but I looked back on the chapter where Coyote gives Annie the tooth, and I was surprised by how much that chapter seems to relate to what is going on now. I'd forgotten it happened just after Coyote showed Annie what Ysengrin's body is like within the tree body, and taught her how to look at him in the ether. Look at this page in particular. There's a picture of the three versions of Ysengrin, and then Coyote tells Annie to keep in mind the real Ysengrin, and gives her the tooth as an apology. (Also, that chapter was called the Old Dog's Tricks. )
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Post by netherdan on May 1, 2019 11:58:03 GMT
He didn't even mention it. So could the water be the memory of the tooth? Nah, Loup said the bone is a memory and Coyote said to Parley that he was the lake water. But could the bone hold more than one memory? Could the other items also hold memories aside from their primary functions? Is it possible that Coyote's powers are simply the memories of the methods used to execute them, and thus why they're flawed when passed on? Could they even be the memories of the etheric consciousness (souls) that bestowed him with those powers through belief? The answer to all these questions is "maybe"
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Post by coastal on May 1, 2019 12:08:28 GMT
Renard, asking the real questions. Renard deserves a lot of appreciation, you guys.
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Post by apache on May 1, 2019 14:12:07 GMT
Renard, asking the real questions. Renard deserves a lot of appreciation, you guys. It's almost like he's sneaky like a fox.
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Post by Per on May 1, 2019 14:35:48 GMT
Renard, asking the real questions. Renard deserves a lot of appreciation, you guys. With all the analysis and speculation being done in the forum, it's easy to forget that it sometimes makes sense to have the characters do the same on the page (and often with access to less context).
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Post by tustin2121 on May 1, 2019 15:24:13 GMT
So when Kat says she can make a tracking device to look for the Coyote gifts, does she mean she can technimagically materialize it thanks to her new computer setup? Or does she have to actually put elbow grease into the matter now (which presumably means teleporting some stuff into her shop for her to work and/or teleporting herself into the secret location of her shop to do work)?
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Post by Gemini Jim on May 1, 2019 18:30:45 GMT
So when Kat says she can make a tracking device to look for the Coyote gifts, does she mean she can technimagically materialize it thanks to her new computer setup? Or does she have to actually put elbow grease into the matter now (which presumably means teleporting some stuff into her shop for her to work and/or teleporting herself into the secret location of her shop to do work)? I suppose it depends upon how advanced her CAD software is, and whether she actually likes to get hands-on when she tinkers with stuff. I also wonder if the tooth can be replicated, or if a copy of the tooth would be just a tooth.
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Post by netherdan on May 1, 2019 19:07:37 GMT
I suppose it depends upon how advanced her CAD software is, and whether she actually likes to get hands-on when she tinkers with stuff. I also wonder if the tooth can be replicated, or if a copy of the tooth would be just a tooth. Computer Assisted Divine? That sounds about right! Maybe she can analyze the Annies and make a simple matter duplication device, which could evolve into an etheric replicating device that creates imperfect copies. And so the tooth could in theory be duplicated with some of its powers, but it would have a major flaw... Of course it would cut through anything, but it wouldn't make majestic Coyote noises!
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Post by saardvark on May 1, 2019 19:35:45 GMT
I suppose it depends upon how advanced her CAD software is, and whether she actually likes to get hands-on when she tinkers with stuff. I also wonder if the tooth can be replicated, or if a copy of the tooth would be just a tooth. Computer Assisted Divine? That sounds about right! Maybe she can analyze the Annies and make a simple matter duplication device, which could evolve into an etheric replicating device that creates imperfect copies. And so the tooth could in theory be duplicated with some of its powers, but it would have a major flaw... Of course it would cut through anything, but it wouldn't make majestic Coyote noises! If you can duplicate things, could you UN-duplicate them - make two into one? Apply to Annies.... etc Or the replicated tooth would only giggle a lot, but be thwarted by soft butter. (EDIT: actually, that does sound like a trick/joke Coyote would pull - make the knife so that if you try to duplicate it, it becomes completely useless as a knife, but just snickers annoyingly all the time... )
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Post by warrl on May 1, 2019 23:58:42 GMT
And I just had the thought of a super-sharp knife that, for some unknown reason, simply cannot cut butter, period. Anything else, no problem - butter, it's stopped.
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Post by tustin2121 on May 2, 2019 16:20:27 GMT
And I just had the thought of a super-sharp knife that, for some unknown reason, simply cannot cut butter, period. Anything else, no problem - butter, it's stopped. New Recruit: "So, uh, why are we smearing our armor with butter?" General: "To make us immune to the Great Sword." New Recruit: "...I'm sorry, what?" Lieutenant, running in: "Sir! We just found out the fourth squadron couldn't find butter at the store, so they purchased I Can't Believe It's Not Butter instead!!" General: "THE FOOLS! They'll be sliced down in an instant! Tell them to retreat immediately!!"
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Post by saardvark on May 2, 2019 18:39:09 GMT
And I just had the thought of a super-sharp knife that, for some unknown reason, simply cannot cut butter, period. Anything else, no problem - butter, it's stopped. New Recruit: "So, uh, why are we smearing our armor with butter?" General: "To make us immune to the Great Sword." New Recruit: "...I'm sorry, what?" Lieutenant, running in: "Sir! We just found out the fourth squadron couldn't find butter at the store, so they purchased I Can't Believe It's Not Butter instead!!" General: "THE FOOLS! They'll be sliced down in an instant! Tell them to retreat immediately!!" ... and thus for want of a stick of butter, the Great Sword giggled to victory, and battle was lost and the empire fell....
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