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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 20, 2019 8:06:27 GMT
I wouldn't want to wait down there for an hour either, even with no blue thing. Dunno what Courtnie's thinking. And I've said it before but I'll say it again, these tunnels are too big for mere sewers. |
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Post by saardvark on Feb 20, 2019 8:24:19 GMT
Big blue thing (Monky? Dunky?) seems pretty slow. Heavy head shield slowing it down!
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Post by madjack on Feb 20, 2019 8:27:25 GMT
It doesn't seem like Annie to just accept that they're helpless like that like Courtnie has just done.
There also still hasn't been any physical contact yet has there?
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Post by kayback on Feb 20, 2019 8:32:49 GMT
. And I've said it before but I'll say it again, these tunnels are too big for mere sewers. You underestimate the amount of Sierra Hotel India the Court produces! Is it just me or is !Forest Annie full of pluck and initiative while ¡Court Annie is reacting in a robotic, programmed, simulacra rule following sort of way? |
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Post by Per on Feb 20, 2019 8:37:24 GMT
Forest Annie is assuming Parley didn't level up her skills any in six months?
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Post by Eily on Feb 20, 2019 8:37:41 GMT
It started raining down again. And why is Courtnie the one who thinks "Waiting is probably just fine"? She has lived in a warzone for the past six months, or is she just confident enough in her laser abilities that she just forgot the very concept of caution? "Parley can't teleport great distances", that was six months ago, before the Court she is supposed to help protect was under attack. Edit: ++ Per then  |
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Post by philman on Feb 20, 2019 8:37:52 GMT
Hmm, it's nice that we can see the root where Loup's flower came from, but why would it be hugging the wall like that? Wouldn't roots usually be seeking water, so make more sense to go through the plentiful supply of water that is obviously on the ground there.
Of course I might just be over-thinking the biology of a magical tree with specific human-seeking properties.
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Post by Lizuka on Feb 20, 2019 8:38:17 GMT
Honestly this does kind of cast Court Annie in all the more suspicious of a light for me, since, "Let's just wait for someone to bail us out," seems like something Annie wouldn't ordinarily say.
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Post by madjack on Feb 20, 2019 9:24:24 GMT
Is it just me or is !Forest Annie full of pluck and initiative while ¡Court Annie is reacting in a robotic, programmed, simulacra rule following sort of way? Perhaps we've been looking at Annie's "split" the wrong way. I'd be willing to bet Loup has split her off not for the things he prizes in her, but for the things she prizes in herself. Forest!Annie being the side of her she likes and Court!Annie being the things she doesn't. So we end up with Forest!Annie being someone come into her own, with direction, determination and awareness while Court!Annie is an extension of the little girl she was growing up under her father, obedient and subservient, never thinking for herself. That seems like the kind of gift an insane, narcisstic, obsessed god would give his favourite morality pet. "Look, I split all your self-hatred and doubts and dislikes off of you and put it onto another you!" Edit: Hell, maybe it's even simpler than that. Forest!Annie got Surma's traits while Court!Annie got Anthony's. But then again, Surma was pretty useless outside her element... |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 20, 2019 9:30:03 GMT
Is it just me or is !Forest Annie full of pluck and initiative while ¡Court Annie is reacting in a robotic, programmed, simulacra rule following sort of way? After pondering it for a good while I think the twins are both focused on the same goal but have incompatible ideas on how to get there. Fannie's still used to adventuring and fighting alone and not knowing where she is or where she's going; Courtnie may have gathered more experience but has gotten used to fighting with allies. As a general rule if you're lost and separated from your 'mates you should stay put until they find you or (if you can) go where they expect you to be.* But in this case that probably isn't the best course of action. Courtnie's idea of waiting is probably the fastest way to get back with familiar faces.** The problem is they are facing an unknown (probably hostile maybe hungry) creature in disadvantageous terrain. If they get cornered they're going to find out exactly who has how much plot armor. Now we see if Courtnie is smart enough to stick with Fannie and go forward, or if she's pft-y enough to split up. The latter would be more exciting. *Ever played a fps (1st person shooter) and, while running from something really tough, gotten driven into territory you haven't explored yet and don't know anything about? Sometimes it works out. Sometimes it doesn't. **Or it should, assuming that the phones in the bunker aren't working and the exits are sealed. But they'll have to survive that long. |
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 20, 2019 10:41:42 GMT
Heh. All this talk last page about "will they fight it or befriend it?", and now they just run away. I am also surprised that Courtney shows a certain lack of initiative. Of course waiting for Parley makes some sense, but it is just not Annie-like... . And I've said it before but I'll say it again, these tunnels are too big for mere sewers. You underestimate the amount of Sierra Hotel India the Court produces! Is it just me or is !Forest Annie full of pluck and initiative while ¡Court Annie is reacting in a robotic, programmed, simulacra rule following sort of way? Did you forget a Tango there, or did I just misunderstand? |
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Post by fjodorii on Feb 20, 2019 10:47:19 GMT
If Court Annie is in fact a Forest being in disguise, under the protection of Loup, she might not be scared of forest monsters so just sitting and waiting for the hour to pass is a reasonable option. Also, the 'attack' from the monster doesn't look very targeted.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 20, 2019 11:24:42 GMT
Hmm, it's nice that we can see the root where Loup's flower came from, but why would it be hugging the wall like that? Wouldn't roots usually be seeking water, so make more sense to go through the plentiful supply of water that is obviously on the ground there. Of course I might just be over-thinking the biology of a magical tree with specific human-seeking properties. It might be something as simple as the root following the easiest/shortest route to its target. Using the bottom of the tunnel to corner would put it slightly farther away than clinging to a wall. Or maybe it doesn't like the osmotic pressure of being submerged, a lot of plants don't. Also, the 'attack' from the monster doesn't look very targeted. To Be Honest I can't make sense of the blue creature's movements in the last couple pages. My current operating assumption is that it was a series of youthful misunderstandings a confusing first encounter. The creature, somewhat surprised by the twins falling through the ceiling so quickly, missed a first casual swipe at Courtnie, saw her slip and fall and (thinking she was diving to escape) forgot how shallow the water is and tried to crashdive below Courtnie with the intent to follow that up by using the momentum and resistance of the water to rise quickly again from underneath her to trap her against the surface (which might work very well against a fish in a deep body of water). The aborted dive caused the creature's junk underside to impact the chunks of broken concrete which caused it enough discomfort/confusion to allow the twins to round the corner. It may continue the chase once it's had a moment to get in touch with its pain. Or maybe it's just jumping up and down and beckoning the twins to come play. We shall see. |
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Post by csj on Feb 20, 2019 11:34:07 GMT
Forest annie is probably best nicknamed Frannie.
I hear removing the r has implications in a certain part of the world... Even if she likes sitting on hers.
Also, damn they fast. I wish I could outrun water fischscorpions.
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Post by madjack on Feb 20, 2019 11:36:23 GMT
Also, damn they fast. I wish I could outrun water fischscorpions. No longer rubbish at running. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 20, 2019 11:53:17 GMT
Forest annie is probably best nicknamed Frannie. I hear removing the r has implications in a certain part of the world... Even if she likes sitting on hers. In New England "Fannie" is not a common given name but you do encounter it occasionally, usually with older people. |
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Post by todd on Feb 20, 2019 12:40:01 GMT
If Court Annie is in fact a Forest being in disguise, under the protection of Loup, If she was, she wouldn't be able to command Reynardine. (I've sometimes wondered whether Tom ought to have come up with a different way of splitting Annie in two that would have made it clearer - to both the rest of the cast and the audience - that it was a case of "They're both the real Annie and this incident is taking place to better explore her character traits, weaknesses, and flaws", rather than having Loup do it - maybe a side-effect of one of the Court's or Kat's experiments. Then I remembered that it'd be harder in that scenario to get in those six months which the short-haired version of Annie had spent with Antony, redeveloping a healthier father-daughter relationship with him - which was crucial to her hostility towards the long-haired version of Annie - so it had to be Loup, despite the above drawback.) |
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Post by ohthatone on Feb 20, 2019 14:20:13 GMT
I've said before that Pft!Annie just doesn't seem to have the same drive as Forest!Annie. Now the question is, will Pft!Annie go with Forest!Annie or will she decide to stay, either through confidence in her power or just stubborness? of course, there's nothing to prevent the waterscorpion from following them until they find a way out of the water...
(do neither of them have the Egger beacon?)
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Post by coastal on Feb 20, 2019 14:27:01 GMT
Is it just me or is !Forest Annie full of pluck and initiative while ¡Court Annie is reacting in a robotic, programmed, simulacra rule following sort of way? Perhaps we've been looking at Annie's "split" the wrong way. I'd be willing to bet Loup has split her off not for the things he prizes in her, but for the things she prizes in herself. Forest!Annie being the side of her she likes and Court!Annie being the things she doesn't. So we end up with Forest!Annie being someone come into her own, with direction, determination and awareness while Court!Annie is an extension of the little girl she was growing up under her father, obedient and subservient, never thinking for herself. That seems like the kind of gift an insane, narcisstic, obsessed god would give his favourite morality pet. "Look, I split all your self-hatred and doubts and dislikes off of you and put it onto another you!" Edit: Hell, maybe it's even simpler than that. Forest!Annie got Surma's traits while Court!Annie got Anthony's. But then again, Surma was pretty useless outside her element... This makes a certain amount of sense. But there's another simpler explanation besides dividing by parents' traits. Perhaps they are really split along the lines of which traits are more suitable for the Court, and which are more suitable for the Forest. (I don't think I'm the first person to have said this, but I don't remember who was.)
Also, that water sure doesn't look like it's just water.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Feb 20, 2019 14:37:22 GMT
Hmm, it's nice that we can see the root where Loup's flower came from, but why would it be hugging the wall like that? Wouldn't roots usually be seeking water, so make more sense to go through the plentiful supply of water that is obviously on the ground there. Of course I might just be over-thinking the biology of a magical tree with specific human-seeking properties. It might be something as simple as the root following the easiest/shortest route to its target. Using the bottom of the tunnel to corner would put it slightly farther away than clinging to a wall. Or maybe it doesn't like the osmotic pressure of being submerged, a lot of plants don't. Following the root doesn't seem the wisest course. Up should be the way out and that is not where the root came from. |
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Post by DonDueed on Feb 20, 2019 14:38:14 GMT
Forest annie is probably best nicknamed Frannie. I hear removing the r has implications in a certain part of the world... Even if she likes sitting on hers. In New England "Fannie" is not a common given name but you do encounter it occasionally, usually with older people. There was a well-known Boston cook / cookbook author named Fannie Farmer. That must have evoked some hilarious images for Brits who heard the name. |
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Post by DonDueed on Feb 20, 2019 14:41:18 GMT
(do neither of them have the Egger beacon?) Ghaa... ninja'd. I was just about to post that very question. |
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Post by ctso74 on Feb 20, 2019 14:53:35 GMT
Courtnie failed a dex save and was prone, but the creature didn't even get its attack of opportunity. I'm guessing the water isn't deep enough to be Difficult Terrain, or their movement would be at half-speed.
That "Water Scorpion?" is rather slow. I wonder if on Friday, we'll see it become fluid and reform next to them.
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Post by jda on Feb 20, 2019 15:01:13 GMT
Also, damn they fast. I wish I could outrun water fischscorpions. No longer rubbish at running. Hey, she trained her lungs. |
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Post by Eversist on Feb 20, 2019 16:35:03 GMT
Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but have they touched yet?
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Post by ohthatone on Feb 20, 2019 17:06:55 GMT
Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but have they touched yet? Unless they've touched offscreen when Pft!Annie was giving her clothes, it looks like they have failed to perform scientific test number 1 |
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Post by netherdan on Feb 20, 2019 17:10:36 GMT
Also, that water sure doesn't look like it's just water. And this section doesn't look like it's actually a sewer. imaginaryfriend pointed out that it's too large and I noticed it lacks a central sewage canal. Although I only saw those in movies, they always had maintenance access walkways on the sides with a sweage canal in the middle and never had thick blast doors... Looks like a (deliberately?) flooded section of the sealed bunker made to be suitable for a water cryptid to barge in. Maybe it was even Monky that flooded it and that's why the water looks weird (it's a part or a byproduct of their body) |
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Post by Polyhymnia on Feb 20, 2019 17:31:17 GMT
Is it just me or is !Forest Annie full of pluck and initiative while ¡Court Annie is reacting in a robotic, programmed, simulacra rule following sort of way? After pondering it for a good while I think the twins are both focused on the same goal but have incompatible ideas on how to get there. Fannie's still used to adventuring and fighting alone and not knowing where she is or where she's going; Courtnie may have gathered more experience but has gotten used to fighting with allies. As a general rule if you're lost and separated from your 'mates you should stay put until they find you or (if you can) go where they expect you to be.* But in this case that probably isn't the best course of action. Courtnie's idea of waiting is probably the fastest way to get back with familiar faces.** The problem is they are facing an unknown (probably hostile maybe hungry) creature in disadvantageous terrain. If they get cornered they're going to find out exactly who has how much plot armor. Now we see if Courtnie is smart enough to stick with Fannie and go forward, or if she's pft-y enough to split up. The latter would be more exciting. *Ever played a fps (1st person shooter) and, while running from something really tough, gotten driven into territory you haven't explored yet and don't know anything about? Sometimes it works out. Sometimes it doesn't. **Or it should, assuming that the phones in the bunker aren't working and the exits are sealed. But they'll have to survive that long. Really interesting point about war and working with a team. Forest Annie is used to working on her own from what we've seen, and for the most part we only see her face people one-on-one, whereas Court Annie has learned to be a team player (even in the simulations, Annie was on her own. The closest we saw her to working with a team was during The Torn Sea, but her power was disabled for most of it) It's interesting to see their hair wet and darkened along the edges instead of glowing like normal--they seem quenched in a creepy, prisoner/power stolen way (but I don't think they have, that's just the impression it gives me). Despite the lack of water monster on this page, I'm still betting we're going to see Ysengrin's comment come to fruition (I'm sure there must be a trope for prematurely saying "Good thing that didn't happen!") |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Feb 20, 2019 17:50:44 GMT
I am curious to know what this bunker is. The top floor has a rounded top like a Quonset hut or something similar. They then walk down some stairs to a lower level, which is more squared-off, but still has some rounded corners (and is dry). The third level that they fall into has that classic absurdly spacious sewer look to it. All the way down, they've had enough light to see by. If this isn't a simulation run by Kat (and possibly glitched by MiniLoup), the Court ( EDIT: the seed bismuth ) has done some serious digging. |
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Post by netherdan on Feb 20, 2019 20:58:13 GMT
If this isn't a simulation run by Kat (and possibly glitched by MiniLoup), the Court has done some serious digging. Except they didn't have to do any digging at all. It grew from the seed bismuth (so convenient I'd want one if I knew of a way to control its growth and not devour any land not protected by a god) |
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