[2104] Is it wise to be underground?

[zbeeblebrox]

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That bunker isn't nearly as claustrophobic as I expected

[jda]

Feb 1, 2019 8:06:14 GMT zbeeblebrox said:

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That bunker isn't nearly as claustrophobic as I expected

The Quicksilver chapter page?

Edit the thread page, bro. It is not 1204

[madjack]

Yeah that puts a new spin on things. But letting Carver² loose in an abandoned* bunker complex doesn't strike me as the best of ideas.

[jda]

Famous last words.

[imaginaryfriend]

Maybe I'm just a deeply suspicious person but the first thing I'd have done if I was an Antimony would have been to confirm what Parley said about the door not being a way out.

[iver]

Incoming forest creature in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

[zbeeblebrox]

Yeah, Court Annie's really challenging the fates with that statement.
Makes me wonder if Kat set up some kind of stunt down there to force them to work together..

Feb 1, 2019 8:07:55 GMT jda said:

Feb 1, 2019 8:06:14 GMT zbeeblebrox said:

New Page

That bunker isn't nearly as claustrophobic as I expected

The Quicksilver chapter page?

Edit the thread page, bro. It is not 1204

Fixed, thanks.

[jda]

Did Annie's education by Ysengrin reach that lesson?



If not, it may complicate things; think a Gas leak on a firethrower.....

[avurai]

It feels like every time I see Court Annie, she gets more and more annoying. She’s always got the most smug look on her face.

I did an experiment after reading this page where I imagined reading about her for a year and then watching Forest Annie come in out of nowhere, to see if I would be on Court Annie’s side in these interactions. While she’s definitely not out of character, it would still be one of those cases where her unlikable, immature qualities come to the fore. She comes off less like a validation-hungry teen and more like a spoiled brat, which is... odd.

Half of me wonders if Kat wouldn’t put her in danger.

[zaferion]

Feb 1, 2019 9:08:31 GMT avurai said:

She comes off less like a validation-hungry teen and more like a spoiled brat, which is... odd.

I imagine "haughty, entitled brat" is largely a part of how Annie used to be considered before the camping trip with the cows. Annie has always been kind of standoffish, but now Tom seems to have dialed it up to 11 in Courtney in an effort to...I don't know. Let us see how she used to be perceived by the other kids? Make us side with Fannie? Both?

I'm not sure it's a decision that I agree with, so I hope it gets resolved soon because it sort of feels like she's been Flanderized

Feb 1, 2019 8:23:16 GMT zbeeblebrox said:

Makes me wonder if Kat set up some kind of stunt down there to force them to work together..

Kat has had a history of coming up with over-complicated schemes in the past. Like trying to set Annie up with Winsbury.

Or constructing a robotic throwing device.

So while I don't think she would put the Annies in any actual danger, she would absolutely concoct some bizarre scenario for this situation. Which I guess she already has, but it's not a true Kat Idea™ until it goes that one extra step.

edit: I went to TVTropes to make sure I was using Flanderization correctly and ended up at the page for Kudzu Plot, which is when a story is so complicated with so many dangling plot threads that it's hard to follow, and the blurb it has at the top is from Gunnerkrigg!

Coyote: How is that for an enigmatic answer?
Ysengrin: Very enigmatic. It barely answers anything at all.
Antimony: In fact, it raises more questions than before.

Which is all too fitting to be honest. And from the Trope Examples list at the bottom:

Every answer we get just seems to raise more questions. However, Tom Siddell assures the fans that he doesn't introduce any mysteries without already knowing their resolution; barring a premature ending, everything will be explained.

[bnpederson]

Where's the light coming from? There's electrical-looking items but nothing that look like lights, even in the wide shots. Yet we can see clear as day, as can they apparently.

[philman]

Feb 1, 2019 9:47:18 GMT zaferion said:

Feb 1, 2019 9:08:31 GMT avurai said:

She comes off less like a validation-hungry teen and more like a spoiled brat, which is... odd.

I imagine "haughty, entitled brat" is largely a part of how Annie used to be considered before the camping trip with the cows. Annie has always been kind of standoffish, but now Tom seems to have dialed it up to 11 in Courtney in an effort to...I don't know. Let us see how she used to be perceived by the other kids? Make us side with Fannie? Both?

I think this is just how she always is, however we are used to seeing everything from her perspective and so don't notice it so much, as she doesn't. This is the first time we are seeing her attitude from the "outside" as it were, even if that outside is another version of Annie.

[ohthatone]

Geez Court!Annie, I get you're coming from a place of insecurity, but you're making it really hard to sympathize.
Assuming this is how Forest!Annie would be acting if their places were switched and there's been no behavior modification by Loup (more simply, this is just how Annie IS), I wonder if the other kids see nothing different and we are just watching through Annie colored glasses.

[Polyhymnia]

Feb 1, 2019 14:21:13 GMT ohthatone said:

Geez Court!Annie, I get you're coming from a place of insecurity, but you're making it really hard to sympathize.
Assuming this is how Forest!Annie would be acting if their places were switched and there's been no behavior modification by Loup (more simply, this is just how Annie IS), I wonder if the other kids see nothing different and we are just watching through Annie colored glasses.

I don’t know, but I have never seen Annie’s mouth drawn so prissily as in panels 6 and 8.

[darlos9d]

Feb 1, 2019 14:21:13 GMT ohthatone said:

Geez Court!Annie, I get you're coming from a place of insecurity, but you're making it really hard to sympathize.
Assuming this is how Forest!Annie would be acting if their places were switched and there's been no behavior modification by Loup (more simply, this is just how Annie IS), I wonder if the other kids see nothing different and we are just watching through Annie colored glasses.

I dunno, Annie crossing her arms and turning up her nose and being all "Hpmh! Well I know better." is getting into downright cartoonish territory. This is legitimately weird.

[Per]

Pft, I say!

Pft!

Feb 1, 2019 9:47:18 GMT zaferion said:

edit: I went to TVTropes to make sure I was using Flanderization correctly and ended up at the page for Kudzu Plot, which is when a story is so complicated with so many dangling plot threads that it's hard to follow, and the blurb it has at the top is from Gunnerkrigg!

An inactive member of this board also is or was a very active contributor to TVT, so there are quite a few Gunnerkrigg page headers. (I put in one or two myself before the great restore-from-months-old-backup antics of 2008 erased my past and future TVT contributions from the timeline.)

[Corvo]

Courtnie is not genre savvy.

[pyradonis]

Of course Kat would not put her in danger... on purpose.

[Mitth'raw'nuruodo]

Courtnie's actions again seem to be caricature-esque compared to the more rounded character that we have been experiencing recently.

I still suspect that Courtnie is in fact not Annie, but rather solely Fannie.

Courtnie may not be aware that she isn't in fact Annie or she might be.

[merry76]

Feb 1, 2019 15:16:14 GMT pyradonis said:

Of course Kat would not put her in danger... on purpose.

... more than once

... per day

[bicarbonat]

Gettin' real tired of that attitude, little short-hair.

[dramastix]

They just bipped into an underground bunker. Sure, they started in a green zone, but who knows where they are now? They could be in the middle of a red zone and Courtnie would have no way of confirming or denying that.

Mostly I just want them to go back into the Ether so we can see what this nonsense with Courtnie's fire was.

[tustin2121]

Feb 1, 2019 8:23:16 GMT zbeeblebrox said:

Yeah, Court Annie's really challenging the fates with that statement.
Makes me wonder if Kat set up some kind of stunt down there to force them to work together..

*[cue Robot and Shadow appearing as "horrible monstrosities" and they begin causing an inconvenience]*

[netherdan]

Feb 1, 2019 17:19:20 GMT tustin2121 said:

Feb 1, 2019 8:23:16 GMT zbeeblebrox said:

Yeah, Court Annie's really challenging the fates with that statement.
Makes me wonder if Kat set up some kind of stunt down there to force them to work together..

*[cue Robot and Shadow appearing as "horrible monstrosities" and they begin causing an inconvenience]*

I don't think Kat would risk the lives of her non-human friends putting them to face that spoiled trigger happy plasma cutter, but maybe robot could go alone with a remote controlled "fleshy body" (if that's even possible with that new design)

[serendipity]

I posted it in this thread, but all this bit about Courtnie and Fannie is really making me double down on the theory.

Loup took Annie's crown but I don't think we ever saw him give it back. Then in the next chapter we saw Courtnie's ethereal self with holes in it. Have we seen Fannie's ethereal projection?

In any case, I'm guessing they're a sort of split personality kind of deal and Fannie is the "main body" and Courtnie is the crown, and that's why Fannie is a little softer and nicer and maybe Courtnie seems a little harder and more stuck up and haughty?

Edit: Also Courtnie wears makeup and the necklace versus Fannie who does not.

[shadow3]

I hope that they meet the Minotaur from early Gunnerkrigg and he talks about his relationship with his twin brother.

[bedinsis]

Feb 1, 2019 9:47:18 GMT zaferion said:

edit: I went to TVTropes to make sure I was using Flanderization correctly [...]

The way I've understood the term is that it is the process by which a character turns more into a caricature of themself.

I bring this up because if it turns out Courtnimony actually is somehow more a creation of Loup than Fannie it would make sense that she would be more of a caricature since it would be based on what Loup remembers/what Ysengrin/Coyote remembered. Since how people are on the inside cannot ever be fully grasped from the outside he would need to make her more of a caricature.

[youwiththeface]

Feb 1, 2019 20:38:19 GMT serendipity said:

I posted it in this thread, but all this bit about Courtnie and Fannie is really making me double down on the theory.

Loup took Annie's crown but I don't think we ever saw him give it back. Then in the next chapter we saw Courtnie's ethereal self with holes in it. Have we seen Fannie's ethereal projection?

In any case, I'm guessing they're a sort of split personality kind of deal and Fannie is the "main body" and Courtnie is the crown, and that's why Fannie is a little softer and nicer and maybe Courtnie seems a little harder and more stuck up and haughty?

Edit: Also Courtnie wears makeup and the necklace versus Fannie who does not.

Hm...on the one hand, given her past behavior I can't imagine the fire part of Annie warming up (heh) to Tony. On the other hand, if Courtnie is Annie's fire, in other words, the fire that's been passed down through the women in her family including Surma, that might explain the makeup. Because she was also a part of Annie's mom at one point.

[davidm]

"Hm...on the one hand, given her past behavior I can't imagine the fire part of Annie warming up (heh) to Tony." Tony was obsessed with saving his wife then bringing his wife back from the dead, and as a result unintentionally/was tricked into putting Annie at risk, not seeing how that makes fiery part of Annie against him. Annie herself put her friends at risk by accident according to Jones.

Or Tony being cold to Annie when being warm to her would have put her more at risk of being a pawn in Courts secret projects, and Tony was feeling extreme guilt over almost accidentally causing her death "broken man".


I think you have extreme double standard, Annie multiple times has put others at risk unintentionally and all is forgiven so easily. Fire elemental can be less hypocritical than you. One example, Annie tried to help Robot in similar way as Tony tried to help Surma come back from dead. That could have ended with Annie and Renard being killed or imprisoned for long time when breaking out Robot's brain from the robot run prison, or Robot could have been evil entity that was imprisoned for good reason and went on mass killing spree. Plot worked for Annie, against Tony, when they both tried to save someone who had "died"/been turned into paperclips. (Chapter 12, Mainly involving Robots)

Given a different plot, Annie temper, making fire barrier and running into forest may have started a war between forest and court and resulted in many deaths (Chapter 31, fire spike).

Annie has been colder to poor Boxbot than Tony has ever been to Annie. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=203 "At least they were proper robots" then later "terrible"... everyone hates him, poor Boxbot, so few friends, so little love when all he does is try to help.

[brilliantgrey]

hmm...probably a simulation...that would explain why they wouldn't be able to get in and out.

we've seen Parley bip out of those before. it would also explain the hard time limit of one hour, and means they aren't in any direct physical danger. they're going to run some sort of testing scenario on them that 1. forces them work together 2. reveals something about their natures or 3. just serves as data collection for Kat.