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Post by madjack on Jan 30, 2019 8:02:47 GMT
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Post by youwiththeface on Jan 30, 2019 8:06:45 GMT
I kind of don't get the point of this. None of the characters involved in this plan have been around the two of them together long enough to really pick up on them having problems. Also, why is their having problems a problem? Is there some mission they need them to get along for? Or if one of them is fake (and I'm not saying one is but they don't know that) wouldn't having problems with said fake be justified?
Just seems a tad contrived so far to me.
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Post by lunitaire on Jan 30, 2019 8:08:02 GMT
Hmmmm, this will be interesting.
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Post by madjack on Jan 30, 2019 8:09:37 GMT
I kind of don't get the point of this. None of the characters involved in this plan have been around the two of them together long enough to really pick up on them having problems. Also, why is they're having problems a problem? Is there some mission they need them to get along for? Or if one of them is fake (and I'm not saying one is but they don't know that) wouldn't having problems with said fake be justified? Just seems a tad contrived so far to me. That contrivance may be the point, if they're under observation. |
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Post by lunitaire on Jan 30, 2019 8:12:44 GMT
I kind of don't get the point of this. None of the characters involved in this plan have been around the two of them together long enough to really pick up on them having problems. Also, why is they're having problems a problem? Is there some mission they need them to get along for? Or if one of them is fake (and I'm not saying one is but they don't know that) wouldn't having problems with said fake be justified? Just seems a tad contrived so far to me. It kind of feels like misguided teen hijinks to me. At least I remember as a teen trying to push people to get along before realizing that interfering in that way can do more harm than good if you're not careful. Also if one of them is fake, then this is a bad idea because what is going to stop the fake from hurting real Annie? |
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Post by quinnr on Jan 30, 2019 8:13:10 GMT
Alternatively: Two Annies enter, one Annie leaves. No problem solving necessary.
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Post by iver on Jan 30, 2019 8:29:35 GMT
I knew that this was one of the options, but ... I'm still surprised.
It should be interesting, though - like watching two parts of one's presonality confront eachother.
The yin and the yang, order and chaos ... Let's hope they find some middle ground.
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Post by csj on Jan 30, 2019 8:30:50 GMT
Ether fire can't melt steel bunkers
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Post by philman on Jan 30, 2019 8:55:19 GMT
Hahaha, excellent.
So I am glad to know that this wasn't some weird test thing where they would automatically trust Court_Annie but not Forest_Annie, they are forcing BOTH of them to work something out not just one of them. That gives me hope that they really do believe them.
Of course this will almost certainly end poorly, Annie hasn't shown herself to be a big listener in the past, especially to parts of her own self.
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Post by fjodorii on Jan 30, 2019 9:02:30 GMT
Brace yourself..... dialogs are coming...
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Post by merry76 on Jan 30, 2019 9:04:12 GMT
Ether fire can't melt steel bunkers So its scientifically proven to be less hot than 1500 degrees celsius (Iron, Steel would actually melt a bit sooner because mixing stuff brings down the melting point). Concrete becomes weak at 1200 degrees celsius, so that is the weaker spot in the walls, temperature wise. 
But then again, I guess how hot ether fire works is probably based on the emotions of the user. The more anger, the hotter -> as seen in previous episodes. It does you not do you any good to tick of annie. Also, having heat alone isnt enough, you need a lot of joules to burn through something. A million degrees celsius doesnt help you burn through a concrete wall if all you can bring are a few thousand joules. It would just spread and then dissipate. The amount of energy to weaken a wall of concrete to the point of collapsing would be enourmous:
880 Joules per kg of mass to heat it up by one degree celsius.
A cubic metre of concrete is 2406 kg.
Increasing that cubic metre to 1200 Degrees from 20 would require 1180 x 880 x 2406 = 2'498'390'400 Joules or 2.5 Gigajoules. If only a part of that energy comes from the etheric user, burning through concrete is the ultimate diet 
Way to science a meme to death, I guess.
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Post by artezzatrigger on Jan 30, 2019 9:17:22 GMT
Ah, I see.
Kats solution is a trial by combat!
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Post by gpvos on Jan 30, 2019 9:23:50 GMT
Ether fire can't melt steel bunkers I guess the bunker is mostly concrete, and they got Parley to block the door with a bunch of huge concrete blocks too. (What's the temperature at which concrete falls apart/melts/burns/whatever?) |
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Post by Eily on Jan 30, 2019 9:30:13 GMT
I kind of don't get the point of this. None of the characters involved in this plan have been around the two of them together long enough to really pick up on them having problems. Also, why is they're having problems a problem? Is there some mission they need them to get along for? Or if one of them is fake (and I'm not saying one is but they don't know that) wouldn't having problems with said fake be justified? Just seems a tad contrived so far to me. Yes, the whole "You've learned yesterday that there is another you, and she either took your place among your family and friends, or is probably expecting to have it back, why didn't you instantly get along?" doesn't seem quite the justification for such an intervention. Besides, things haven't been actually that bad. Courtnie insisted her clothes were her own, but she was still the one who proposed letting some to Fannie, and she was the first one to say Fannie might be real. Of course, we barely have seen any of Courtnie's side of things, so maybe she has been complaining a lot, which would explain why Kat was so worried, and Paz's reaction (but if Courtnie is the cause, why did Paz seemingly only make her little speech to Fannie?). |
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Post by jocobo on Jan 30, 2019 9:47:19 GMT
Of course, we barely have seen any of Courtnie's side of things, so maybe she has been complaining a lot, which would explain why Kat was so worried, and Paz's reaction (but if Courtnie is the cause, why did Paz seemingly only make her little speech to Fannie?). For all we know, Paz HAS made a similar speech to Court Annie and we just haven't seen it because our perspective character hasn't shifted from Forest Annie even once, not even for a single scene. Since the comic has decided that Forest Annie is the viewpoint character (at least so far), even if both are real, we would have no way of knowing if Paz has been hostile to Court Annie unless Forest Annie overheard it. |
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Post by itrogash on Jan 30, 2019 10:27:34 GMT
Ether fire can't melt steel bunkers I wonder what's ventilation in there. Both Annie's passing out from exhausting all oxygen with fire could also be a solution, I guess. |
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Post by csj on Jan 30, 2019 10:59:57 GMT
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Post by DonDueed on Jan 30, 2019 11:38:02 GMT
So, what happens in an hour if they don't work things out?
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Post by fjodorii on Jan 30, 2019 11:48:27 GMT
So, what happens in an hour if they don't work things out?
They move into extra time and eventually shootouts
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Post by saardvark on Jan 30, 2019 11:51:20 GMT
Way to science a meme to death, I guess.
you wouldn't be the first! (done it myself...) |
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Post by gpvos on Jan 30, 2019 12:33:08 GMT
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Post by todd on Jan 30, 2019 12:41:40 GMT
I kind of don't get the point of this. None of the characters involved in this plan have been around the two of them together long enough to really pick up on them having problems. Also, why is they're having problems a problem? Is there some mission they need them to get along for? Or if one of them is fake (and I'm not saying one is but they don't know that) wouldn't having problems with said fake be justified? Just seems a tad contrived so far to me. Maybe, but I think that the point is that the real focus of the "two Annies" problem is supposed to be their clashing with each other rather than Loup's role in bringing them about. (When I studied "Much Ado About Nothing" at college, the teacher argued that Don John was a "plot-device villain", who existed merely to give Claudio the necessary shove into suspecting that Hero was unfaithful to him; the "true villain" was Claudio's insecurity and doubt. I wonder if Loup is similarly a "plot-device character" here, whose purpose was to provide an explanation for the "two Annies" situation, and that their problem in getting along together is the true story, more than Loup's threatening the Court.) |
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Post by Eily on Jan 30, 2019 13:59:44 GMT
Of course, we barely have seen any of Courtnie's side of things, so maybe she has been complaining a lot, which would explain why Kat was so worried, and Paz's reaction (but if Courtnie is the cause, why did Paz seemingly only make her little speech to Fannie?). For all we know, Paz HAS made a similar speech to Court Annie and we just haven't seen it because our perspective character hasn't shifted from Forest Annie even once, not even for a single scene. Since the comic has decided that Forest Annie is the viewpoint character (at least so far), even if both are real, we would have no way of knowing if Paz has been hostile to Court Annie unless Forest Annie overheard it. I kind of thought the same, but this page really felt like Paz was directing her attitude towards Forest Annie, whom I would have expected to notice if Paz was behaving the same way towards her double. Technically though the Forst Annie situation is a sudden one, while if she had any problems with Court Annie, it would have been a long running one, without the need for a burst of faces. I can't imagine Court Annie's reaction if she got the same "you might not be real" speech from Paz... |
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Post by The Anarch on Jan 30, 2019 14:43:48 GMT
Only the best of friends use wrongful imprisonment as a first resort!
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 30, 2019 14:44:19 GMT
So THAT's the great plan? Frankly, I am a bit disappointed, even though the chapter title suggested it already. Well, Kat might be a technical genius, but in the social department she is just a teenager after all... I wonder more that Parley and Andrew did not have better suggestions. By the way, did Parley's hands grow together with her muscles? They look big in panel 2. Ether fire can't melt steel bunkers So its scientifically proven to be less hot than 1500 degrees celsius (Iron, Steel would actually melt a bit sooner because mixing stuff brings down the melting point). Concrete becomes weak at 1200 degrees celsius, so that is the weaker spot in the walls, temperature wise. But then again, I guess how hot ether fire works is probably based on the emotions of the user. The more anger, the hotter -> as seen in previous episodes. It does you not do you any good to tick of annie. Also, having heat alone isnt enough, you need a lot of joules to burn through something. A million degrees celsius doesnt help you burn through a concrete wall if all you can bring are a few thousand joules. It would just spread and then dissipate. The amount of energy to weaken a wall of concrete to the point of collapsing would be enourmous:
880 Joules per kg of mass to heat it up by one degree celsius.
A cubic metre of concrete is 2406 kg.
Increasing that cubic metre to 1200 Degrees from 20 would require 1180 x 880 x 2406 = 2'498'390'400 Joules or 2.5 Gigajoules. If only a part of that energy comes from the etheric user, burning through concrete is the ultimate diet Way to science a meme to death, I guess.
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Post by ohthatone on Jan 30, 2019 15:02:27 GMT
At worst I would say putting them in the Get Along room is hasty, but not necessarily unnecessary. The Annies haven't really had a chance to work out their issues on their own, but the others may not want to wait that long. She's pretty integral to dealing with the Forest so they need to be able to put the "my brand new twin is ruining my liiiiife" behind them and focus.
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Post by novia on Jan 30, 2019 15:13:41 GMT
I kind of don't get the point of this. None of the characters involved in this plan have been around the two of them together long enough to really pick up on them having problems. Also, why is they're having problems a problem? Is there some mission they need them to get along for? Or if one of them is fake (and I'm not saying one is but they don't know that) wouldn't having problems with said fake be justified? Just seems a tad contrived so far to me. It kind of feels like misguided teen hijinks to me. At least I remember as a teen trying to push people to get along before realizing that interfering in that way can do more harm than good if you're not careful. Also if one of them is fake, then this is a bad idea because what is going to stop the fake from hurting real Annie?  |
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Post by netherdan on Jan 30, 2019 15:23:02 GMT
Ether fire can't melt steel bunkers I wonder what's ventilation in there. Both Annie's passing out from exhausting all oxygen with fire could also be a solution, I guess. Maybe Courtmony could plasma-cut the walls without having to melt it all the way and thus not exhausting their oxygen supply but looking at the chapter's title we're not getting an easy way out of this situation. This will be either a short chapter, a 3+ months bunker chapter or a flashback Court Annie chapter with the dealing resolution at the ending |
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Post by merry76 on Jan 30, 2019 15:26:27 GMT
You sir, are an Archive Savant! Kudos  |
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Post by brilliantgrey on Jan 30, 2019 15:34:34 GMT
awesome. no way this could go wrong at all. ten minutes, they hug, and they're free.
(this is...gonna be a long chapter, I guess.)
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