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Post by The Anarch on Dec 8, 2018 3:02:03 GMT
Jones would just be extremely hot (yes The Anarch , she is always...)
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Post by Corvo on Dec 8, 2018 3:47:35 GMT
As I got closer to the bottom of saardvark's amazing nerd out, I swear I could hear Renard starting to shout ethereal tenant at all of us. "What is with you people and needing to explain everything?!" yeah, sorry sorry! I got carried away... I'm a scientist by trade after all (betcha couldn't tell!) so nerding out comes so naturally.... saardvark, congratulations on becoming a wizard with magical abilities. That was an amazing analysis, btw. I can totally picture you saying something like " I have matters to attend to", or " forumites, the EARTH is in PERIL!" while riding an electric scooter.
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Post by netherdan on Dec 8, 2018 3:50:52 GMT
OK, you put me into total nerd-out mode... [nerded-out] A bit wild-spec-y next: I rather think that instead of being made of a solid "something", Jones probably has a very thin shell/skin of something exceptionally dense, and a somewhat more normal interior. For nerdy fun, lets say she has a thin skin made of electron degenerate matter (like what white dwarf stars are made out of). This is matter so compressed that the atoms are crushed, and you are left with bare nuclei held in a sort of crystal lattice of free floating, mutually repelling electrons. Density of this stuff is about 10 9 kg/m 3. If a cylindrical Jones was covered by 1 cm of white dwarf matter, the rest of her volume (about 90% of it!) could be of something much less dense... iron would be about right (density 7860 kg/m 3). So Jones could be made of iron with a white dwarf star skin! edit: fixed the exponents... I think you'd want to tune down that white dwarf estimation there if you don't want to implode the planet! Just kidding, a 1cm layer of white dwarf like density wouldn't create a black hole, but Jones would weight a few megatons and combined with her 1.5m height (not 1.8m, that's almost an Eglamore and as far as I remember she's shorter than Annie) she probably wouldn't be able to be at the Earth's crust level. If you lower the scale to the microns I could accept that, but then there's the fact that it would protect her only from cutty/stabby damage and she would be susceptible to impact damage (which she's clearly not) But I agree that she might not be made from a single dense substance as much as we're not made of 100% skin or bone. She's just made of a lot of dense stuff incomprehensible to modern physics and that stuff for some reason has less mass than any known material with such density would have and are almost non reactive (with the only reactions being a stoic expression towards the lab people and a demand to be informed when her presence is not needed anymore)
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 8, 2018 9:03:07 GMT
Brief 3am post: I did take a shot at Jones' mass based on how deep she was sinking into the bed that one time. Assuming more-or-less even support under the mattress (which is reasonable given how nobody's leaning) she can't possibly weigh less than 110% of a female human person her height and build; I forget the upper limit but it wasn't outrageous, pretty sure it was less than 400%. No way to tell what she's made of but the weight is probably about that of a stone statue and there were a lot of rocks around when she first appeared so I think she at least used to be rock. Given her appearance, the handful of clues, and my theories on the relationship between matter and ether I hypothesize that Jones was directly caused by GC universe's dual nature, specifically a primal and one-time-only flow or deposit of ether into matter, specifically a woman-shaped rock (tl;dr: humans would and must exist therefore Jones).
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Post by saardvark on Dec 8, 2018 13:30:30 GMT
OK, you put me into total nerd-out mode... [nerded-out] A bit wild-spec-y next: I rather think that instead of being made of a solid "something", Jones probably has a very thin shell/skin of something exceptionally dense, and a somewhat more normal interior. For nerdy fun, lets say she has a thin skin made of electron degenerate matter (like what white dwarf stars are made out of). This is matter so compressed that the atoms are crushed, and you are left with bare nuclei held in a sort of crystal lattice of free floating, mutually repelling electrons. Density of this stuff is about 10 9 kg/m 3. If a cylindrical Jones was covered by 1 cm of white dwarf matter, the rest of her volume (about 90% of it!) could be of something much less dense... iron would be about right (density 7860 kg/m 3). So Jones could be made of iron with a white dwarf star skin! edit: fixed the exponents... I think you'd want to tune down that white dwarf estimation there if you don't want to implode the planet! Just kidding, a 1cm layer of white dwarf like density wouldn't create a black hole, but Jones would weight a few megatons and combined with her 1.5m height (not 1.8m, that's almost an Eglamore and as far as I remember she's shorter than Annie) she probably wouldn't be able to be at the Earth's crust level. If you lower the scale to the microns I could accept that, but then there's the fact that it would protect her only from cutty/stabby damage and she would be susceptible to impact damage (which she's clearly not) But I agree that she might not be made from a single dense substance as much as we're not made of 100% skin or bone. She's just made of a lot of dense stuff incomprehensible to modern physics and that stuff for some reason has less mass than any known material with such density would have and are almost non reactive (with the only reactions being a stoic expression towards the lab people and a demand to be informed when her presence is not needed anymore) you are entirely correct! The white dwarf (WD) layer thickness seemed too thick to me too, but I didn't see my nerdly error - a goof in the formula for the volume of a cylindrical shell. The WD skin on Jones should be about 300 microns thick, and the rest of her made of something like copper (8960 kg/m 3). And yeah, WD matter is too dense to work, but I couldn't think of anything natural that was in a reasonable density range. Even the Earth's core is "only" 12800 kg/m 3 , not much more than lead!
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Post by fia on Dec 8, 2018 17:30:02 GMT
Jones might be like a super-iridium, since she has more of a golden than silver tinge.
But if I'm honest she may just be the concept of mass. In any case, she is still super cool.
I wonder if she just said something in this last page, and that is why they are all looking at Fannie, or whether she's just been staring this whole time and so the others are. In any case, Courtney has a really unsavory face right now.
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Post by saardvark on Dec 8, 2018 17:49:23 GMT
Jones might be like a super-iridium, since she has more of a golden than silver tinge. But if I'm honest she may just be the concept of mass. In any case, she is still super cool. I wonder if she just said something in this last page, and that is why they are all looking at Fannie, or whether she's just been staring this whole time and so the others are. In any case, Courtney has a really unsavory face right now. The US Sacagawea $1 coin is made of manganese brass, is mostly copper (so about the right density) with some zinc and manganese alloyed in and has a nice golden color.... sacagawea_dollar.tiff (383.31 KB)
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Post by netherdan on Dec 9, 2018 0:44:55 GMT
The US Sacagawea $1 coin is made of manganese brass, is mostly copper (so about the right density) with some zinc and manganese alloyed in and has a nice golden color.... That's a tiff file. It's the first time I've seen someone use a tiff file. And that includes me, since I've seen it in the "Save as..." options and thought to myself "what? Is that a Tiffany's file type?"
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Post by saardvark on Dec 9, 2018 1:01:50 GMT
The US Sacagawea $1 coin is made of manganese brass, is mostly copper (so about the right density) with some zinc and manganese alloyed in and has a nice golden color.... That's a tiff file. It's the first time I've seen someone use a tiff file. And that includes me, since I've seen it in the "Save as..." options and thought to myself "what? Is that a Tiffany's file type?" can you view it? I can convert to jpeg or something else if needed...
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Post by netherdan on Dec 9, 2018 2:13:35 GMT
can you view it? I can convert to jpeg or something else if needed... Yeah, it's a standard file type. I just thought it was a joke type that no one would ever use since we already have jpeg, png, bmp and all the other bitmaps
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Post by DonDueed on Dec 9, 2018 15:39:32 GMT
Tiff is used a lot for digital publishing. I wouldn't be surprised if Tom used it for the books, since it's a lossless format.
On the other hand, it's not ideal for things like icons and avatars. For instance, the Sacagawea picture is about ten times the size of my avatar .png file.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 9, 2018 19:09:25 GMT
The US Sacagawea $1 coin is made of manganese brass, is mostly copper (so about the right density) with some zinc and manganese alloyed in and has a nice golden color... A surprising number of people haven't even heard about small-size gold-tone dollars. About a year ago I got one of the presidential ones in change and tried to spend it at the grocery store. It took them almost 20min of deliberation to 1. not call the cops and 2. actually accept it. One person asked if it was actual gold. [edit] Also, the people behind me in line at the checkout were ultrapissed. It took more than 5x longer than writing out a paper check. After 5min delay/debate I offered to take it back and give them another dollar or change amounting to same but they refused, thinking I'd tried to pass a counterfeit. [/edit]
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Post by saardvark on Dec 10, 2018 0:58:32 GMT
The US Sacagawea $1 coin is made of manganese brass, is mostly copper (so about the right density) with some zinc and manganese alloyed in and has a nice golden color... A surprising number of people haven't even heard about small-size gold-tone dollars. About a year ago I got one of the presidential ones in change and tried to spend it at the grocery store. It took them almost 20min of deliberation to 1. not call the cops and 2. actually accept it. One person asked if it was actual gold. [edit] Also, the people behind me in line at the checkout were ultrapissed. It took more than 5x longer than writing out a paper check. After 5min delay/debate I offered to take it back and give them another dollar or change amounting to same but they refused, thinking I'd tried to pass a counterfeit. [/edit] yeah, they are used so infrequently that the US mint has scaled back production considerably. They were trying to get people to stop using dollar bills and switch to the golden coins (much longer lasting and so cheaper to produce), but it was an epic fail...
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 10, 2018 6:04:28 GMT
A surprising number of people haven't even heard about small-size gold-tone dollars. yeah, they are used so infrequently that the US mint has scaled back production considerably. They were trying to get people to stop using dollar bills and switch to the golden coins (much longer lasting and so cheaper to produce), but it was an epic fail... I used to commute right past a dog track and would sometimes stop for gas or food in that neighborhood. I got dollar coins and $2 bills regularly in change around that area, not sure why. The going theory is that the track pays off a lot of small bets with $2 bills and the dollar coins are for the machines. It sounds good since there should be a lot of small bets but the theory doesn't account for the tax, not sure if it was native American owned or something. Even got a worn Ike in change once around that area. There was a pretty high population of elderly people around there too, so it may have been old money coming out of long-held coin jars. (shrug)
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Post by DonDueed on Dec 10, 2018 15:20:40 GMT
Besides what saardvark said above, another reason for the push to dollar coins was the vending machine industry, which didn't want to have to include bill readers (and the associated processing hassles). That goes back even before the Sacagawea dollar to the previous attempt (Susan B. Anthony).
People didn't like the dollar coins because they were too easily confused with quarters.
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Post by fia on Dec 10, 2018 22:14:23 GMT
I used to get dollar coins in change for the Boston T (the subway) all the time. I was always sad to have to spend them because I liked them so much; but they never got rejected at a retail point. I suppose volume of trade matters for these things.
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Post by Isildur on Dec 20, 2018 6:13:46 GMT
The pages of this chapter are currently misnumbered (off by 2), starting with this page. It should be chapter 69: Page 18, not 16.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Dec 21, 2018 6:26:13 GMT
The pages of this chapter are currently misnumbered (off by 2), starting with this page. It should be chapter 69: Page 18, not 16. I'm not sure how much Mr. Siddell reads the forum these days. If he doesn't notice after a while maybe you should send him an email.
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Post by pyradonis on Dec 21, 2018 11:59:25 GMT
The pages of this chapter are currently misnumbered (off by 2), starting with this page. It should be chapter 69: Page 18, not 16. I'm not sure how much Mr. Siddell reads the forum these days. If he doesn't notice after a while maybe you should send him an email. OR is it intentional and a CLUE that something is WRONG with the timestream? DUN DUN DUN!
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Post by todd on Dec 21, 2018 12:40:04 GMT
I'm not sure how much Mr. Siddell reads the forum these days. If he doesn't notice after a while maybe you should send him an email. OR is it intentional and a CLUE that something is WRONG with the timestream? DUN DUN DUN! More likely it's due to running this by himself, which means he may not notice right away if he's made a little slip-up (the same as with the spelling errors that occasionally show up in the comic and which he subsequently corrects after readers point this out).
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