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Post by Sky Schemer on Nov 16, 2018 8:10:47 GMT
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Post by jda on Nov 16, 2018 8:16:07 GMT
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Post by madjack on Nov 16, 2018 8:16:14 GMT
Court!Annie apparently doesn't have a clue where Jones was (which happened the moment she set foot in the forest) so something weirder is going on than just a doppelganger.
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Post by jda on Nov 16, 2018 8:19:35 GMT
Court!Annie apparently didn't have a clue where Jones was (which happened the moment she set foot in the forest) so something weirder is going on than just a doppelganger. So Court!Annie didn't have an explanation to what had happened to Jones? |
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Post by madjack on Nov 16, 2018 8:20:57 GMT
Court!Annie apparently didn't have a clue where Jones was (which happened the moment she set foot in the forest) so something weirder is going on than just a doppelganger. So Court!Annie didn't have an explanation to what had happened to Jones? Panel 3 and 4 suggests not. |
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Post by Sky Schemer on Nov 16, 2018 8:22:02 GMT
I just want to point out that Kat & Tony seem awfully chill with this whole "two Annies" thing.
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Post by jda on Nov 16, 2018 8:30:25 GMT
Xkcd is always a good reference place xkcd.com/329/Convince someone that she is a fake.... |
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Post by madjack on Nov 16, 2018 8:31:49 GMT
I just want to point out that Kat & Tony seem awfully chill with this whole "two Annies" thing. Yeah actually, wildspec time: This comment + a few others from various other places are making me wonder if this actually is a variant on the the 'it's all a dream' trope, with Loup being the manipulator trying to find what else has been hidden from him by having Annie talking to herself. Edit: Kat confirmed to be wearing a dress and what appear to be leggings. Something is definitely wrong. |
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Post by jda on Nov 16, 2018 8:44:59 GMT
I just want to point out that Kat & Tony seem awfully chill with this whole "two Annies" thing. Yeah actually, wildspec time: This comment + a few others from various other places are making me wonder if this actually is a variant on the the 'it's all a dream' trope, with Loup being the manipulator trying to find what else has been hidden from him by having Annie talking to herself. That, or they were briefed on that the very moment Forest!Annie emerged from Gillite/ went through the purple haze. I'D keep cameras and (etheric) sensors trained on the Forest forever. |
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Post by madjack on Nov 16, 2018 8:48:17 GMT
Yeah actually, wildspec time: This comment + a few others from various other places are making me wonder if this actually is a variant on the the 'it's all a dream' trope, with Loup being the manipulator trying to find what else has been hidden from him by having Annie talking to herself. That, or they were briefed on that the very moment Forest!Annie emerged from Gillite/ went through the purple haze. MM, Occam's Razor does have the runs on the board so far this chapter. |
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Nov 16, 2018 8:55:03 GMT
Wait, if Loup stopped his attack, why did the Court seem MORE destroyed than when Annie left? Also, I know Jones has her own liberties and is allowed to go and do as she pleases, but no one wondered where she was, after she promised to look after Annie during her trip into the Forest? WEIRD!!!
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Post by Sauzels on Nov 16, 2018 8:56:35 GMT
Maybe Loup accidentally sent the real Annie back and had a six-month conversation with the fake copy.
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Post by antiyonder on Nov 16, 2018 9:07:52 GMT
Incidentally, once they decide who gets to be treated as Annie, I'd imagine the other could be referred to as Antonia Stibnite, who as far as the public is concerned is Annie's cousin on Surma's side of the family.
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Post by Corvo on Nov 16, 2018 9:46:58 GMT
Rude, Annie! You can't say it like that! You have to say "an alternative version of me".
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Post by duegon on Nov 16, 2018 10:13:27 GMT
A thing to remember is that supposedly real Annie's goal is to steal Cotote's gifts and bring them to the main antagonist.
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Post by agasa on Nov 16, 2018 10:19:01 GMT
Way to go, being real diplomatic there, Annie!
Other Annie is going to be really overjoyed by your insensitive comment about her reality.
I may even prefer her to you right now.
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Post by hnau on Nov 16, 2018 10:23:40 GMT
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Post by noone3 on Nov 16, 2018 11:08:14 GMT
– Hi Annie. Back already? And Where is Jones?
– Dunno. Hanging around?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by faiiry on Nov 16, 2018 11:08:55 GMT
Based on the drama lines around Other Annie’s face, I’m guessing next page is going to be all “No YOU’RE fake.” And at least one of them is gonna have a breakdown.
For my part, I hope the Annie we’ve been spending time with is the real one.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Nov 16, 2018 11:30:18 GMT
... Edit: Kat confirmed to be wearing a dress and what appear to be leggings. Something is definitely wrong. And the long hair. The outfit and hair is pretty chill, but it still seems out of character. It might be another indication that Annie's return to the Court is fake, or it might just represent the changes Annie, and the reader, missed. We finally get to see Tony's hands, but I can't tell if he still has the prosthetic. |
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Post by pyradonis on Nov 16, 2018 12:11:34 GMT
Kat has had longer hair than this before.
Forest!Annie seems to dislike her double.
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Post by todd on Nov 16, 2018 12:51:43 GMT
I hope that Tom's not going with the "it's all a simulation/illusion" approach. All too often, that ends up with a "What was the point of it all?" - beyond maybe some padding.
(I did consider the "padding" possibility on this hypothesis:
1. We're starting the "final book" - though Tom hasn't said whether that's the case or not.
2. Giving the bone and water to Loup would somehow resolve the problem and wrap up the story - though not necessarily; there's still the matter of what the Court's doing, which I think will turn out to be the real focus of the final stage.
3. If both are correct, then the "returning the bone and water" scene would need to be delayed a lot to ensure that the final book is the same length as the rest.
But since 1 and 2 above are just speculations and have not been confirmed, that conclusion is doubtful - and I hope that Tom's better than that.)
Certainly, given how impatient Loup was about getting the gifts returned, it wouldn't make much sense for him to hold that up by placing Annie into a "dream sequence". (Of course, this is a guy who's trying to be a trickster but doesn't have the finesse at it that Coyote had.)
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Post by csj on Nov 16, 2018 13:30:28 GMT
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Post by heranje on Nov 16, 2018 13:34:01 GMT
Kat having long hair and dressing more femininely has often been tied to her experiencing some kind of internal conflict. She grew her hair out when learning the truth about Diego had her feeling irritated and disillusioned with the Court and the robots, and her cutting it again signaled that she had finally processed this and was "back to normal". When she was conflicted over her sexuality, she also started dressing more femininely - and I think grew her hair out then as well? Could Kat's long hair and dress in this scene indicate that she's been experiencing some inner turmoil - perhaps over the fact that her friend Annie has been acting a little strangely since she returned from the forest? To people saying "why wouldn't Kat be able to tell it wasn't Annie" - if your best friend is acting odd and a little not themselves, your first conclusion is not necessarily "they're actually a FAKE CLONE of my friend" - you'd probably just be upset and wonder what was up with them. Especially someone like Kat, who's so reluctant to explain things with magic.
Or maybe she just broke up with Paz.
Alternate Annie saying "oh, we wondered where she was..." about Jones seems to put a wedge in the split theory, though. Jones was shot into space the second they stepped foot on the other side of the Annan Waters, and before any of the moments in chapter 67 and 68 that people have pointed out as potential split-moments. If there was a split, Loup would then also have to implant Court-Annie with false memories (not completely outside the bounds of possibility - messing with memory has been prominently featured as one of Coyote's powers, after all). But now my money is on a copy/clone with false memories who probably believes that she's the real Annie. But which one is the clone?
Also, as others have pointed out, super weird that they'd be so casual about the fact that Jones never returned from accompanying Annie to the Forest. "Oh, we wondered where she was..." doesn't seem to signal any particular concern for our dear Wandering Eye. Which, there's obviously no need to be concerned for Jones' well-being, but in a time of war, shouldn't the Court be kinda stressed about losing the neutral mediator who, besides Annie, has been shown to be the only 'person' ("I'm not a person" - Janet from the Good Place Jones) allowed to walk freely in the Forest - and who has apparently been highly valued by the Court as an advisor? Did Loup include in the false memories a revision of history where Jones didn't accompany Annie to the Forest at all, but simply vanished?
I refuse to buy into the alternate universe/dream theory though. I have faith that Tom can come up with better twists than "it was all a dream." Unless it's the Zimmingham kind of Ether-dream that's also partly real.
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Post by The Anarch on Nov 16, 2018 14:04:42 GMT
Shots fired!
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Post by ohthatone on Nov 16, 2018 14:12:50 GMT
oh SNAP, you gonna take that, Fake Annie?
I wonder if when Jones came back she landed in the ocean and just hasn't made it back to the surface yet.
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Post by ctso74 on Nov 16, 2018 15:01:15 GMT
*airhorn* *airhorn* *airhoooooorn* I don't believe shorthair!Annie will take that very well. Things can still be settled with the Renard test, that might well show they're both Annie, but this isn't a smooth beginning. When it becomes clear that shorthair!Annie has been living with Tony and making memories with Kat, longhair!Annie will take it much more poorly. |
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Post by bgb16999 on Nov 16, 2018 15:12:15 GMT
Well, now I know both are real, based on the fact that Annie jumps to the wrong conclusion near the beginning of a chapter.
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Post by Sky Schemer on Nov 16, 2018 15:49:52 GMT
Maybe there have been new Annies like every week or something, and they're just bored with it now. It's Annies, all they way down.
OR...wait for it...Annie is caught in an infinite Loup!
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Post by warrl on Nov 16, 2018 16:06:07 GMT
"Hm... you don't seem to think you're a fake."
"No, of course not!"
"I don't think I'm a fake either. Kat, do either of us seem to be disappearing?"
--No? But I think I've seen this movie. You, go over there and touch her. ... Huh. Nothing happened.
"I guess I have a twin sister now."
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