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Post by Timberwere on Nov 14, 2018 8:03:14 GMT
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Post by zirka on Nov 14, 2018 8:05:03 GMT
I like the confirmation of the timeskip. I don't like that no-one thought Ysengrin appearing was strange. Smitty saw what happened.
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Post by madjack on Nov 14, 2018 8:06:22 GMT
Smitty saw what happened. He didn't though, they both bolted before the actual transformation. Looking back at the start of chapter 68, the place this felt like it could have happened is at the Coyote totem, since that's where Loup started luring her off. |
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Post by freeman on Nov 14, 2018 8:07:04 GMT
Welp. I think this means Annie is going to receive the "zimmy treatment" of the Court medical experts.
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Post by arf on Nov 14, 2018 8:09:25 GMT
Smitty saw what happened. He didn't though, they both bolted before the actual transformation. Without Loup explaining his dual personality, I think it would be natural to refer to him as Ysengrin |
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Post by Aura on Nov 14, 2018 8:12:08 GMT
Congrats Annie, guess you have a twin sister now !
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Post by Timberwere on Nov 14, 2018 8:13:58 GMT
He didn't though, they both bolted before the actual transformation. Without Loup explaining his dual personality, I think it would be natural to refer to him as Ysengrin And it definitely was Loup - the monochrome brown figure has coloured stripes and both ears.
Edit: Then again, why would Court!Annie say she briefly spoke with "the creature" - i.e. Loup - before Ysengrin came and insisted she leave, as if they were two different entities? Hmmm.
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Post by arf on Nov 14, 2018 8:15:07 GMT
The split must have happened just after Jones got ejected, before Loup welcomed "his little Antimony". However the booms happened after that. Possibly Loup stole the memory of welcome from Gunnerkrigg Annie before dismissing her?
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Post by zirka on Nov 14, 2018 8:15:33 GMT
He didn't though, they both bolted before the actual transformation. Without Loup explaining his dual personality, I think it would be natural to refer to him as Ysengrin Ok, my bad. You all are right. Well then, I wonder what intel short hair Annie got from that overnight stay. What info was she sent back to the Court with? I assume nothing happened in those 6 months from the forest's side, and the Court couldn't initiate communication, so they just stayed on medium alert and carried on with their lives. Dangit, long-hair Annie may get left back another school year because of this? |
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Post by zirka on Nov 14, 2018 8:19:13 GMT
Congrats Annie, guess you have a twin sister now ! This is the weirdest way to acquire a sister, but not THAT weird for Gunnerkrigg. Honestly, it would be nice for Annie to have a sister, she needs more family in her life. |
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Post by Angry Individual on Nov 14, 2018 9:01:32 GMT
Was she split, or is this simply another instance of Annie? He can manipulate time, apparently, so this could very well just be a "time split" Annie existing at the same time. But it's more than likely she's just an echo or something.
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Or... our Annie could be the echo, a piece of the real Annie that got told to go away.
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Post by jda on Nov 14, 2018 9:36:20 GMT
And that'd not be even curiously weird by Jones standards.
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Post by jda on Nov 14, 2018 9:40:43 GMT
So, It was right on the second panel.In stories about a protagonist with a "good" doppelganger, the poor DG is useful for a while, and then sent on a journey to "see the world, fill our shared dreams" , meaning, told to take a hike. Do you know about a DG story where the "both" entities would be "protagonists" or at least friends/partners? |
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Post by jda on Nov 14, 2018 9:42:58 GMT
T "That was six months ago"
K "Oh, and BTW, I'm pregnant"
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Nov 14, 2018 9:58:46 GMT
T "That was six months ago" K "Oh, and BTW, I'm pregnant" /Concern |
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Post by madjack on Nov 14, 2018 10:05:19 GMT
T "That was six months ago" K "Oh, and BTW, I'm pregnant" Um. |
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Post by zirka on Nov 14, 2018 11:33:27 GMT
So, It was right on the second panel.In stories about a protagonist with a "good" doppelganger, the poor DG is useful for a while, and then sent on a journey to "see the world, fill our shared dreams" , meaning, told to take a hike. Do you know about a DG story where the "both" entities would be "protagonists" or at least friends/partners? Interesting question, and I would like to see the answers. There's...probably a relevant entry on TVtropes...for someone not afraid to get pulled in. Maybe I'll take a look later. Right now I can think of - Adventure Time, where Finn ended up with a grass-based version of himself. That character was recurring, though also kind of told to take a hike for many episodes. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Nov 14, 2018 11:36:47 GMT
Loo? No, Lou. Because Tom would never stoop to a potty joke!
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 14, 2018 11:46:23 GMT
Coming soon: Annie II informs Antimony that she has used the time-skip of six months to catch up with her schoolwork and is now back in Antimony's previous class with Kat et al, that and her volunteer work in the wake of the crisis has placed her back in the Court's good graces. Then Antimony notices she is shorter than Annie II.
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Post by yinglung on Nov 14, 2018 12:15:07 GMT
Congrats Annie, guess you have a twin sister now ! This is the weirdest way to acquire a sister, but not THAT weird for Gunnerkrigg. Honestly, it would be nice for Annie to have a sister, she needs more family in her life. In the webcomic El Goonish Shive, one of the main characters is turned into a girl by an alien magic gun. They then sneak into a secret government facility (meant to trap people who try to steal magic items) and touch an artifact that removes the enchantment from a person and makes a clone with the enchantment as their default form. The clone is accepted as a family member and joins the cast as one of the main characters. |
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Post by foxurus on Nov 14, 2018 12:33:48 GMT
It seems to me that the split happened before we heard the explosions. From our perspective the explosions happened as soon as she walked into the forest, but for short!Annie, she was in the forest for a whole night before they went looking for her.
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Post by todd on Nov 14, 2018 13:55:07 GMT
This does raise the question of what the "long-term" role of this second Annie will be. Knowing Tom, there'd have to be more to this than just shocking the characters and readers or to pad out the story (assuming that we're near the end and that the solution of the Loup problem ends the comic - in which case Tom would want to delay the resolution to keep the final book the same length as the others- but we don't know if this *is* the start of the last book); it has to have some significance to the story, Annie's character development, or something like that. But what?
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Post by youwiththeface on Nov 14, 2018 15:01:48 GMT
It has to have some significance to the story, Annie's character development, or something like that. But what? Take note of their differences. This Annie's been living at the court for six months (presumably) yet her hair's the same short cut; in fact it's even shorter than it was when she left. Plus she's wearing Annie's mom's makeup again. Not to mention that the Annie we've been following seemed to rejoin with her fire, while there seems to be something off about this Annie and her's. All of that can be used to show a divergent development. Perhaps give the Annie we've been following a sort of Ghost of Christmas future scenario. Show her what she would be like if she kept seeking her father's approval and working with the court. Or maybe it won't be that dramatic. We'll see. |
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Post by ctso74 on Nov 14, 2018 15:09:22 GMT
I read that as, short!Annie wasn't there the whole night from her POV, but seemed to be from the Court's POV. Then, the Court sent drones and Loup appeared to both Annie's.
At first I thought, maybe Loup can split a "flame". But if it was that easy, might have Surma gone to Coyote to help survive childbirth, no matter the difficulty?
Loup wants Annie to do things for him. He wouldn't have just sent her hoping she'd do as he said. I wonder if Loup held long!Annie long enough for short!Annie's flame to start to fade. That would give long!Annie a motivation to do as Loup says, from both a selfless POV(I must help short!Annie) and a Loup POV(this will happen to me in six months if I don't obey).
Or everything is cool and we're in store for Carver Twins adventures! Like a female Hardy Boys or double Nancy Drews! Renard will be so excited.
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Post by Jota on Nov 14, 2018 15:11:30 GMT
In stories about a protagonist with a "good" doppelganger, the poor DG is useful for a while, and then sent on a journey to "see the world, fill our shared dreams" , meaning, told to take a hike. Do you know about a DG story where the "both" entities would be "protagonists" or at least friends/partners? On the science fiction TV show Farscape, the lead character (John Crichton) got split into two equal and identical instance of himself. One of them did did end up leaving on a smaller ship to go off and do stuff on his own, but he took about half of the main cast with him, and the show alternated episodes between the one Crichton and the other Crichton for a while afterward, giving equal legitimacy to each of them. |
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Post by The Anarch on Nov 14, 2018 15:22:15 GMT
Coming soon: Annie II informs Antimony that she has used the time-skip of six months to catch up with her schoolwork and is now back in Antimony's previous class with Kat et al, that and her volunteer work in the wake of the crisis has placed her back in the Court's good graces. Then Antimony notices she is shorter than Annie II. "Why do I have to be 'Annie II'?" |
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Post by faiiry on Nov 14, 2018 15:48:08 GMT
For some reason, short haired Annie wearing makeup just doesn't look right...
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Post by warrl on Nov 14, 2018 16:47:59 GMT
Do you know about a DG story where the "both" entities would be "protagonists" or at least friends/partners? Elliot and Ellen in El Goonish Shive... sort of... the catch being that nobody could confuse one for the other, in spite of them being genetically identical other than - for one specific chromosome pair - one of them having both chromosomes and the other having two copies of one chromosome. And there, too, there's room for confusion regarding which is the original. Elliot definitely existed first, by roughly 17 years, but one could argue that immediately prior to the split Elliot did not exist and Ellen did. |
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Post by jda on Nov 14, 2018 16:57:12 GMT
This does raise the question of what the "long-term" role of this second Annie will be. Knowing Tom, there'd have to be more to this than just shocking the characters and readers or to pad out the story (assuming that we're near the end and that the solution of the Loup problem ends the comic - in which case Tom would want to delay the resolution to keep the final book the same length as the others- but we don't know if this *is* the start of the last book); it has to have some significance to the story, Annie's character development, or something like that. But what? Sometimes I feel like a motherless child.. Err, I mean, Sometimes (as I've said in some other thread) I feel like we are looking at a screenplay dramatization of an alchemical process. I mean, I'd presume (in my ignorance) that in some alchemical/chemical process some material (Annie) under effect of some compound (Loup) and given time(?), separates/precipitates in 2 almost identical substances, or even duplicates(! I remember that some crystals can regrow if broken in two, both parts being of the same essence). |
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Post by tustin2121 on Nov 14, 2018 17:22:56 GMT
It just occurred to me, looking at the previous page of Court!Annie in the ether that where there are "holes" in her hair is where the hair was cut when she cut it upon her dad's return. The way it's joining back together suggests that she's slowly healing from the results of her cutting off her etheric self, but that she's not fully healed yet. Meanwhile Forest!Annie doesn't seem to have the cut anymore, probably as a result of her interactions with Loup that Court!Annie didn't have. So it looks to me like they are identical Annies, diverged in time at the moment she entered the forest.
(Maybe I'm behind on this because I missed a few days and a few pages of hard speculation.)
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