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Post by arf on Apr 25, 2018 7:08:10 GMT
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Post by madjack on Apr 25, 2018 7:08:56 GMT
Yeah I'm really not sure what that's supposed to by showing either... But he looks like he's going in for the windup in the other three.
Edit: Is there is a physical crack in his head, or is that a visual metaphor for a crack in his mind?
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Post by arf on Apr 25, 2018 7:10:40 GMT
Pay no attention to the imaginary Coyote accompanying the psychedelic rage wolf as he contemplates his next move.
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Post by noone3 on Apr 25, 2018 7:15:33 GMT
That is a delicious nightmare fodder from Tom. Thank you, Tom! |
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Apr 25, 2018 7:16:29 GMT
It's Coyote's deformed etheral form now that he's merged with Y-grin. It's more wolf-like than before, obviously.
Also he seems to be shrinking back into the forest. Does he maybe understand that the Court is now unreachable, and is he expecting to lay siege to them until the robot batteries run out?
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Post by saardvark on Apr 25, 2018 7:26:13 GMT
It's Coyote's deformed etheral form now that he's merged with Y-grin. It's more wolf-like than before, obviously. Also he seems to be shrinking back into the forest. Does he maybe understand that the Court is now unreachable, and is he expecting to lay siege to them until the robot batteries run out? I think we are seeing the split mind of Coysengrin here. Left is the part that is Ys, totally p*ssed and enraged that he cannot smash the Court - mindless rage. On the right, we see Coyote, who finds being thwarted by a purple bubble Sprang-Shield to be mildly amusing and entertaining; meanwhile he begins to weave new plans. Maybe it is even a time-transition L-to-R between dominance of the two... initially rage-filled Ys, later settling into calm, clever Coyote. In the end, the fused creature Coysengrin relaxes (2->3) and ponders, floating over the Forest. This seems to establish Coyote as dominant in the fusion.... |
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Post by aline on Apr 25, 2018 7:33:39 GMT
Well, that wasn't creepy at all.
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Post by madjack on Apr 25, 2018 7:39:28 GMT
It's Coyote's deformed etheral form now that he's merged with Y-grin. It's more wolf-like than before, obviously. Also he seems to be shrinking back into the forest. Does he maybe understand that the Court is now unreachable, and is he expecting to lay siege to them until the robot batteries run out? I think we are seeing the split mind of Coysengrin here. Left is the part that is Ys, totally p*ssed and enraged that he cannot smash the Court - mindless rage. On the right, we see Coyote, who finds being thwarted by a purple bubble Sprang-Shield to be mildly amusing and entertaining; meanwhile he begins to weave new plans. Maybe it is even a time-transition L-to-R between dominance of the two... initially rage-filled Ys, later settling into calm, clever Coyote. In the end, the fused creature Coysengrin relaxes (2->3) and ponders, floating over the Forest. This seems to establish Coyote as dominant in the fusion.... And where else have we seen someone who can flick between outer calm and inner rage like a switch? 'Heh' sums it up perfectly. |
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Post by Ammy on Apr 25, 2018 7:43:05 GMT
He's totally about to Kamehameha the Court.
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Post by stef1987 on Apr 25, 2018 8:09:10 GMT
Am I really the only one who thinks Tom's art style has gone downhill? Look at this page, it's horrendous! (and most of the previous ones)
Compare it to anything around chapters 30-40. It's like Dragon Ball Super compared to Dragon Ball Z.
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Post by machiavelli33 on Apr 25, 2018 8:38:57 GMT
Am I really the only one who thinks Tom's art style has gone downhill? Look at this page, it's horrendous! (and most of the previous ones) Compare it to anything around chapters 30-40. It's like Dragon Ball Super compared to Dragon Ball Z. The subject matter has changed. Chapters 30-40 were all about human/humanoid characters - especially of how extremely human they were. Many close up shots gave Tom opportunity to fill in with lots of little detail, down to clothing wrinkles. In this chapter, big, sweeping, physically dramatic things are happening with decidedly non-human characters - in this page, a warped, dementedly colorful half-wolf-half-coyote-half-god abomination, and on the last page, masses of goofy-ass robots. And not a single character on the last three pages has either flesh (proper flesh, anyways) nor clothing that could wrinkle. It can be a bit jarring when we've spend numerous chapters on placid scenes of people talking. But recall the original instances of the purple energy-shield when Anja was using them. They looked exactly like that. So, the art is not worse - the subject matter is just different. |
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Post by madjack on Apr 25, 2018 9:29:30 GMT
Am I really the only one who thinks Tom's art style has gone downhill? Look at this page, it's horrendous! (and most of the previous ones) Compare it to anything around chapters 30-40. It's like Dragon Ball Super compared to Dragon Ball Z. The subject matter has changed. Chapters 30-40 were all about human/humanoid characters - especially of how extremely human they were. Many close up shots gave Tom opportunity to fill in with lots of little detail, down to clothing wrinkles. In this chapter, big, sweeping, physically dramatic things are happening with decidedly non-human characters - in this page, a warped, dementedly colorful half-wolf-half-coyote-half-god abomination, and on the last page, masses of goofy-ass robots. And not a single character on the last three pages has either flesh (proper flesh, anyways) nor clothing that could wrinkle. It can be a bit jarring when we've spend numerous chapters on placid scenes of people talking. But recall the original instances of the purple energy-shield when Anja was using them. They looked exactly like that. So, the art is not worse - the subject matter is just different. You've pretty much summed up how I feel about the recent chapter too, as well the characters who are even slightly background but still active and involved being 'cartoonified' as shown in the case of Annie in panel 2 here and possibly Smitty in panel one here being a little jarring. While it's entirely consistent with the rest of the comic, I think it's the wrong decision to do that this time as it feels like its detracting from the deadly serious events going on around them. Although it does work well when all the involved characters are drawn that way, see panel 3 in the second link. |
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Post by faiiry on Apr 25, 2018 10:22:16 GMT
On the left of panel 1, I believe it's Ysengrin and his incoherent, animalistic anger. On the right we see Coyote and his contrasting calm intelligence. Truly, Coysengrin is a character split in two.
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Post by faiiry on Apr 25, 2018 10:23:33 GMT
Am I really the only one who thinks Tom's art style has gone downhill? Look at this page, it's horrendous! (and most of the previous ones) Compare it to anything around chapters 30-40. It's like Dragon Ball Super compared to Dragon Ball Z. You are the only one. I don't see anything wrong or "horrendous" about this page. |
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Post by madragoran on Apr 25, 2018 11:05:55 GMT
reading these pages one by one is so soul-crushing!!! And before anyone misunderstands I mean, I understand they are needed to set up the atmosphere and to illustrate certain things, like how utterly mad and cut up in two Ys right now, but I want to know what happens next!!! I can not ignore the update schedule and let a buffer build up either. Poor me! Btw... am I a bad person for still liking Ys and feeling bad about how Coyote manipulated him into this mess?
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 25, 2018 12:09:46 GMT
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Post by saardvark on Apr 25, 2018 12:25:56 GMT
reading these pages one by one is so soul-crushing!!! And before anyone misunderstands I mean, I understand they are needed to set up the atmosphere and to illustrate certain things, like how utterly mad and cut up in two Ys right now, but I want to know what happens next!!! I can not ignore the update schedule and let a buffer build up either. Poor me! Btw... am I a bad person for still liking Ys and feeling bad about how Coyote manipulated him into this mess? I don't think this is the real Ys. This is Ys driven mad by Coyote's mental manipulations, carefully extracting memories - especially violent ones (weakening Ys' mental architecture) and then flooding them back in to snap his sanity. Ys had anger issues & anti-human tendencies before, but had them under control. The control and his sanity were only deteriorating because of Coyote. So I think you can still feel Ys is a tragic, imperfect yet sympathetic character who has been abused into madness. |
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Post by todd on Apr 25, 2018 13:24:17 GMT
So, the art is not worse - the subject matter is just different. Yes, I think that part of the point is that this is Ysengrin's chapter, not the human characters' chapter; here, they're in the supporting roles. I suspect that the art will look more "back to normal" once we go back to chapters that focus on the human inhabitants of the Court. |
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Post by ctso74 on Apr 25, 2018 14:12:11 GMT
On the left of panel 1, I believe it's Ysengrin and his incoherent, animalistic anger. On the right we see Coyote and his contrasting calm intelligence. Truly, Coysengrin is a character split in two. Oddly, I saw the opposite. At first, I saw the left side as the "dead" Coyote and the right side as Ysengrin, with it showing him accessing Coyoyte's memories/skills. Now that I look a second time, I wonder if that's Ysengrin's new Etheric form. Yikes, that would be a change. I always saw him as playing barbarian rather than necromancer. |
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Post by fjodorii on Apr 25, 2018 14:19:06 GMT
I had to think about that page too. Today's page gives me the impression Coyote is somehow (back) in control, or regaining some level of consciousness. the last panels suggest he is lowering himself back to the forest, maybe to launch an attack via the ground (or even underground) |
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Post by linchie on Apr 25, 2018 15:08:13 GMT
Am I really the only one who thinks Tom's art style has gone downhill? Look at this page, it's horrendous! (and most of the previous ones) Compare it to anything around chapters 30-40. It's like Dragon Ball Super compared to Dragon Ball Z. Exactly what I think, and also about the chapters 30-40 being Tom's heyday! It looks like he ditched using thick outlines on the figures and now they look static and bland. And the faces of human characters are very often off-model and crooked, thats sad. |
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Post by Spoopy on Apr 25, 2018 15:29:53 GMT
Ysyote looks weird and amorphous because he's half Coyote, and as we all know, Coyote is a liquid.
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Post by jda on Apr 25, 2018 16:47:00 GMT
And I ask, what kind of technological barrier could stop a god?
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Post by Runningflame on Apr 25, 2018 18:50:04 GMT
I can't speak to the way Annie and Smitty are drawn, but Ysote is drawn a bit cartoonishly because he/it is some sort of fusion of Ysengrin with Coyote, and Coyote has always been drawn cartoonishly. To me, the art has always suggested that Coyote's whimsical personality is dominant in this (un?)godly hybrid. Today's "Heh" only confirms my suspicions.
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Post by fourleaftree on Apr 25, 2018 18:53:06 GMT
And I ask, what kind of technological barrier could stop a god? The barrier is most likely magic. But to come back to your question: if faith is generated by believing in the barrier (maybe that's what the robots are doing?), then the barrier becomes as powerful as the God. That's what Jones said about the stars in the sky, isn't it? A being can exist before it is created. What the court is doing is proving that power is mostly derived from belief and once it is believed, it is so. So when that belief is put in technological abilities (in this case magic abilities) instead of the god, they must coexist and both claim the same role and share the same history. In a nutshell. I think. You want proof you say? Like er.. here
And here And here is a reference to the Court's aspirations exactly along those lines. So that's a theory... Or was your question rhetorical and am I "oversplaining"? For that matter: I think that the "heh" is pure Coyote. Someone else implied it on this page as well. If all of the above is so, then maybe he was testing a theory and now he has his answers, while politically not getting himself into trouble (I was eaten by Ysengrin!) but getting his answers anyway. Perhaps. Why does this all matter to me so much? |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Apr 25, 2018 19:19:06 GMT
Am I really the only one who thinks Tom's art style has gone downhill? Look at this page, it's horrendous! (and most of the previous ones) Compare it to anything around chapters 30-40. It's like Dragon Ball Super compared to Dragon Ball Z. Okay, I get that the comic has gone through a number of different styles and some people will prefer certain styles over others, but...are you NUTS?! It looks "horrendous"?? WTF are you smoking and can you please not share it |
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Post by Eversist on Apr 25, 2018 22:36:51 GMT
Am I really the only one who thinks Tom's art style has gone downhill? Look at this page, it's horrendous! (and most of the previous ones) Compare it to anything around chapters 30-40. It's like Dragon Ball Super compared to Dragon Ball Z. Okay, I get that the comic has gone through a number of different styles and some people will prefer certain styles over others, but...are you NUTS?! It looks "horrendous"?? WTF are you smoking and can you please not share it I agree with zbeeblebrox and see that today's page is pretty different from some of the middle chapters, but don't think this by any stretch of the imagination is "horrendous" stef1987, come on. That's pretty damned harsh. This page clearly took effort and is great, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one and this one (I practically get vertigo from the second panel; I wouldn't be surprised if he did some modeling to get the perspective right). They all did. You get my point. As a random comparison QC also went through changes, and while I prefer more of Jeph's "mid" style, I don't begrudge the creator changing things if they feel like it, especially if it saves them sanity and time. As someone who creates art on a regular basis, I can empathize. Edit: Additionally, there are better, more constructive ways to express your opinion about this. We're all entitled to our opinion but you're really coming off as a jerk, and I seem to remember you being like this in past posts. I ain't a mod (or your mother), but maybe go revisit the forum rules. |
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Post by Gulby on Apr 26, 2018 7:32:03 GMT
For that matter: I think that the "heh" is pure Coyote. Someone else implied it on this page as well. If all of the above is so, then maybe he was testing a theory and now he has his answers, while politically not getting himself into trouble (I was eaten by Ysengrin!) but getting his answers anyway. Perhaps. Exactly my thoughts ! I agree with zbeeblebrox and see that today's page is pretty different from some of the middle chapters, but don't think this by any stretch of the imagination is "horrendous" stef1987, come on. That's pretty damned harsh. This page clearly took effort and is great, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one and this one (I practically get vertigo from the second panel; I wouldn't be surprised if he did some modeling to get the perspective right). They all did. You get my point. As a random comparison QC also went through changes, and while I prefer more of Jeph's "mid" style, I don't begrudge the creator changing things if they feel like it, especially if it saves them sanity and time. As someone who creates art on a regular basis, I can empathize. Edit: Additionally, there are better, more constructive ways to express your opinion about this. We're all entitled to our opinion but you're really coming off as a jerk, and I seem to remember you being like this in past posts. I ain't a mod (or your mother), but maybe go revisit the forum rules. Thank you for expressing that much better and kindly than I would have. My wild spec on next pages : Ys disappear down the Forest's trees, the quiet before the storm, and then, avalanche of aggressive creatures and Ys' soldiers. And reading above comments, a thought came to my mind, that Coyote is half a cat, half a Boxbot. |
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Post by foresterr on Apr 26, 2018 10:54:27 GMT
And I ask, what kind of technological barrier could stop a god? Well, if Omega Device is really omega (as in, the last device that'll ever need building) it probably allows freeform reality manipulation and thus fulfills the original Court's goal. Should be enough for any god. Additionally, I'm still bothered by the chapter title. I don't feel it's been justified yet. |
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Post by netherdan on Apr 26, 2018 12:54:57 GMT
Additionally, I'm still bothered by the chapter title. I don't feel it's been justified yet. It was justified when we got confirmation that Coyote treats Ysengrin as a worthless pawn in his big game and then after his memories got flooded back into his mind and he snapped. But I guess the chapter itself could've ended here unless we see something addressing the issue of that memory overflow, but I guess no one but Ysengrin noticed it and the pages depicting it was just visual metaphor for us readers |
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