madragoran
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"If he trully does hurt you, I will rend the flesh from his bones on your word"
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Post by madragoran on Feb 5, 2018 8:10:09 GMT
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Post by arf on Feb 5, 2018 8:11:37 GMT
"Let us try the experiment. After all, what could possibly go wrong?"
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Post by aline on Feb 5, 2018 8:15:06 GMT
Coyote had his fun with Renard. Now the guy has become boring so it'd be really fun to watch Ysengrin freak out and ruin his and / or other people's lives instead.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Feb 5, 2018 8:21:05 GMT
...Make lulz not war?
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Post by Angry Individual on Feb 5, 2018 8:42:43 GMT
If he's about to do what I think he's about to do, Coyote might actually rise up to be one of the worst (worst as in evil, not worst as is in badly written) characters in the series.
I can't imagine Ysengrin's mind not shattering with all those emotions shoved back into it all at once. Or at least the memories.
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Post by philman on Feb 5, 2018 8:43:00 GMT
Coyote is more like make war for lulz. |
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Post by Lightice on Feb 5, 2018 9:25:18 GMT
So, the Coyote is indeed trying to keep Ysengrin's rage in check. But does he comprehend that he's probably only making it worse?
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Post by faiiry on Feb 5, 2018 12:25:41 GMT
The time has come for what? There are a billion options here. Has the time come for Coyote to gift Ysengrin his strength? Has the time come to start a war? Has the time come to stop trying to temper his anger because it's a lost cause anyhow? Has the time come to make a quick trip to Olive Garden because Coyote wasn't feeling up to it earlier, but right about now he could use some breadsticks? Also how does Andrew look way younger here than he looked 10 chapters ago? He almost looks like a different character, were it not for the fact that he has been wearing the same outfit since 2007. And also the eyebrows. |
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Post by keef on Feb 5, 2018 12:29:56 GMT
Nice art. Coyote did not just cross the river, he seemed to have been all over it. There is always that guy at the end of a long and tedious meeting:
"So we all agree then?"
"Ahem..." |
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Feb 5, 2018 12:35:46 GMT
My guess? Coyote's going to suggest sending Y on the GC-UpClose-Visitors-PremiumTour, without his supervision. As a way to see if Y can now "contain" himself.
I still think Coyote really really loves humans and he wants everyone to see his love. It might be possible that what he's trying to do with Y is actually something along the vein of: "oh, you hate people? Let me take away the memory of it! Oh, you still hate them, let's take away this memory!". Now he thinks Y has been behaving because of his interfering, when actually it's Annie's positive influence.
All this just because I hope Coyote is not really up to destroying the Court now, because that would mean we've triggered the endgame of GC...
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Post by philman on Feb 5, 2018 12:49:17 GMT
My guess? Coyote's going to suggest sending Y on the GC-UpClose-Visitors-PremiumTour, without his supervision. As a way to see if Y can now "contain" himself. I still think Coyote really really loves humans and he wants everyone to see his love. It might be possible that what he's trying to do with Y is actually something along the vein of: "oh, you hate people? Let me take away the memory of it! Oh, you still hate them, let's take away this memory!". Now he thinks Y has been behaving because of his interfering, when actually it's Annie's positive influence. All this just because I hope Coyote is not really up to destroying the Court now, because that would mean we've triggered the endgame of GC... I don't know if it's the time for endgame just yet, but it definitely feels like the end of the midgame. Annie and Kat must be approaching the end of year 10 soon right? (Kat at least, Annie repeating a year makes it less certain) Year 11 is the last year of compulsory schooling in the UK, kids are 16 at the end of year 11 and can either go to 6th form college like Parley and Smitty, or leave school entirely. I reckon Year 11 will start the endgame. Although it would be lovely if Tom takes it all the way out to the end of 6th form as it means we're in for another 3 years  |
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Post by dingo on Feb 5, 2018 14:13:49 GMT
Uh-oh... tempered as in heat or as in steel, Coyote?
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Post by netherdan on Feb 5, 2018 14:33:33 GMT
Ok, so... This is a situation of ends justifying the means for Coyote. But something about the last panel makes me nervous. As if Coyote is planning on shoving all those hateful memories back into Ysengrim's head and watching how he deal with those memories mixed with his love for Annie
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Post by blazingstar on Feb 5, 2018 14:57:25 GMT
Does Lord Coyote think Ys' rage was tempered....all by itself?
Doesn't he realize that it was probably the doing of a certain fire-headed girl, who befriended him, was unafraid of him, and showed him that humans are not all horrible (and hatefully weak)?
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Post by nero on Feb 5, 2018 15:20:31 GMT
I think by temper Coyote means he's been making Ysengrin's hate towards humans much more dangerous to the point that when we see Ysengrin lose it, it will be worse than what happened in The Great Secret.
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Post by fia on Feb 5, 2018 15:42:35 GMT
I wonder. Mostly I wonder what the endgame is. I'm going to go with the hypothesis that Coyote is trying to calm Ysengrin, albeit in a super creepy questionable way. How helpful would it be to Coyote to have Ysengrin raging all over the human side of the ravine? One assumes, not very. Coyote made the ravine and the Annan waters. Coyote can also walk across it on some pretext and knock down lots of the humans' petty buildings. If all he wanted was to have a super-angry human-loathing tree-wolf, he could have unleashed the rage ages prior. Jeanne defended the river, but not the Court. I mean he's a manipulative asshole, but we haven't seen Coyote kill anyone. We've seen that Renard killed someone, and Coyote sort of found it funny, but he finds everything funny. He liked that Renard loves humans;at least, we haven't seen evidence that Coyote was trying to change Renard's disposition like he has been with Ysengrin. Also Coyote promised to leave everyone on the Court side alone, and Coyote is many things, but he is not a liar. |
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Post by speedwell on Feb 5, 2018 15:55:45 GMT
Coyote, I suspect, is not a liar mostly because he can make reality fit his version of the truth.
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Post by erunion on Feb 5, 2018 16:10:35 GMT
GUYS. Temper. What if it’s not as in keep it in check, but as in repeatedly heat, cool, and reheat steel in order to make a deadly weapon.
It really, really, really sounds to me like this is the case (from the way Coyote is talking). I hope it’s not. But. Be aware temper has multiple meanings; ESPECIALLY in this context.
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Post by faiiry on Feb 5, 2018 16:46:14 GMT
Coyote looks so unabashedly evil in panel 2 (or I guess it's panel 1, depending on how you think about it). Something super evil is going to happen. Mark me!
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Post by aline on Feb 5, 2018 17:53:30 GMT
GUYS. Temper. What if it’s not as in keep it in check, but as in repeatedly heat, cool, and reheat steel in order to make a deadly weapon. It really, really, really sounds to me like this is the case (from the way Coyote is talking). I hope it’s not. But. Be aware temper has multiple meanings; ESPECIALLY in this context. I agree. |
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Post by arkadi on Feb 5, 2018 18:59:15 GMT
Coyote looks so unabashedly evil in panel 2 (or I guess it's panel 1, depending on how you think about it). Something super evil is going to happen. Mark me! Well, it looks like we're still in memory time; which means that whatever is going to happen, it'll probably be only a simulation. So let's just sit back and chill... I guess? |
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Post by ctso74 on Feb 5, 2018 19:15:59 GMT
The time has come for what? There are a billion options here. Has the time come for Coyote to gift Ysengrin his strength? Has the time come to start a war? Has the time come to stop trying to temper his anger because it's a lost cause anyhow? Has the time come to make a quick trip to Olive Garden because Coyote wasn't feeling up to it earlier, but right about now he could use some breadsticks? To be fair, their breadsticks are like Coyote's hijinks: delicious and unlimited. Yikes. I'm not sure what to expect next. If it's something bad, at least Smitty there, to help push luck their way. |
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 5, 2018 20:18:18 GMT
I'm not really sure why, but I find this page immensely funny. I think Coyote can barely keep himself from laughing his ethereal ass off from imagining the reaction of those two, after he has said what he is about to say.
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 5, 2018 20:19:38 GMT
The time has come for what? There are a billion options here. Has the time come for Coyote to gift Ysengrin his strength? Has the time come to start a war? Has the time come to stop trying to temper his anger because it's a lost cause anyhow? Has the time come to make a quick trip to Olive Garden because Coyote wasn't feeling up to it earlier, but right about now he could use some breadsticks? Also how does Andrew look way younger here than he looked 10 chapters ago? He almost looks like a different character, were it not for the fact that he has been wearing the same outfit since 2007. And also the eyebrows. My guess is it's deliberate to make him look more naive and totally unsuspecting of what is to come (maybe it's also how Coyote perceives him). I don't know if it's the time for endgame just yet, but it definitely feels like the end of the midgame. Annie and Kat must be approaching the end of year 10 soon right? (Kat at least, Annie repeating a year makes it less certain) Year 11 is the last year of compulsory schooling in the UK, kids are 16 at the end of year 11 and can either go to 6th form college like Parley and Smitty, or leave school entirely. I reckon Year 11 will start the endgame. Although it would be lovely if Tom takes it all the way out to the end of 6th form as it means we're in for another 3 years Pretty sure Kat will be offered a job by the Court. ;-) Even if she does not like the Court that much, the Kat of today would stick around for the totally awesome possibilities for research the Court offers. |
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Post by blazingstar on Feb 5, 2018 22:09:47 GMT
Also how does Andrew look way younger here than he looked 10 chapters ago? He almost looks like a different character, were it not for the fact that he has been wearing the same outfit since 2007. And also the eyebrows. Pretty sure that's just Tom's art evolution at work. The eyebrows REALLY help distinguish his character, because if he didn't have them, I think he'd be just another Elgamore joke. |
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Post by TBeholder on Feb 6, 2018 15:41:08 GMT
I still think Coyote really really loves humans and he wants everyone to see his love. Not necessarily loves, but he's entertained - humans always do something crazy. The only thing more likely to provide entertainment is a small crowd of mad scientists under one roof. Now, 'Grin roared at some humans, ☑ check. And (presumably) mauled some humans - ☑ check. But seeing it once is enough, then it just gets repetitive. On the other paw, at least this provides Coyote a challenge. I wonder. Mostly I wonder what the endgame is. Coyote probably thinks "endgame" is an oxymoron. :] I mean he's a manipulative asshole, but we haven't seen Coyote kill anyone. Of course. The critter dies, psychopomps carry it away and... that's it. This only reduces possibilities for slapstick. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 19:01:11 GMT
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Post by youwiththeface on Feb 6, 2018 19:26:25 GMT
The time has come for what? There are a billion options here. Has the time come for Coyote to gift Ysengrin his strength? Has the time come to start a war? Has the time come to stop trying to temper his anger because it's a lost cause anyhow? Has the time come to make a quick trip to Olive Garden because Coyote wasn't feeling up to it earlier, but right about now he could use some breadsticks? Also how does Andrew look way younger here than he looked 10 chapters ago? He almost looks like a different character, were it not for the fact that he has been wearing the same outfit since 2007. And also the eyebrows. ...Ysengrin asked for Coyote's strength. What if Coyote is trying to give Ysengrin that strength by stealing his memories and bottling up his rage until it bursts in a fit of strength he couldn't have managed if he'd remembered what he was so mad about and was able to let off steam? This would make for a nice parallel with Annie, who is sort of in a pretty similar situation with Tony. Also, I hadn't said anything yet but yay for seeing Smitty again! |
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Post by pyradonis on Feb 7, 2018 14:47:05 GMT
I mean he's a manipulative asshole, but we haven't seen Coyote kill anyone. But we've seen him talk Renard into using his body snatching power even after seeing firsthand that it would kill the possessed creature. " You cannot be sure that will happen." It's like giving someone poison which has already killed animals and talking them into using it on a human anyway. In some ways it's even worse than killing someone himself. Coyote killed Daniel by proxy, making the blame fall solely onto Renard. |
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Post by todd on Feb 8, 2018 0:17:22 GMT
I mean he's a manipulative asshole, but we haven't seen Coyote kill anyone. But we've seen him talk Renard into using his body snatching power even after seeing firsthand that it would kill the possessed creature. " You cannot be sure that will happen." It's like giving someone poison which has already killed animals and talking them into using it on a human anyway. In some ways it's even worse than killing someone himself. Coyote killed Daniel by proxy, making the blame fall solely onto Renard. And the Court and Surma helped here. Renard wasn't interested in receiving any of Coyote's powers until the Court had Surma manipulate Renard into falling in love with her. Without that, Renard would have continued to turn down Coyote's offer, and Daniel would have lived. So I'd say there's several people to share the blame. |
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