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Post by idonotlikepeas on Dec 20, 2009 19:55:29 GMT
I figure it was some combination of "ha ha won't this be funny" and a desire to make you're/y o u r confusion obvious. So if you say "y o u r a newb" it will come out as "thine a newb" which makes the spelling error much more evident.
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Post by TBeholder on Dec 20, 2009 20:59:09 GMT
I figure it was some combination of "ha ha won't this be funny" and a desire to make you're/y o u r confusion obvious. So if you say "y o u r a newb" it will come out as "thine a newb" which makes the spelling error much more evident. And he just doesn't like internet half-literates. Even if he didn't say plainly this several times, City Face would be a big giveaway. ;D
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Post by rosesablaze on Dec 20, 2009 21:57:14 GMT
...but "your" is a real word. As in, this is your coat.
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Post by istanbul on Dec 20, 2009 22:35:52 GMT
Interesting. Weird though, it keeps throwing me off because generally it should be "thy" except before a vowel. Oh well
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Post by idonotlikepeas on Dec 21, 2009 0:46:07 GMT
...but "your" is a real word. As in, this is thine coat. Yep, but "thine" is also a real word which means roughly the same thing (with certain grammatical quibbles).
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Post by Yin on Dec 21, 2009 4:55:39 GMT
This is why I have been endeavouring to make my posts here full of theethythouthum. Seeing thine instead of thy throws me off; I'd rather use thou and thy than keep seeing thine misused.
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Post by fjodor on Dec 21, 2009 16:41:51 GMT
Coyote was Jeanne's lover in a different body than his own. When he came down to meet her in the ravine, his body was struck by the arrow, putting a curse on the water. Not being bound to bodies, Coyote was able to return to the forest. Jeanne died of a broken heart. Her soul, being in denial of what happened, is still waiting.
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Post by raddishh on Dec 22, 2009 2:16:38 GMT
I don't know about that, it seems convoluted compared to Tom's normal, elegant solutions. But I have to agree with you that Coyote seems like he might be caught up in this plot. And if not Coyote, perhaps Reynardine or Ysengrin? Okay, I admit, that's a little crazy, I can't see Ysengrin falling in love with a human, but maybe if it wasn't mutual...
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Post by sz on Dec 22, 2009 3:00:26 GMT
Finding out that humans have used up a person that he fell in love with in fear of his kind might be enough to make Ysengrin resent humanity.
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Post by Rex on Dec 22, 2009 5:21:43 GMT
I just finished rereading from the part where ole Annie helps Martin until just after Jones and Eglamore spar and some things stood out to me.
- Antimony's mother said she'd never send her into danger, and during the incident with with boy in the hospital, when she thought she was in real peril she wasn't. Does this apply to Jeanne's situation as well?
- Jones speaks of the court and forest as if she's merely a third party commenting on the situation (an ally of neither). Annie brings this up and is quickly shot down, but this leads right to the next point.
- Eglamore clearly struck her with his sword and we're rewarded with a sound you'd get from metal striking metal. While that alone is enough for me, she also grabs a sword that I'm assuming is pretty sharp with no damage to herself whatsoever.
With this latest chapter appearing, it really reinforces my belief that Jones is a robot. Albeit Diego's masterpiece, a combination of technology and etheric elements, but a robot none-the-less. And yes, it also means that she's VERY old if the above holds true.
Edit: Argh, I completely forgot about that photo shoot that mentions Jones. That confuses things, but I'm certain that Jones is a robot!
Also, hello everyone.
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Post by fjodor on Dec 22, 2009 8:17:49 GMT
And if not Coyote, perhaps Reynardine or Ysengrin? Okay, I admit, that's a little crazy, I can't see Ysengrin falling in love with a human, but maybe if it wasn't mutual... On the other hand, maybe hell hath no fury like Ysengrin scorned? His grudge against all humans seems to be a very personal one. Add to this that this story never follows the obvious route. Plus, the third treatise still got me puzzled; why is the bismuth symbol near Ysengrin, was that ever resolved? www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=560Most likely, the fact that it is on his ear signifies that the Court is responsible for his torn ear, and I would not be surprised if Eggers was the one to do that. But who knows, maybe it was torn by the arrow? Edit: hi Rex, welcome to the forum. May all thine speculating be wild. Edit2: re-read the S1 chapter, and the sound the 'bullbot' makes could very well be the howling of a wolf. The matador act has to do with Diego's Spanish background, but the robot that S1 fights with, has no distinct features to indicate it should represent a bull (like the horns are missing). There is no wolf-like feature either, but that would be to throw us off (wouldn't be the first time). So I am liking the idea of Ysengrin being Jeanne's secret friend more and more.
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Post by Mr Pitchfork on Dec 23, 2009 1:07:04 GMT
Not only is Kat a robot (How the robots refer to her as an angel, and this creates an angel theme along with the existence of the Seraph model), but Annie is Surma. How people keep on thinking she's Surma, even Eglamore thinks of her as Surma.
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Post by antilus on Dec 23, 2009 10:05:23 GMT
When the robots say "She died and we did nothing" maybe they are talking about themselves watching the video. Kat and Annie both react emotionally to the film but the robots who have been programmed by diego to love her cannot cry or be astonished. Maybe they're asking Kat for help because she can give them the ability to react appropriately I mean so far all we have is this guy drawing his emotions onto his face.
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Post by koval on Dec 24, 2009 4:10:18 GMT
Argh, I completely forgot about that photo shoot that mentions Jones. That confuses things, but I'm certain that Jones is a robot! Could diego have created robots that age like living beings? Androids? Cyborgs? If Jones is a robot that may age, then Kat may be one too! . That may explain why the robots refer to Kat as angel.
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Post by todd on Dec 24, 2009 11:45:50 GMT
We first learn Jeanne's name and get our first hints of her back-story (including Diego) in Chapter Eighteen, which focused on Kat and was told from her perspective. The current chapter (Twenty-five), where we get the full story about Jeanne and Diego, is apparently focused more on Kat (the "angel" of the title, and the person whom the robots petition for help) rather than on Annie, as well.
Could Kat, rather than Annie, turn out to be the one who somehow frees Jeanne from her condition? Diego was responsible for Jeanne being trapped as a ghost by the Annan Waters, and Kat's a technological expert, as Diego was, which would make a good piece of symmetry in having her save Jeanne. Maybe Kat will surprise everyone in developing a mechanical device that can free Jeanne.
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Post by warrl on Dec 24, 2009 20:10:26 GMT
Could Kat, rather than Annie, turn out to be the one who somehow frees Jeanne from her condition? Diego was responsible for Jeanne being trapped as a ghost by the Annan Waters, and Kat's a technological expert, as Diego was, which would make a good piece of symmetry in having her save Jeanne. Maybe Kat will surprise everyone in developing a mechanical device that can free Jeanne. It's apparent that Diego was an expert at both conventional and etheric technology. Kat, at present, is not really on track to become an expert on etheric technology. Although it isn't clearly out of reach for her. (Also, I get the feeling that Annie started dealing with psychopomps and other etheric phenomena at an unusually young age - and is still somewhat younger than most people are when they get the talent of using a blinkerstone. Which means that quite possibly Kat simply cannot do that stuff now, but may be able to later.) More likely - at present - is that Kat and Annie together might come up with a device that would allow Annie to free Jeanne.
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Post by Rex on Dec 25, 2009 1:48:40 GMT
Could diego have created robots that age like living beings? Androids? Cyborgs? If Jones is a robot that may age, then Kat may be one too! . That may explain why the robots refer to Kat as angel. That's a distinct possibility, and something Diego could've managed with his mastery of technology and etherics. But unless Diego lived an extremely long time, that android (technically, gynoid since Jones is female) would've grown up in the time after his death to the present day. And if the robot can make it so it ages slowly, it'd be noticed immediately that there's a kid/teen/etc that's been around for a long time. Either way, we're in for a big switcheroo when even the protagonist of the story has raised the issue by flat out stating that Jones is a robot, and even asking the father figure in her life about it. - Uncle Jimmy who never mentioned a woman or brought one around to his best friend's house in all those years - The well established fact that he held a torch for Surma, but is now with the person she "couldn't stand" Oh well, we'll just have to wait for the inevitable shocking spill-the-beans situation with Jones.
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Post by rosesablaze on Dec 25, 2009 2:25:45 GMT
I wonder if Jones' and Anthony's personalities have any similarities. Or if James' and Surma's do. Traits they can't stand in the same sex attract them in the opposite sex.
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Post by Rex on Dec 25, 2009 6:38:19 GMT
That's an interesting perspective, since from the flashbacks we've seen are of the time when Surma and James were an item not the pairings that we know eventually took place.
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Post by fjodor on Dec 25, 2009 10:40:12 GMT
How about this one: the body that Rey took, was actually Eglamore's. After the body died and Rey was captured, Surma turned to Anthony for comfort. Eglamore's body was used for a cyborg experiment, which turned out to work quite well. Because of this, Eglabot can jump so incredibly high and home in on for example the beacon he gave to Annie.
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Post by Rex on Dec 25, 2009 12:57:55 GMT
Heh, I like that one. Though I think someone in the reread thread caught that the young man that got possessed was returning to the court from the forest, and was wearing that green outfit Annie wore on her meeting with Coyote.
So that guy was probably the medium before Surma if he tried to use that one to woo her.
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Post by eldras on Dec 25, 2009 15:41:07 GMT
I just want to share an idea that came while re-reading the current chapter.
All this time we have been assuming that the inscription "Dulce et decorum est..." refers to Mort, since almost every time we have seen it, he was near.
But it also seems to apply perfectly to the way Jeanne died, since it means "it is sweet and right to die for thine country".
¿Could that be a veiled way of the Court to remember the sacrifice of Jeanne? if so ¿In which way is she related to Mort?
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Post by fjodor on Dec 25, 2009 17:18:56 GMT
Mort is the soul of Jeanne's lover?
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Post by violet on Dec 25, 2009 17:58:23 GMT
A word filter. Tom told it to change "y o u r" to "thine" for some reason only known to him and to The Shadowy Council Of The Abyssal Dimensions. Oh! That explains why everyone's talking like a drunk asshole at an SCA event. I thought I had just missed the mead trolly or somesuch.
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Post by starburst98 on Dec 27, 2009 1:53:45 GMT
inside boxbot is the key to free jeanne, he's just so horrible no one would ever think he would have something that important.
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Post by starburst98 on Dec 28, 2009 8:26:13 GMT
double post but this is interesting. what was the first thing adam and eve did after gaining knowledge? they covered themselves. so i think that;s why robot has clothes, he has tasted the fruit of knowledge, by having been given a true choice and having been used for both good and evil.
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Post by fjodor on Dec 28, 2009 15:59:31 GMT
One big Holiday wildspec coming up:
Robot had this strange extra chip attached to his CPU when he came back from the Forest. We now know that the Tic Tocs predated the Court, and both the Forest and the Court people do not know where they come from. Reynardine said that they (Coyote, Ysengrin and he) came to the forest after the seed Bismuth had been planted, so there must have been a Big Force at work already.
I therefore speculate that the founder of the Court was the Very Nice Man mentioned by Robot. The chip is a type of technology after all. The Very Nice Man is probably also the creator of the Tic Tocs (I think this was speculated before but it make a lot of sense).
The Tic Tocs look like the perfect marriage between nature and technology, which would be in line with the first -happy- years of the court and the forest. Unlike the Court robots, the Tic Tocs are unable to maintain themselves, so it is fair to assume the Very Nice Man is still at work. Gamma (I think it was her - too lazy to look up all the pages) said that the Tic Tocs are the Thousand Eyes, which I feel sounds like a surveillance system. Odin (the old man) used two crows as his spies to keep him informed about what happens in the world.
Robot is slowly turning more and more human - putting on clothes is only the fist step and I have no doubt that Kat will succeed in giving him a very realistic body. We have seen Fairies turning into humans and humans into birds.
Is there a point? Well maybe. I am starting to think that the court was designed/created by the same etheric source that Anja used for her computer, and Diego as the power source for his Robots. And by the size of the Court, which Toms stated is larger than the Forest, it seems almost impossible that this was built by the small number of people living at the Court.
Therefore I believe the Court is the result of a technology virus, that transforms nature into structures. The many references to Alchemy would be in line with this; Alchemists were in search of the Philosopher's Stone, which had the ability to turn lead into gold. The symbols for gold and lead are visible in various places.
The seed Bismuth must be the actual Philosopher's Stone, and its effect was increased by the etheric power source, leading to the virus-like behavior. The Power Station we saw is the Court's effort to reproduce the same power. Coyote stopped the virus from spreading by creating the big ravine. This was seen as a hostile act by the people of the Court (who benefited greatly from the virus), and in turn they took defensive measures to prevent the Forest from reclaiming the space that had been lost because of the virus.
A virus needs something to feed on, and now that the Court grounds appear to be completely void of life (e.g. look at the dead twigs in the chapter where Zimmy 'showers' in the rain), it slowly starts to crumble and decay. So in order to survive, the Court would have to expand again at the cost of the Forest. After a complete assimilation of all Nature, Coyote would seize to exist (when Annie visited him, he made it clear that he IS the forest), and the humans will have become God themselves. Therefore the Forest folk will have to defend themselves in order to ensure their existence. Creature like Ysengrin would like to reclaim all that was lost. That as his reason for dropping the seeds in the court hall.
Means we have one big end fight coming up, like a Ragnarokr/Armageddon event. That is when we will see Brinnie again too, together with Odin.
So, all mysteries solved. Thanks for reading... :-)
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Post by judgedeadd on Dec 28, 2009 16:22:49 GMT
The Very Nice Man is Ysengrim. As for the strange extra chip, the generally held assumption is that it was always there and that it's the "special" part that makes Court robots sentient.
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Post by fjodor on Dec 28, 2009 16:42:14 GMT
The Very Nice Man is Ysengrim. As for the strange extra chip, the generally held assumption is that it was always there and that it's the "special" part that makes Court robots sentient. We think it is Ysengrin, but it was not confirmed as far as I am aware. We only see the shape and the green eyes. The woody part of Ysengrin is not his real body, so maybe it was made to look like the Very Nice Man's body. After all, for a wolf who despises humans, his current form would not be a logical choice, so I am guessing there is a special point to it. And if the add on chip is what makes the robots sentient, I would guess that someone as bright as Kat would have figured that out. Besides, if the add on was standard for all robot cpu's, she would not have made the specific remark. I think Kat's remark is a fine example of Checkov's gun.
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Post by warrl on Dec 28, 2009 22:31:40 GMT
How about this one: the body that Rey took, was actually Eglamore's. After the body died and Rey was captured, Surma turned to Anthony for comfort. Eglamore's body was used for a cyborg experiment, which turned out to work quite well. Because of this, Eglabot can jump so incredibly high and home in on for example the beacon he gave to Annie. Nope. Elgamore's predecessor and mentor, Mr. Thorn, could jump like that too.
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