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Post by madjack on Jan 16, 2019 8:49:13 GMT
Taking this to wildspec because it gels with another theory: I had a thought that Paz's ability to talk to animals may come into play here, with her getting a nearby animal to make enough noise and run off to distract the robots. If my guess about the robots being former foley kids is right, Paz might have another reason to really not want to be around them at all: Their being headcrabbed means she can hear them in there somehow, and it's extremely distressing, especially if Bobby has had the same treatment. Edit: This is probably mutually exclusive with the 'PazKat breakup' theory though, Friday's page will tell if either have any validity. Edit again: The whole 'might have been formerly human/animal' doesn't even have to be a thing here, she might be able to hear them trapped inside their own heads anyway...
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Post by Runningflame on Jan 16, 2019 19:26:37 GMT
If my guess about the robots being former foley kids is right That is properly horrifying.
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Post by Polyhymnia on Jan 27, 2019 20:26:23 GMT
Now I'm wondering if Loup's power has an unusual limitation, like Reynard's did when Coyote gave him the ability to steal bodies. I guess that limitation is related to the forest-chain Coyote made and restoration of the goose bone and water won't help. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=496
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Post by fuzzyone on Jan 28, 2019 5:06:22 GMT
It's been a while since I've posted anything here, and in fact, I went a while without even looking at the boards, so I don't know if anyone's had a theory like this...
But what if Loup is the way he is because he's "new". As in, he isn't a figure from folklore or legend, there's no mythology about him. He doesn't know how to control the things coyote controlled because there are the old legends of how powerful coyote is... powerful enough to put the stars in the night sky, for instance... but there are no such stories about Loup. That means that while Coyote could keep things running smoothly, Loup has no such ability. He may have assumed Coyote's power... but that power is COYOTE'S, not LOUP'S.
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Post by madjack on Jan 28, 2019 5:43:36 GMT
It's been a while since I've posted anything here, and in fact, I went a while without even looking at the boards, so I don't know if anyone's had a theory like this... But what if Loup is the way he is because he's "new". As in, he isn't a figure from folklore or legend, there's no mythology about him. He doesn't know how to control the things coyote controlled because there are the old legends of how powerful coyote is... powerful enough to put the stars in the night sky, for instance... but there are no such stories about Loup. That means that while Coyote could keep things running smoothly, Loup has no such ability. He may have assumed Coyote's power... but that power is COYOTE'S, not LOUP'S. I think your last point has the highest chance of being the operative one. Possession, ownership and rights have been subtle but reoccurring themes throughout pretty much the whole comic. It might not actually matter who's powers they originally were, they can only work as well as your understanding of them. Actually, that just sparked a thought about a dead goose in a bush by a lake. Coyote can give himself up to the trick, can't he? He can not just control an ant, but live like it. He could take over anything with eyes and have his fun. There was never any issue with him taking someone over because he wasn't taking it for himself, he was taking it to entertain and maybe find new perspectives. Renard, on the other hand, wanted the body specifically to take for his own, so he displaced what was already inside it.
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Post by Angry Individual on Jan 28, 2019 7:20:49 GMT
Doesn't the dead goose also prove that, despite everything, Loup is still Coyote? He can forget that he's coyote, since he truly believed he was a dead goose for awhile, but he was still coyote in the end.
I bet that's going to be the case with Loup, too. He'll get ether punched or something and get separated from Ysengrin, mark my words.
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Post by madjack on Jan 28, 2019 7:30:09 GMT
Perhaps? But if he's forgotten he is Coyote, wouldn't he also have forgotten everything Coyote knew? Effect is the same either way. Loup has also explicitly said he is not Coyote too. (assuming he's being truthful, which is a coinflip).
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Post by keef on Jan 28, 2019 8:10:43 GMT
It's been a while since I've posted anything here, and in fact, I went a while without even looking at the boards, so I don't know if anyone's had a theory like this... But what if Loup is the way he is because he's "new". As in, he isn't a figure from folklore or legend, there's no mythology about him. He doesn't know how to control the things coyote controlled because there are the old legends of how powerful coyote is... powerful enough to put the stars in the night sky, for instance... but there are no such stories about Loup. That means that while Coyote could keep things running smoothly, Loup has no such ability. He may have assumed Coyote's power... but that power is COYOTE'S, not LOUP'S. Yeah, he lacks believers, so he wields a power that is not his. So either he gets believers or he'll... disappear? peter out? change into something more believable?
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Post by pyradonis on Jan 28, 2019 14:11:06 GMT
It's been a while since I've posted anything here, and in fact, I went a while without even looking at the boards, so I don't know if anyone's had a theory like this... But what if Loup is the way he is because he's "new". As in, he isn't a figure from folklore or legend, there's no mythology about him. He doesn't know how to control the things coyote controlled because there are the old legends of how powerful coyote is... powerful enough to put the stars in the night sky, for instance... but there are no such stories about Loup. That means that while Coyote could keep things running smoothly, Loup has no such ability. He may have assumed Coyote's power... but that power is COYOTE'S, not LOUP'S. Yeah, he lacks believers, so he wields a power that is not his. So either he gets believers or he'll... disappear? peter out? change into something more believable? I assume that if anyone who witnessed Loup's actions dies and goes into the Ether, it will just cement Loup more as an incarnation of chaos and insanity, since that is what they think about him.
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Post by Eily on Jan 29, 2019 10:49:17 GMT
Doesn't the dead goose also prove that, despite everything, Loup is still Coyote? He can forget that he's coyote, since he truly believed he was a dead goose for awhile, but he was still coyote in the end. I bet that's going to be the case with Loup, too. He'll get ether punched or something and get separated from Ysengrin, mark my words. Or Loup forgot he's actually Ysengrim. As in the wolf god also inherited the most unexpected power of forgetting. This made me realize something, we know Coyote stole some of Ysengrim's memories, so who's to say either the goose bone or the lake water isn't actually one of those? And by the way, why would Coyote go through all the trouble of hiding the tooth from Ysengrim if he could just fetch the truth from the wolf's mind?
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Post by Polyhymnia on Jan 29, 2019 21:04:35 GMT
The court seems to have the technology to produce Annie cloes! (Not that this is new) I propose an Annie clone has been in the works since the day she was made forest medium! www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1469
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Post by madjack on Jan 30, 2019 10:49:18 GMT
Wildspec prediction: Both Annies will get into a.. heated argument that may see the flames brought out, and burn up all the oxygen in the room. When they realise that maybe they aren't under surveillance and Parley doesn't know to come save them, they'll have to use an emergency exit that might come with a cost attached.
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Post by madjack on Feb 1, 2019 13:05:02 GMT
Ok, one more wildspec dart to throw, based on only the finest flimsiest of speculation. I think panel 4 of this page is an indicator that Court!Annie's behaviour has raised enough flags that people (including Kat) aren't quite sure about her, and maybe haven't been for a while. Possibly enough so that Kat wouldn't confide something extremely sensitive with her, so it's possible Paz knows more of this plan than Court!Annie does. So why did she go to the effort of impressing on Forest!Annie that she does not want Kat upset? We've seen Kat grow her hair out when she's having trouble handling something. What I can't decide is what the look on Kat's face in panel 5 here is. Nervous/anxious? It could be for the obvious reasons (let's see what's happened to my friend) but... A bunker is a pretty secure area. Very safe. What if, in the previous 6 months, given her increased notoriety with the Court itself, Kat's parents confided to her that the Kat=Computer theory is correct, and she's now testing both Annies by showing them that and seeing how they take it? Regardless of whether that has any truth to it, I also wonder if we'll see the Seraphs skulking around.
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Post by shaihulud on Feb 7, 2019 0:08:06 GMT
I think that the vial of water is going to get opened, and an entire lake is going to spill out.
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Post by saardvark on Feb 7, 2019 2:32:46 GMT
I think that the vial of water is going to get opened, and an entire lake is going to spill out. .... and out of the lake, riding a scallop shell, Venus-like, with ears gently flapping in the breeze, Coyote is reborn. With a wink and a wicked grin.... edit:sink--->wink! (never could type...)
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Post by madjack on Feb 15, 2019 7:01:28 GMT
More realistic wildspec, but I can't help wonder if we'll see the tic-tocs again this chapter.
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Post by saardvark on Feb 15, 2019 15:10:47 GMT
More realistic wildspec, but I can't help wonder if we'll see the tic-tocs again this chapter. they have saved falling Annies before....
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Post by netherdan on Feb 20, 2019 21:10:10 GMT
Next time we see Robot and Shadow we'll realize that they have already been shown in some previous strips but Robot will be an android so well built that we wouldn't feel the uncanny valley stuff that much and Shadow will have developed the skill to add color to their shapes Possible flaw: they didn't immediately hug Annie when they saw her but then they could be thinking that was a forest doppelganger
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Post by speedwell on Feb 21, 2019 18:04:27 GMT
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Post by netherdan on Feb 21, 2019 18:13:45 GMT
nonono Immediately after "the explosions in the sky" not after "talking to Loup", she assumed Loup was Ysengrin
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 12, 2019 1:18:48 GMT
We've often referenced this page in relation to Coyote's ability to manipulate time. Maybe it was just an illusion, maybe it was a vision of the future, maybe it was foreshadowing. Maybe Ys' memory of this event was the seed of an idea "Loup" later used, and maybe that was part of Coyote's plan. Or maybe none of those things. Whatever it was, it was a moment where the ability of the ether to allow someone to see themselves or someone else from another perspective was demonstrated. There have been many other moments in the comic where that was also the case.
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 12, 2019 12:59:02 GMT
We've often referenced this page in relation to Coyote's ability to manipulate time. Maybe it was just an illusion, maybe it was a vision of the future, maybe it was foreshadowing. Maybe Ys' memory of this event was the seed of an idea "Loup" later used, and maybe that was part of Coyote's plan. Or maybe none of those things. Whatever it was, it was a moment where the ability of the ether to allow someone to see themselves or someone else from another perspective was demonstrated. There have been many other moments in the comic where that was also the case. Are you sure you linked to the right page? Because I cannot recognize any time manipulation or visions/illusions there.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 12, 2019 15:45:21 GMT
We've often referenced this page in relation to Coyote's ability to manipulate time. Maybe it was just an illusion, maybe it was a vision of the future, maybe it was foreshadowing. Maybe Ys' memory of this event was the seed of an idea "Loup" later used, and maybe that was part of Coyote's plan. Or maybe none of those things. Whatever it was, it was a moment where the ability of the ether to allow someone to see themselves or someone else from another perspective was demonstrated. There have been many other moments in the comic where that was also the case. Are you sure you linked to the right page? Because I cannot recognize any time manipulation or visions/illusions there. The two Antimonies in the lower left corner of that page are looking at each other as they're being carried on Coyote's back. (convenient link to that other page to when Coyote stopped time in Ch. 31)
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Post by Runningflame on Mar 12, 2019 17:13:34 GMT
Are you sure you linked to the right page? Because I cannot recognize any time manipulation or visions/illusions there. The two Antimonies in the lower left corner of that page are looking at each other as they're being carried on Coyote's back. (convenient link to that other page to when Coyote stopped time in Ch. 31) Huh. I don't see it (the bottom Antimony seems to be looking forward, not to her left at the other Antimony), but that's an interesting thought.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 12, 2019 18:27:37 GMT
The two Antimonies in the lower left corner of that page are looking at each other as they're being carried on Coyote's back. (convenient link to that other page to when Coyote stopped time in Ch. 31) Huh. I don't see it (the bottom Antimony seems to be looking forward, not to her left at the other Antimony), but that's an interesting thought. There's also the simple fact that there's two of them.
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 13, 2019 12:20:28 GMT
Huh. I don't see it (the bottom Antimony seems to be looking forward, not to her left at the other Antimony), but that's an interesting thought. There's also the simple fact that there's two of them. There's actually four Annies on this picture, as well as four Coyotes and five Ysengrins. To be honest, I always assumed everything on this page to be just for art's sake. Though this here is the right thread to see more in a picture.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 13, 2019 12:43:08 GMT
There's also the simple fact that there's two of them. There's actually four Annies on this picture, as well as four Coyotes and five Ysengrins. To be honest, I always assumed everything on this page to be just for art's sake. Though this here is the right thread to see more in a picture. Lack of the heavy black borders/background shows that this is taking place in the ether, or closer to the ether than the Wood normally is. It's still sequential art and looking at it as such I think depicting two Antimonies riding two Coyotes as a mere decorative corner-piece, where there is no mirroring or other illusion going on in the story of the comic, would be misleading. I'm not sure what exactly it means, like I said before, but it means something.
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 13, 2019 16:42:07 GMT
Tom had several Annies (and Kats and Morts) on this page too, though.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 13, 2019 17:00:08 GMT
Tom had several Annies (and Kats and Morts) on this page too, though. True. And it's in the RotD which is close to the ether and none of the characters are overlaid on a copy of themselves; each trio represents a sliver of time where they are wandering in the maze-like corridors. The only other time that I can think in the comic where multiples of the same character appear in the same panel and one is overlaid on the other when they're not in the ether or a flashback is this page and I think it demonstrates frantic movement that would be tough to capture in three (or even more) panels.
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Post by Polyhymnia on Mar 14, 2019 1:25:25 GMT
Not very original, but I propose that only one of the Annies is connected to the afterlife guide contract and only one to the forest medium job, but the fire spirit is shared. This is represented by the fact that only one Annie has spoken to Loup, and only one Annie has the antimony necklace that doubles as the afterlife guide sign. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1339
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