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Post by OGRuddawg on Jul 12, 2015 21:32:32 GMT
Hey guys, I was wondering if any of you guys have read or watched anything else that ties in with the legends and ancient stories found all over the world. Since I am American, I know next to nothing of European legends besides the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses. Where might I find some information on these stories, specifically the legends surrounding Renard/Reynardine and Ysengrin? If anyone could help me out that would be great!
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Post by todd on Jul 13, 2015 0:13:19 GMT
Hey guys, I was wondering if any of you guys have read or watched anything else that ties in with the legends and ancient stories found all over the world. Since I am American, I know next to nothing of European legends besides the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses. Where might I find some information on these stories, specifically the legends surrounding Renard/Reynardine and Ysengrin? If anyone could help me out that would be great! Renard and Ysengrin come from a medieval beast-fable called the Roman de Renard, though I don't know how easy it would be to find a copy. (I have the suspicion that the best place to find one would be in larger libraries, especially university ones.) |
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 13, 2015 1:04:29 GMT
Surma also rechristened Renard drawing from this ballad (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynardine) although Ysengein seems to have kept the same name as he had in the original Middle English work.
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Post by OGRuddawg on Jul 13, 2015 1:35:52 GMT
Thanks for the info guys! I'll dig into it tomorrow. I have to get up hella early tomorrow... stupid factory job
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Post by Chancellor on Jul 13, 2015 6:54:45 GMT
Hey guys, I was wondering if any of you guys have read or watched anything else that ties in with the legends and ancient stories found all over the world. Since I am American, I know next to nothing of European legends besides the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses. Where might I find some information on these stories, specifically the legends surrounding Renard/Reynardine and Ysengrin? If anyone could help me out that would be great! I'm not sure if this counts, but Parley seems to have heavily parallels with the mythic Saint George, a dragonslayer. George Parley is currently training under the current Protector of the court, and is set up to become protector herself. In multiple instances (namely Reynardine's first appearance) the Protector has been referred to as a dragon slayer, although the term is archaic by the present. |
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Post by hnau on Jul 13, 2015 7:29:13 GMT
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 13, 2015 18:55:57 GMT
Hey guys, I was wondering if any of you guys have read or watched anything else that ties in with the legends and ancient stories found all over the world. Since I am American, I know next to nothing of European legends besides the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses. Where might I find some information on these stories, specifically the legends surrounding Renard/Reynardine and Ysengrin? If anyone could help me out that would be great! I'm not sure if this counts, but Parley seems to have heavily parallels with the mythic Saint George, a dragonslayer. George Parley is currently training under the current Protector of the court, and is set up to become protector herself. In multiple instances (namely Reynardine's first appearance) the Protector has been referred to as a dragon slayer, although the term is archaic by the present. Sir Eglamore is also a medieval romance, where the eponymous knight slays a dragon. |
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Post by todd on Jul 14, 2015 0:17:26 GMT
There's a story about a knight named Sir Eglamour [sic] (probably invented by Wordsworth, though he claimed it was a legend he was only retelling), who was betrothed to a lady named Emma. Eglamour went abroad to do heroic feats to make himself worthy of her, and was away for so long that Emma began sleepwalking near a waterfall which had been one of their favorite places. When Eglamour returned home, he found her there and awoke her - but unfortunately, she was so startled at so doing that she fell into the river and was drowned. Eglamour, heart-broken, ended his days as a hermit nearby. (You can find the details in "The Lore of the Land" by Jennifer Westwood and Jacqueling Simpson, on page 123 - Penguin edition.)
The parallels with Gunnerkrigg Court's Eglamore (cf. the flashback at the end of Chapter Eighteen, where he's been away from Surma for a long time, and Annie falling off the bridge in front of Eglamoe at the end of Chapter Seven) might be coincidence, but they still struck me when I read about it.
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Post by warrl on Jul 14, 2015 7:13:26 GMT
Coyote is straight out of native-American mythology.
There's a song about the Annan Waters.
The tale of Jeanne and her lover by the river resonates with so many different stories I can't pick one out.
And I think every one of the psychopomps we've seen (excluding Annie) is actually rooted in one real-world mythology or another. Muut is native-American, the black dogs are British, the serpent with horns is Polish...
(There is at least one psychopomp who has been named repeatedly but I'm pretty sure we have never seen - Ketrak. He may be Tom's invention.)
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Post by Trillium on Jul 14, 2015 16:03:34 GMT
Excellent source for information. Thank you for posting the link. |
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Post by keef on Jul 14, 2015 16:52:56 GMT
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Post by todd on Jul 15, 2015 0:18:51 GMT
Brinnie's really the Valkyrie Brynhild - though Norse mythology (not to mention Wagner's Ring Cycle) has probably made her familiar enough that she may not need much introduction - at least, once we learn her identity (which is only hinted at in the webcomic proper). Here, Odin's punished her for her disobedience by sending her to school at Gunnerkrigg (and what I wouldn 't have given to see the meeting between Odin and the then-faculty - presumably Janet's father wasn't yet Headmaster then - when they were working that out) instead of imprisoning her within a circle of fire (though the role of fire in her original myth does raise the question of whether it's entirely coincidence that it was Brinnie whom the teenaged Anthony had that non-date with).
The title "Spring-Heeled" for the two-part chapter about a spider-possessed Jack is a clear reference to Spring-Heeled Jack, an urban legend from 19th century London (a fearsome chap who could leap great heights) - you can find out more about him in the "Lore of the Land" book I mentioned above, on pages 480-81).
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 15, 2015 14:52:07 GMT
It's always bothered me that, in that image, Ysengrin is referred to as 'her' (the dragon is female obviously, so it makes sense, but still). I think he needs a pink bow to clarify. I would make the photo-edit-edit myself if my computer were functioning. |
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Post by warrl on Jul 16, 2015 6:05:11 GMT
In Faraway Morning, the one boy tells about running into the girl with the rabbit. She's a Japanese moon-goddess.
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Post by keef on Jul 16, 2015 18:33:53 GMT
It's always bothered me that, in that image, Ysengrin is referred to as 'her' (the dragon is female obviously, so it makes sense, but still). How sure are you of Ysengrin's gender?  Maybe she's just a bit touchy on the subject.. Pink for girls is a recent development, before the 20th century this kind of ugly colour-coding didn't exist. So certainly not in Ysengrin's time. But seriously, I think this verse is the inspiration for Ysengrin's tree suit, so that's the reason I reposted it. |
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Post by eyemyself on Jul 17, 2015 17:49:55 GMT
It's always bothered me that, in that image, Ysengrin is referred to as 'her' (the dragon is female obviously, so it makes sense, but still). How sure are you of Ysengrin's gender? :) Maybe she's just a bit touchy on the subject.. Pink for girls is a recent development, before the 20th century this kind of ugly colour-coding didn't exist. So certainly not in Ysengrin's time. But seriously, I think this verse is the inspiration for Ysengrin's tree suit, so that's the reason I reposted it. I really like the image of Ys as a grumpy mother hen sort. A grumpy mother hen with and invincible hide. |
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Maybe she's just a bit touchy on the subject.. 