"We cannot tolerate the proliferation of this paperwork any longer. It is useless to fight the forms. We must kill the people producing them."
- Attributed to Vladimir Kabaidze, Director of the Ivanovo Machine Works near Moscow, in a speech before the annual Communist Party Congress, 1936
hmmm very open ended license Kat! Not that I'd be heartbroken if something horrible happens to Anthony but we know Rey feels things deeply and I wouldn't want him to have to do something horrible to the jerkface and then feel horrible.
“When they're laughing at you, their guard is down. When their guard is down, you can kick them in the fracas.”
If this were the Rey from his earliest appearances, then I might be worried. Not for Anthony's sake of course, but epic git that he is, Annie would take it badly if he were to end at Rey's hands.
I don't see him being in any danger, not from Renard.
"We cannot tolerate the proliferation of this paperwork any longer. It is useless to fight the forms. We must kill the people producing them."
- Attributed to Vladimir Kabaidze, Director of the Ivanovo Machine Works near Moscow, in a speech before the annual Communist Party Congress, 1936
Too early to take bets on whether Rey will jump into Anthony's body in self-defence at some point? Arguably Kat's order leaves that open.
If there's one thing that would threaten to shatter the relationship between Annie, Kat and Rey, it would be that. Even in genuine last ditch self defence.
This is definitely setting up for disaster in the future. Anthony's going to get possessed/murdered super hard, and Annie and Kat will probably have a huge falling-out that might never be fixed..
Anthony literally doesn't even do anything to entertain himself in his spare time, and he's done little to endear himself to the audience. Since he's been properly revealed, it's really, really starting to feel like he was created to be a blank-slate, easily-hateable sacrificial plot lamb to get some of the big overarching arcs really going.
Too early to take bets on whether Rey will jump into Anthony's body in self-defence at some point? Arguably Kat's order leaves that open.
If there's one thing that would threaten to shatter the relationship between Annie, Kat and Rey, it would be that. Even in genuine last ditch self defence.
I am not sure Rey would even consider "being" Anthony. It'd really, really need to be a hairy situation. I think Rey has left the body snatching bit behind him anyway.
“When they're laughing at you, their guard is down. When their guard is down, you can kick them in the fracas.”
I don't see him being in any danger, not from Renard.
Agreed. It may even be that Rey would use that moment to escape. I'm pretty sure that after seeing Rey's plushie form for days Tony would be easy to startle by a defensive appearance of full-on-wolf-Rey. All Rey would have to do is knock him over and bolt out one of those big front windows.
For Annie's sake, I hope Rey takes that directive a lot more level-headedly than half the forum would.
Rey did not sound very eager about the idea of doing whatever it takes to defend himself. But then we've seen how much regret he feels over his past actions. He's not looking forward to a repeat of those events. Rey does not fill the role of a bloodthirsty demon very well.
Too early to take bets on whether Rey will jump into Anthony's body in self-defence at some point? Arguably Kat's order leaves that open.
If there's one thing that would threaten to shatter the relationship between Annie, Kat and Rey, it would be that. Even in genuine last ditch self defence.
Is he even allowed to take a new body while being owned?
For Annie's sake, I hope Rey takes that directive a lot more level-headedly than half the forum would.
Rey did not sound very eager about the idea of doing whatever it takes to defend himself. But then we've seen how much regret he feels over his past actions. He's not looking forward to a repeat of those events. Rey does not fill the role of a bloodthirsty demon very well.
Too early to take bets on whether Rey will jump into Anthony's body in self-defence at some point? Arguably Kat's order leaves that open.
If there's one thing that would threaten to shatter the relationship between Annie, Kat and Rey, it would be that. Even in genuine last ditch self defence.
Is he even allowed to take a new body while being owned?
"Whatever it takes."
But to restate, I don't think Renard could bring himself to take another life in that way. Unless Anthony manages to put up a good fight, like Sivo apparently did. A fair match might make the difference, but given what we learned it Quicksilver, I think he just doesn't have it in him anymore.
I doubt Renard would ever consider using his body-snatching powers on Anthony. It's obvious that his greatest regrets in life were killing Daniel and attempting to kill Annie.
Considering how much he loves and cares about Annie, he would never do anything to her father. He knows how much she loves Anthony (despite his numerous faults) and killing him would devastate Annie. He may cause bodily harm, but nothing that would be fatal. And it would take A LOT to push Renard to the point that he would retaliate. I don't see Rey lashing out unless Anthony did something to Annie or Kat.
I think that, somewhere, Tom has already stated that he wanted to keep the story all-ages. From my pov, that means that Rey CAN'T kill Anthony. Maybe, yeah, harm him in a minor way, and only while defending himself against Tony, but that's all.
But I'm glad that Kat trsut Rey enough to say that, and that Rey aknowledge that ! That's important. He's no more "the demon Renard that tried to kill my best friend", but "my friend Renard".
And for Anthony, I don't understand the hatred that would push someone to wish his death ! I don't like him, I want to slap him in the face so hard, but juste SLAP him. And even if he was a real person and given the chance to approach him, I would probably not try to really hit him. But I would surely discuss and tell him off about the way he treats his only child.
Now, I really hope that, in some way or another, all this will quickly resolve in hugs and forgiveness and all.
Post by youwiththeface on Jun 1, 2015 10:19:16 GMT
I'm kind of glad Kat said that. At least now we know that if Anthony tries to do anything to harm Rey he won't have to just sit there and take it. And I think he knows damn well how badly it would hurt Annie and how furious she'd be with him if he hurt Anthony, so I think that's reason enough for him to not do that.
Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jun 1, 2015 11:27:36 GMT
I am beginning to wonder if the person on the cross in the 6th treatise might be Anthony instead of Robot. Given Kat's permission for Reynard to do whatever it takes and the Bots fanatically devotion, I see two ways Anthony could get symbolically crucified.
To counter that, I initially thought and still think the shadowy figure on Annie's side of the treatise is Anthony. I don't know if Tom would represent Anthony more than once in a single treatise.
EDIT: Now I am convinced that Smitty is watching Anthony approach the house through the windows. The direction Smitty is looking, and Parley's declaration that it is time to go, tells me that Anthony is at the door.
Kat should have added some words to the effect "minimum force necessary". As it is, that set of instructions authorizes Reynardine to kill Anthony "in self defense".
As it is, Kat appears to be setting a death trap for Anthony. And if Anthony dies, Kat will be guilty of murder.
Damn, that was cold. But let's be honest. If someone, who acted like we've seen Anthony act, was holding a friend against their will, wouldn't you be a little stab happy. It's good to know Rey has options. I'm not sure Rey would swap-kill to protect himself, but to protect someone else...
Now, I really hope that, in some way or another, all this will quickly resolve in hugs and forgiveness and all.
That would be very nice. But as they say, happy people make for a boring story. In the end, I'm just hoping the hugs we get, won't be us hugging our knees and rocking back and forth.
I see it more as Kat choosing Renard to live over Anthony. Doing whatever it takes, could just involve running away. We'll just have to see how Anthony tries to hurt Rey. Also, remember that two chapters ago we saw how the Court can grow bodies.
"Raindrops swirl on the leaves, in the rhythm of a waltz."
No chance Renard would kill Anthony. He'd run first. He knows how much Surma's death still hurts Annie, he's not going to kill her other parent even if the guy is terrible.
No chance Renard would kill Anthony. He'd run first. He knows how much Surma's death still hurts Annie, he's not going to kill her other parent even if the guy is terrible.
I don't know, we've seen how Rey has practically become a father figure to her over the years. He can be just as protective of her as anyone.
I think that, somewhere, Tom has already stated that he wanted to keep the story all-ages. From my pov, that means that Rey CAN'T kill Anthony. Maybe, yeah, harm him in a minor way, and only while defending himself against Tony, but that's all.
I don't agree. Friendly for all ages means no scenes of outright gore and violence, or anything explicit or swearing, etc. there can still be death though. We have seen death before on this comic, although all off-screen. It wouldn't surprise me if we see a showdown and then Rey limping in afterwards saying something like "Annie, I have done something terrible".
Way back in Chapter 9, Jimmy Jims said that he did not want to take Rey from Annie because that would break the contract, and "there's no telling what he would do". We know that if Annie's control over him breaks, her orders binding him would also break - presumably including the prohibition not to kill (implyed strongly in the WoT page about Rey's contract). Tom said long ago that despite regretting the murders he committed "every moment of every day", he would kill again "in defense of a friend". On the same page, it says he was disgusted to be compared to Anthony Carver in particular. We've also seen that he killed Hetty to protect a boy he barely knew, suggesting that he has a strong protective instinct. With all of this foreshadowing information, I suspect he will kill/possess Anthony, or at least try (and the fandom rejoiced!). Not to say this is the best outcome, though...
And now as soon as Anthony makes a move against him, if he also feels that he would be protecting Antimony, there's a good chance he'd try to kill Anthony. I have no guesses on whether he'd succeed, though...I mean, if Jack can build restraints for Rey, Tony probably can too...
Another potentially heartbreaking thing would be if Annie had to take her father into the ether. Ouch. Imagine that final record.
I don't like him, I want to slap him in the face so hard, but juste SLAP him. And even if he was a real person and given the chance to approach him, I would probably not try to really hit him. But I would surely discuss and tell him off about the way he treats his only child.
