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Post by zbeeblebrox on May 27, 2015 8:59:55 GMT
Now there is the question of how that particular symbol arrived on Reynardine's forehead. That is a good question, indeed. I don't see Annie openly defying her father (yet). He seems to have her completely under his thumb. So when he asked her to give Rey to him, I would expect she did just that, only it didn't work for some reason. Like a gift given under duress isn't really a gift and therefore no transfer of ownership happens. Something like that would explain why Anthony has no power over Rey, but not why Kat does, though. I think Annie was just extremely suggestible during the move, and it didn't take much for Kat to convince her to relinquish control of Rey over to her. Annie would've just been like, "o-okay". Then Kat would just have to let Rey know she's permitting Anthony to have possession of him for the time being, but under no circumstances is he to follow Anthony's orders. In fact, Rey'd probably draw that last conclusion on his own I think. |
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Post by arf on May 27, 2015 9:02:48 GMT
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Post by Daedalus on May 27, 2015 9:15:14 GMT
Ownership questions resolved in the first recent happy moment: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Also, I was one of the people who predicted it so DOUBLE YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSI wonder when Annie gave him to Kat, or whether perhaps it was unconscious? She did seem to intend to give him to Daddy Dearest... I am very glad indeed to see that one way or another, Annie has not yielded full control of Reynard to Anthony. (shakes hands) Finally, at long last, we agree on something to do with Tony!  And yes, cute Corgi!Rey is cute. |
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Post by matoyak on May 27, 2015 9:30:31 GMT
Ownership questions resolved in the first recent happy moment: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS I wonder when Annie gave him to Kat, or whether perhaps it was unconscious? She did seem to intend to give him to Daddy Dearest... I don't think it's a guarantee that Annie intentionally gave Rey to Kat. I hope she did, I hope that's one of the meanings to "Sneak", but... I don't think we can call the ownership question resolved, and if it IS resolved, I don't think it guarantees that Annie did the right thing by giving him to Kat rather than her father. Unless it was via an order prior to all this going down in case of Annie ever being incapable of making rational decisions (or her going into a coma or something), as someone suggested earlier. |
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Post by noone3 on May 27, 2015 9:54:13 GMT
Also maybe it's just a half-morph or something, but he looks pretty dog-like here. He looks like a corgi! Naaah... He's more husky-like.  |
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Post by Daedalus on May 27, 2015 10:22:50 GMT
Ownership questions resolved in the first recent happy moment: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS I wonder when Annie gave him to Kat, or whether perhaps it was unconscious? She did seem to intend to give him to Daddy Dearest... I don't think it's a guarantee that Annie intentionally gave Rey to Kat. I hope she did, I hope that's one of the meanings to "Sneak", but... I don't think we can call the ownership question resolved, and if it IS resolved, I don't think it guarantees that Annie did the right thing by giving him to Kat rather than her father. Unless it was via an order prior to all this going down in case of Annie ever being incapable of making rational decisions (or her going into a coma or something), as someone suggested earlier. Which is the second question I asked, which I still consider unresolved. I had meant our basic questions of who owned him in the first place, which is clearly Kat. |
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Post by calpal on May 27, 2015 10:27:44 GMT
CORGI-REY!! AAAAAAAAUGH!!
*clears throat*
Now that that particular bit is out of the way... I want to desperately look back through the comic and find some point where Kat would've been promised ownership of Reynard, because there HAS to be some point where that was established.
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Post by Peeping Bird on May 27, 2015 10:35:20 GMT
Hmm... reminds me of that best selling book.... what was it now?.... ah yes : "Fifty Shapes of Rey!"
My suspicion, especially after reading the Hetty chapter, is that Rey's form reflects his feelings about the person who controls him. I guess he is not quite as proud to wear Kat's mark as he is to wear Annie's. Hence the more diminutive shape.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on May 27, 2015 10:35:28 GMT
Could it be that Tony has the same symbol, though? Anthony becomes visible and gets up out of the chair... "Kat, we are both Creators. We are destined to be together, soul mates for the rest of eternity!" EDIT: This is wrong on so many levels. The only way to fix it is for Action Paz to burst into the room and yell "MINE!!!" |
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Post by machival on May 27, 2015 11:10:08 GMT
I hope this form of Renard gets made into merchandise.
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Post by quark on May 27, 2015 11:11:21 GMT
one - Rey bears Kat's mark. This is way better than I hoped for, but to be honest - I don't think this is Annie's doing at all. She was surprised and apologetic when Anthony questioned her, and it seemed sincere. I think that was Kat all the way - maybe she talked Annie into letting her talk with Rey while moving, maybe there was an old order Annie gave (Something like 'If I can't give you orders, follow Kat's').
I don't think the Corgi form is an expression of Rey's feelings towards Kat - I think it's hard for him to change form.
And the chair: DAMNIT! I'm expecting Anthony to sit in it and say something like 'I've been expecting you'
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Post by arf on May 27, 2015 11:18:01 GMT
I wonder if Rey's new look is in any way related to Annie's.
Meanwhile, the chair. The chair broods over everything around it.
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Post by artezzatrigger on May 27, 2015 11:27:22 GMT
one - Rey bears Kat's mark. This is way better than I hoped for, but to be honest - I don't think this is Annie's doing at all. She was surprised and apologetic when Anthony questioned her, and it seemed sincere. I think that was Kat all the way - maybe she talked Annie into letting her talk with Rey while moving, maybe there was an old order Annie gave (Something like 'If I can't give you orders, follow Kat's'). I don't think the Corgi form is an expression of Rey's feelings towards Kat - I think it's hard for him to change form. And the chair: DAMNIT! I'm expecting Anthony to sit in it and say something like 'I've been expecting you' The biggest point is that Annie was willing to look him dead in the eyes when she said it. She can't even look at her friend out of some vague sense of shame or embarrassment. |
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Post by grahamf on May 27, 2015 11:53:06 GMT
Also maybe it's just a half-morph or something, but he looks pretty dog-like here. He looks like a corgi! Yeah! I mean that aww this all sucks, but Corgi Rey is awesome! |
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Post by elcheeso on May 27, 2015 11:55:30 GMT
Kudos to those who predicted this. It's a relief Renard was never in Tony's possession, so Annie never betrayed him. There is nothing ominous about that chair.  At the moment I'm pretty well convinced that Tony IS the chair and he's going to learn that Annie probably gave Rey to Kat before pretending to pass him to her father. Tony obviously dedicated himself to learning the dread art of Chairmancy while he was away. |
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Post by vakri on May 27, 2015 11:57:53 GMT
Could it be that Tony has the same symbol, though? Anthony becomes visible and gets up out of the chair... "Kat, we are both Creators. We are destined to be together, soul mates for the rest of eternity!" EDIT: This is wrong on so many levels. The only way to fix it is for Action Paz to burst into the room and yell "MINE!!!" damn, this deserves a fanart! Anyway, it's quite possible that both Tony and Kat tried to acheve the same: creating a flesh robot. Kat started with robotics knowledge, and Tony started with biology. That's why they both have a creator symbol. Also, that's why Rey doesn't listen to Tony absolutely- there is another owner nearby, who gives him different orders Damn, idea of Tony and Kat being so alike is somehow... unholy. |
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Post by geoduck on May 27, 2015 12:15:53 GMT
I'd consider it a real cheat if it's revealed that somehow Kat and Anthony have the same symbol.
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Post by rinabean on May 27, 2015 12:21:36 GMT
I'd consider it a real cheat if it's revealed that somehow Kat and Anthony have the same symbol. How? It's Kat's symbol in the treatises but inside the main comic it was only called "the mark of the creator [of the robots]" which I always assumed to be either Diego's symbol or a modified version of it. It wasn't really "Kat's symbol" to begin with. I think Surma and Annie share a symbol too don't they, and that symbol was on the fire creature in Coyote's explanation of Annie's heritage? Surma vs Anthony and Annie vs Kat as Nature/Forest vs Science/Court has been a theme from the start, and we've had Surma = Annie so it seems logical (though unexpected, personally) for Anthony = Kat to be a thing too |
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Post by gpvos on May 27, 2015 12:27:41 GMT
maybe there was an old order Annie gave (Something like 'If I can't give you orders, follow Kat's'). What about panel 6 here? www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=475 |
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Post by brilliantgrey on May 27, 2015 13:02:11 GMT
Okay! So. Kat's symbol is here again. Noice. I have absolutely no theories on how this happened. (I'm pretty much just along for the ride this chapter)
Also, Rey is so CUTE! I want to pet him.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on May 27, 2015 13:08:24 GMT
maybe there was an old order Annie gave (Something like 'If I can't give you orders, follow Kat's'). What about panel 6 here? www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=475Maybe, but Rey kept wearing Antimony's symbol (or a varient) until today's page, implying that the ownership contract didn't transfer until recently. |
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Post by emmau on May 27, 2015 13:38:15 GMT
Feels like forever since we saw Puppy!Rey! I always hoped he'd assume this form again at some point.
I don't think he's Puppy!Rey because of something relating to his feelings about Kat, I think he took this form because he's on a desk and trying to be discreet; his standard wolf form might break the thing, or at least disrupt everything on it.
Next page: Parley going nuts over how cute he is in this form.
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Post by philman on May 27, 2015 13:51:26 GMT
Well this is interesting. I wonder what Rey will have learned from his time with Tony, and what this new symbol on his forehead means in the long term.
Also, that chair... If it is Anthony sitting there, then he must have some teleport powers himself to get there that fast (Brinnie? she always had a thing for him...). Either that, or it is someone else.
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Post by kelantar on May 27, 2015 14:47:18 GMT
Now there is the question of how that particular symbol arrived on Reynardine's forehead. That is a good question, indeed. I don't see Annie openly defying her father (yet). He seems to have her completely under his thumb. So when he asked her to give Rey to him, I would expect she did just that, only it didn't work for some reason. Like a gift given under duress isn't really a gift and therefore no transfer of ownership happens. Something like that would explain why Anthony has no power over Rey, but not why Kat does, though. Could be that while carrying boxes, Kat knocked Rey over or something and said something like "Just give him to me." While under normal circumstances that might not constitute a change in ownership, Rey's desire to stay out of Anthony's hands coupled with Annie being under duress and Kat desiring to take control of him might have given them leeway to say "Well, technically..." Maybe, but Rey kept wearing Antimony's symbol (or a varient) until today's page, implying that the ownership contract didn't transfer until recently. Maybe Annie did still have ownership, but Kat came bursting back in later and said "Hey, remember when Annie said you had to do whatever I say? Well I want you to be mine now." A third possibility? Maybe she straight up stole him, and that was enough to change ownership; after all, we've never really seen how that mechanic would work. The way Eggers put it, I'm not sure they know how taking him away would affect him; the closest we've ever gotten to an answer is this. Even then, the answer is only "kind of." So maybe the kind of means that the contract will be broken, but that he won't be free to do what he wants? Meaning theft could actually transfer ownership. Either way, maybe this means that Rey is the sneak. If Kat has ownership over him now, he'd make an ideal spy. Especially if Kat told Rey to do just enough to convince Anthony that he has control, but to still hold out if he asks him to do anything he doesn't want to do. Speaking of which, I still want to know what it was that Tony asked Rey to do that he didn't want to do. |
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Post by sable0aria on May 27, 2015 15:12:46 GMT
I'm not even going to attempt to guess what is going on, but if it is true that Rey now belongs to Kat instead of Anthony I am going to be stoked. I don't want to get my hopes up just to have them crushed though.
And we still don't know how safe Rey is while Anthony has possession of him regardless of ownership.
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Post by gpvos on May 27, 2015 15:16:10 GMT
Maybe, but Rey kept wearing Antimony's symbol (or a varient) until today's page, implying that the ownership contract didn't transfer until recently. I'm more thinking along the lines that when Annie relinquished control to her father, her ownership lapsed, but the transfer was invalid because made under duress, and therefore the earlier command to listen to Kat took hold. A bit convoluted, I admit. Note, though, that Annie didn't qualify it with an "until I'm back". Apparently Rey hid the symbol from Tony? Or would Tony not understand the meaning of a symbol appearing on Rey's forehead? |
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Post by nero on May 27, 2015 15:27:24 GMT
I didn't even notice the symbol on his head. The robots made it clear that only Kat holds this symbol now. Otherwise she would be surprised to see it. I was distracted by puppy faced Renard.
Its nice seeing that Renard is worried about Annie. I think someone/something small is sitting in the chair as Anthony's guard. He would definitely put some kind of defense/surveillance system in his house.
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Post by catsneezes on May 27, 2015 16:35:44 GMT
My thoughts exactly!! Or a puppy! Either way, it's incredibly adorable. I didn't notice the symbol change till I came to this thread. He's more husky-like. I think people are going with corgi because he's got stumpy legs but I can also see the husky resemblance! |
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Post by Sadie on May 27, 2015 16:39:59 GMT
Annie's underwhelmed and unconvincing " o-oh?" of 'surprise' in response to Anthony remarking on Renard's lack of obedience, followed by her stuttered "I - I don't know why he isn't listening..." sells me on her being fully aware of who actually owns Rey now. She was able to clearly and unhesitatingly say that she gave Renard to her father (because she did give him Rey, she just didn't have the authority to anymore), but she stumbles over the claim that she doesn't know why he wouldn't listen. It's probably the biggest lie she can manage against her father, right now. Dollars to donuts it was one of Kat's "we'll deal with it" plans. Kat couldn't steal Rey, as that would set him free (something he, personally, doesn't actually want), and while I find it completely likely that the girls had set up a back-up plan - an equivalent to the situation of Hetty being passed down through a diary entry - of Rey's ownership defaulting to Kat if something happened to Annie, I don't think this situation counts. To me, the reasoning would be all too convoluted and based on technicalities. Also Kat being completely un-surprised to see Renard with the same Mark of the Creator the robots granted her tells me that she knew he was under her authority. Which additionally implies that it was something that her and Annie arranged off-screen. ALSO, ALSO -- Rey's current form. Annie is the sort of girl who'd own a stuffed wolf. Kat is the sort who would own a stuffed puppy. |
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Post by ninjaraven on May 27, 2015 16:41:41 GMT
I'm wondering that if Annie gave Rey to Kat unintentionally, it went something like this: Kat said on the ride over "Can I have Rey? Can I hold him for a minute at least?" And Annie said "sure" and HANDED him to Kat. Then Kat gave him back to Annie after holding him for a few minutes, THEN Annie gave him to Anthony after.
I wonder if Rey has some influence over who he is bound to - after all, he can just take another thing with eyes if he can find something.
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