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Post by warrl on Nov 26, 2014 23:59:13 GMT
I think the fanbase might possibly survive that. cue another 15 page thread on whether there were enough initial signs of anything... For anyone who wants there to be initial signs, there's plenty of ammunition. Every single bit of which COULD have another interpretation, and unless Tom says something (in-comic or otherwise) there's no way to say which interpretation is correct.
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Post by warrl on Nov 27, 2014 0:03:34 GMT
Antimony is the main character so she is unlikely to be killed off Unlikely, but not impossible; some stories have done that kind of thing before, killing off the initial main character to make way for successors. I'm writing one where the entire story occurs after the main character's death. (And no, it isn't set in an afterlife realm.)
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 27, 2014 2:24:32 GMT
It appears that they're back in the ballroom, which would mean that the ship is now inside the ship. As long as it's not a recursion...
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Post by csj on Nov 27, 2014 2:34:38 GMT
songs eh
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Nov 27, 2014 3:43:40 GMT
I must admit that the Fallout video games are the only reason I knew about the Ink Spots. Whenever I hear their songs, I can't help thinking about slow motion head shots.
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 27, 2014 5:19:14 GMT
And Paz is still overboard. I'm going to worry until I see her back safe. I'm not worried, heh. I think Lindsey's got I covered, and is going to dramatically appear any moment now.
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Post by keef on Nov 27, 2014 9:44:05 GMT
Antimony is the main character so she is unlikely to be killed off Unlikely, but not impossible; some stories have done that kind of thing before, killing off the initial main character to make way for successors. But at present, there are too many unresolved plot threads that need Annie (Jeanne, Anthony, etc.) for her to be written out yet. Indeed, and wouldn't it be odd, to start a story with the main character telling us she'd like to share her experiences, and then halfway that story kill her of off?
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Post by todd on Nov 27, 2014 11:42:28 GMT
Indeed, and wouldn't it be odd, to start a story with the main character telling us she'd like to share her experiences, and then halfway that story kill her of off? Well, Annie's narration disappeared from the comic after the middle of Chapter Fifteen (except for a brief return in the chapter where she and Donald were sending supplies to Anthony), we've occasionally had narration since then from other characters (like Skywatcher), and several chapters have been mainly from the points of view of other charactess in which Annie barely appeared; it's possible that Tom's dropped the idea of Annie as narrator by now.
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Post by jda on Nov 27, 2014 16:25:14 GMT
And Paz is still overboard. I'm going to worry until I see her back safe. I'm not worried, heh. I think Lindsey's got I covered, and is going to dramatically appear any moment now. I know, right? It feels like Lindsey could appear any moment in all her glorious-ness big Keiko mode, and carry Paz on her back. And that's how Paz meets Aquaman
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Post by zimmyzims on Nov 28, 2014 7:47:25 GMT
Antimony is the main character so she is unlikely to be killed off You know, I hope, that I did not mean "would Annie die", like really die, but rather would she emotionally bear being carried from the ship by Jenny after having faked sprained ankle to get in Jack's arms - this with the knowledge that Annie in the forest gave us about her really having a crush on Jack.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 28, 2014 9:05:30 GMT
Antimony is the main character so she is unlikely to be killed off You know, I hope, that I did not mean "would Annie die", like really die, but rather would she emotionally bear being carried from the ship by Jenny after having faked sprained ankle to get in Jack's arms - this with the knowledge that Annie in the forest gave us about her really having a crush on Jack. Head explosion is fatal to most characters, usually. But yeah I knew what you meant though I'd argue it's sort of a psuedeocrush at this point I guess. Like I said, I think Antimony doesn't want to be with anyone at this point but that may change once she sees the advantages of sharing the victory lap with a significant other.
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Post by todd on Nov 28, 2014 11:36:15 GMT
You know, I hope, that I did not mean "would Annie die", like really die, but rather would she emotionally bear being carried from the ship by Jenny after having faked sprained ankle to get in Jack's arms - this with the knowledge that Annie in the forest gave us about her really having a crush on Jack. That one gave me the impression that her crush was on Kamlen.
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Post by zimmyzims on Nov 28, 2014 13:49:18 GMT
You know, I hope, that I did not mean "would Annie die", like really die, but rather would she emotionally bear being carried from the ship by Jenny after having faked sprained ankle to get in Jack's arms - this with the knowledge that Annie in the forest gave us about her really having a crush on Jack. That one gave me the impression that her crush was on Kamlen. There was a passage posted in here from it where Annie took advices on how to lure Jack to chase her.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 28, 2014 15:26:25 GMT
That one gave me the impression that her crush was on Kamlen. There was a passage posted in here from it where Annie took advices on how to lure Jack to chase her. After the Kamlen crush got crushed she defaulted back to Jack. At least coughing up "Jack" as an answer gave her something to talk about with her new friends, as opposed to "I'm not really into anybody" which would have begged the question, "Orly, why not?" and maybe a series of uncomfortable guesses about her being too young, withdrawn, shy, stuck-up, and so forth.
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Post by sidhekin on Nov 28, 2014 16:44:36 GMT
Yeah, but (in hindsight) her odd behaviour towards Jack in Faraway Morning could easily be construed as following the advice she took: "Does that really work?!" ("It does, aye!")
Except: "Unless he's got his sights set on someone else, mind ..." / "Yeah, then you might be in for trouble!"
And, well ...
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Post by aaroncampbell on Nov 28, 2014 17:22:02 GMT
Wow, this page is seriously confusing but wonderful!
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Post by keef on Nov 28, 2014 18:52:15 GMT
That one gave me the impression that her crush was on Kamlen. There was a passage posted in here from it where Annie took advices on how to lure Jack to chase her. It was in that famous 17 page thread at the beginning of this chapter.
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Post by zimmyzims on Nov 28, 2014 20:28:52 GMT
There was a passage posted in here from it where Annie took advices on how to lure Jack to chase her. It was in that famous 17 page thread at the beginning of this chapter. Thanks. That's the one I was talking about. Yeah, but (in hindsight) her odd behaviour towards Jack in Faraway Morning could easily be construed as following the advice she took: "Does that really work?!" ("It does, aye!") Except: "Unless he's got his sights set on someone else, mind ..." / "Yeah, then you might be in for trouble!" And, well ... Indeedly-deed.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 29, 2014 4:26:07 GMT
Yeah, but (in hindsight) her odd behaviour towards Jack in Faraway Morning could easily be construed as following the advice she took: "Does that really work?!" ("It does, aye!") Except: "Unless he's got his sights set on someone else, mind ..." / "Yeah, then you might be in for trouble!" And, well ... The point at which Antimony chooses to scuttle her Forest hairstyle supports that, but the confusing element is that Antimony would want Jack to be attracted to her regardless if she was attracted to him, yes? Remembering back to trying to understand girls at the age of the characters in the comic gives me a migraine but there are some things that I think I can tie to explanations (once they're properly stripped of romanticism, of course). The most debated page was probably #929 where Antimony spouts that bit about getting revenge on Jack for hurting Renard and ditching her to get caught at the etheric extraction plant. And if those issues came up several times while they were talking before she went to the forest so that Jack has felt he had to apologize for those things several times, chances are that Antimony was not over those things entirely. And then there's Antimony's inquiry about the kiss at the end of the chapter. I'm sure I don't have to tell most of this forum about the infamous good-bye kiss from middle-school days of yore. Suffice to say that a kiss can be a gauge of feelings. So... I remain in agreement with Jack about Antimony's motives. She needs to figure some things out but she tricked him good if that was what she was trying to do... but she was already set up in kiss position so she didn't want to go through with it *at that moment* at the very least. Best case for Annie/Jack shippers is that Antimony followed the advice of her forest chums as an excuse for chickening out, but given the evidence in the comic I think it's pretty clear her feelings are mixed at best. Interest is included, sure, but some negative feelings are included as well. The kiss inquiry could have been a couple of things besides a result of straight-up attraction; either she was curious about how things would have gone if she had gone through with the kiss before or once the trigger had been pulled she was somewhat wishing she could recall the bullet.
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Post by Chancellor on Nov 29, 2014 11:43:32 GMT
Go the simple route like me and believe in the far fetched ships. That way the only evidence you need is as simple as what you choose to see.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Nov 29, 2014 16:49:10 GMT
Go the simple route like me and believe in the far fetched ships. That way the only evidence you need is as simple as what you choose to see. I went the simple route, but I choose to believe that Annie was trying to sort out whether she really was attracted to anyone and whether she could be attractive to someone else. I thought the whole chapter was about how young teenagers struggle with their first serious relationships.
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Post by keef on Nov 30, 2014 0:17:19 GMT
Best case for Annie/Jack shippers There is no alternative yet. In real life, a 15 year old sister, daughter or friend in such a situation would make us think that she may be curious about love and for a moment she may be sorry about the missed opportunity of a first kiss, but there are plenty of nice people around to choose from. (or not choose from) But life is so much harder for people in a comic; the moment you are drawn in the same frame as another character, you are shipped. And you will not be unshipped ever, because there is always some fan that will plug all the holes, and completely ignore the fact that al other shippers chose a completely different course. But we the readers have only a limited number of characters to choose from. JackxAnnie still looks like the most watertight ship.
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Post by todd on Nov 30, 2014 1:26:14 GMT
Best case for Annie/Jack shippers There is no alternative yet. In real life, a 15 year old sister, daughter or friend in such a situation would make us think that she may be curious about love and for a moment she may be sorry about the missed opportunity of a first kiss, but there are plenty of nice people around to choose from. (or not choose from) Annie's fourteen, not fifteen. She was twelve in the first year at school and the start of the second, and this is the end of the third year. (I wonder if the real-life span of the comic being longer than the in-story span may have confused some of the readers into thinking that Annie's been one more year at Gunnerkrigg than she has.)
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Post by warrl on Nov 30, 2014 1:42:18 GMT
(I wonder if the real-life span of the comic being longer than the in-story span may have confused some of the readers into thinking that Annie's been one more year at Gunnerkrigg than she has.) Comic-time in Gunnerkrigg Court is passing faster (relative to real-time) than in many other webcomics. Rain began in late 2010 at an in-comic time of very-late August or early September, and it's now early to mid January of the following year. Grrl Power began in mid-2010, and I don't think it has advanced to the second day yet. (If it has, it's pretty recent.)
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 30, 2014 6:54:58 GMT
Best case for Annie/Jack shippers There is no alternative yet. In real life, a 15 year old sister, daughter or friend in such a situation would make us think that she may be curious about love and for a moment she may be sorry about the missed opportunity of a first kiss, but there are plenty of nice people around to choose from. (or not choose from) But life is so much harder for people in a comic; the moment you are drawn in the same frame as another character, you are shipped. And you will not be unshipped ever, because there is always some fan that will plug all the holes, and completely ignore the fact that al other shippers chose a completely different course. But we the readers have only a limited number of characters to choose from. JackxAnnie still looks like the most watertight ship. Antimony has choices but a limited number of characters to choose from, apparently the same ones the reader has seen her interact with in the comic. That's why I said Jack was her default choice. Also note that a "new" character could be introduced who is currently in her class and has been there the entire time.
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Post by zimmyzims on Nov 30, 2014 11:30:14 GMT
Yeah, but (in hindsight) her odd behaviour towards Jack in Faraway Morning could easily be construed as following the advice she took: "Does that really work?!" ("It does, aye!") Except: "Unless he's got his sights set on someone else, mind ..." / "Yeah, then you might be in for trouble!" And, well ... The point at which Antimony chooses to scuttle her Forest hairstyle supports that, but the confusing element is that Antimony would want Jack to be attracted to her regardless if she was attracted to him, yes? Remembering back to trying to understand girls at the age of the characters in the comic gives me a migraine but there are some things that I think I can tie to explanations (once they're properly stripped of romanticism, of course). The most debated page was probably #929 where Antimony spouts that bit about getting revenge on Jack for hurting Renard and ditching her to get caught at the etheric extraction plant. And if those issues came up several times while they were talking before she went to the forest so that Jack has felt he had to apologize for those things several times, chances are that Antimony was not over those things entirely. And then there's Antimony's inquiry about the kiss at the end of the chapter. I'm sure I don't have to tell most of this forum about the infamous good-bye kiss from middle-school days of yore. Suffice to say that a kiss can be a gauge of feelings. So... I remain in agreement with Jack about Antimony's motives. She needs to figure some things out but she tricked him good if that was what she was trying to do... but she was already set up in kiss position so she didn't want to go through with it *at that moment* at the very least. Best case for Annie/Jack shippers is that Antimony followed the advice of her forest chums as an excuse for chickening out, but given the evidence in the comic I think it's pretty clear her feelings are mixed at best. Interest is included, sure, but some negative feelings are included as well. The kiss inquiry could have been a couple of things besides a result of straight-up attraction; either she was curious about how things would have gone if she had gone through with the kiss before or once the trigger had been pulled she was somewhat wishing she could recall the bullet. Personally, I'm not an AnniexJack shipper at all (what shipper I am, you can check in my profile), but in the light of the Forest story it seems at minimum not at all unlikely that the whole "revenge plot" explanation Annie gave to Jacke was just an effort to save her from embarrassment and protect her own feelings as her real plot to play with Jack's feelings and make him chase her to get him wrapped around her finger (because she had a crush on Jack) went wrong as Jack loved someone else, and not her as she had wished. You see, if she actually had a crush on Jack, she now was not only hurt because Jack didn't want her, but more importantly, had she accidentally told that to him, Jack would now have had the upper hand on her, as it would have come clear that it was Annie who was chasing him and he wasn't even primarily interested. So, she invented the revenge plot to not reveal her true feelings, and everything before it was just stupid games to get her the guy she wanted without putting her own feelings at stake before she was sure to have him worshipping her. And that is really the best case for AnniexJack shippers, and it is a relatively strong case. Edit: however, the way Jack's name came up in the Forest scene also allows the case for this being just her randomly experimenting with the only suitable boy he knows. However, she did mention Jack as the boy she likes. The Forest scene also gives some hope for KatxAnnie shippers as she was her instant choice of loved one.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 30, 2014 15:04:09 GMT
The point at which Antimony chooses to scuttle her Forest hairstyle supports that, but the confusing element is that Antimony would want Jack to be attracted to her regardless if she was attracted to him, yes? Remembering back to trying to understand girls at the age of the characters in the comic gives me a migraine but there are some things that I think I can tie to explanations (once they're properly stripped of romanticism, of course). The most debated page was probably #929 where Antimony spouts that bit about getting revenge on Jack for hurting Renard and ditching her to get caught at the etheric extraction plant. And if those issues came up several times while they were talking before she went to the forest so that Jack has felt he had to apologize for those things several times, chances are that Antimony was not over those things entirely. And then there's Antimony's inquiry about the kiss at the end of the chapter. I'm sure I don't have to tell most of this forum about the infamous good-bye kiss from middle-school days of yore. Suffice to say that a kiss can be a gauge of feelings. So... I remain in agreement with Jack about Antimony's motives. She needs to figure some things out but she tricked him good if that was what she was trying to do... but she was already set up in kiss position so she didn't want to go through with it *at that moment* at the very least. Best case for Annie/Jack shippers is that Antimony followed the advice of her forest chums as an excuse for chickening out, but given the evidence in the comic I think it's pretty clear her feelings are mixed at best. Interest is included, sure, but some negative feelings are included as well. The kiss inquiry could have been a couple of things besides a result of straight-up attraction; either she was curious about how things would have gone if she had gone through with the kiss before or once the trigger had been pulled she was somewhat wishing she could recall the bullet. Personally, I'm not an AnniexJack shipper at all (what shipper I am, you can check in my profile), but in the light of the Forest story it seems at minimum not at all unlikely that the whole "revenge plot" explanation Annie gave to Jacke was just an effort to save her from embarrassment and protect her own feelings as her real plot to play with Jack's feelings and make him chase her to get him wrapped around her finger (because she had a crush on Jack) went wrong as Jack loved someone else, and not her as she had wished. You see, if she actually had a crush on Jack, she now was not only hurt because Jack didn't want her, but more importantly, had she accidentally told that to him, Jack would now have had the upper hand on her, as it would have come clear that it was Annie who was chasing him and he wasn't even primarily interested. So, she invented the revenge plot to not reveal her true feelings, and everything before it was just stupid games to get her the guy she wanted without putting her own feelings at stake before she was sure to have him worshipping her. And that is really the best case for AnniexJack shippers, and it is a relatively strong case. Edit: however, the way Jack's name came up in the Forest scene also allows the case for this being just her randomly experimenting with the only suitable boy he knows. However, she did mention Jack as the boy she likes. The Forest scene also gives some hope for KatxAnnie shippers as she was her instant choice of loved one. Protecting her feelings or keeping the upper hand in the argument is no doubt *why* she spouted the revenge stuff but that doesn't make it untrue. Likewise, she can want Jack to chase after her and worship her without her being that into him. So, she might well have been planning to ask him what he was going to do to make her like him more after she told him she didn't like her (there's a sentence of a type that I haven't written since middle-school except in dialogue for characters). Alls I knows is that the plan from the forest friends takes place after the time she spent with Jack hanging out outside the comic and she still has to cycle through those boys in her head to come up with his name with a shrug. I think that makes him more of someone who she might not mind experimenting on with rather than someone she has genuine romantic feelings for, at least through those points in the story.
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