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Post by davidm on Nov 10, 2014 20:37:32 GMT
They have Gamma, which gives them an edge on Zimmy, as well as knowing the layout of this "world" from previous visits. Zimmy may also be able to help by coming towards them. The Seraphs went to the wrong target (Jenny) at *same time* Zimmy was being rescued. Not that unbelievable, it could be we skipped some details because those details weren't a challenge, Zimmy may have had freedom to wander anywheres in the "Tower" so she met them on one side while Jenny played distraction at same time at other side.
Usually when things go smoothly for a while that is hint that things will not go smoothly after... you sometimes get a bigger impact from the storm by having a little "calm" first.
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Post by todd on Nov 10, 2014 23:19:38 GMT
]I don't think the Court simulations can read thoughts and adjust themselves based on those thoughts. Kat being able to affect the shape or appearance of things just by thinking about it is a strong indicator that this is not a Court simulation. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1415I don't think that it could be a Dr. Disaster-style simulator, but it could be dream manipulation, or something... I think the simulation unlikely, if this is just something like "Residential" (there, the "ghost" was a one-shot figure never hinted at in the comic before; by contrast, the "robot religion" element has been a major part of the comic). Unless it ends with the revelation that it's all playing on a television screen in a room in which the Headmaster and a group of other important people at the Court are seated around the table, and one of them says "And this is what our Delphic simulation program foretells if Miss Donlan continues to carry out her robotics experiments." (And even then, we've no evidence that the Court's been paying that much attention to Kat's work.) It certainly takes away from the story if the ship and the Seraphs are just actors, playing out a script laid down for them by the Court, and the ship's not really lusting after Lindsey (though it might explain why they're not concerned about the long-term consequences of their actions). A dream might work - though if so, whose is it? We shift back and forth between Annie and Kat, which would be awkward if only one's having the dream. (If it *is* a dream, I'd suspect Jenny of sending it - with the revelation that she's really some important etheric being who's trying to influence Annie and Kat's perspective on Kat's project and put herself in the dream to handle things.) Or perhaps the whole incident is just a plot-device to introduce Jenny and to advance the "Creator Kat" thread and, once Kat's actually experienced being able to etherically build a new body, Tom's wrapping up the adventure side of the story quickly with a tone of "I don't need them trapped in Zimmy's world any more". Though I still think that, if they get out of it without even a hint of any of that world's monstrous inhabitants showing up (beyond some altered robots who, despite their transformation, are easily defeated at no cost to the students or the robot rescue party), it takes away a lot of the urgency of getting out of there - and undoes much of the work Tom's done since "Dobranoc, Gamma" in building up Zimmy's world as a dangerous, horrific place.)
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Post by Fishy on Nov 11, 2014 2:24:16 GMT
Though it has dangerous potential, I don't feel that Zimmingham is necessarily a dangerous place. Nobodies seem to exist only to scare Zimmy, and even if they do get their hands on her they only seem to mess with her a bit. Zimmy doesn't seem to panic if that happens, either, so I get the impression it's more of an unpleasant experience than a harmful one. Whitelegs drive their hosts mad, but themselves can be dispatched with ease and don't fight back. Zimmy describes them as trying to hitch a ride out of her head, but never as malicious creatures. After all, we've only seen one example of what happens when they get ahold of someone, and others might be less violent than Jack. Even the mutated robots, though gaining more horrific forms, don't seem any more dangerous than they originally were. Perhaps even less so.
I get the feeling that it's not meant to necessarily be a dangerous place. It's Zimmy's nightmare, and it sucks for her because she has to live it all the time, but just like any other nightmare, it can't hurt you. /speculation
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 11, 2014 7:11:11 GMT
The Seraphs went to the wrong target (Jenny) at *same time* Zimmy was being rescued. Er... how so? you sometimes get a bigger impact from the storm by having a little "calm" first. That's "calm"? After all, we've only seen one example of what happens when they get ahold of someone, and others might be less violent than Jack. Yeah, with all this umbrella popping and cleaning cowbots' joints... no wait, the second was already with spiders. It's Zimmy's nightmare, and it sucks for her because she has to live it all the time, but just like any other nightmare, it can't hurt you. /speculation "It's as real as you let it be." And even that was before hole in the sea.
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Post by philman on Nov 11, 2014 7:38:28 GMT
I think the people expecting this to be some action packed chapter are missing the point, that's not really the kind of comic Tom does. We will probably get some sort of explanation as to what happened in a few strips, as well as more danger as we only saw 2 serephs get destroyed. But the "Surprise, Jenny!" moment wouldn't have worked if we had already seen them enter the building.
And this chapter seems dark, it would not surprise me at all if someone died. My prediction: Paz.
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Post by todd on Nov 11, 2014 11:48:54 GMT
Though it has dangerous potential, I don't feel that Zimmingham is necessarily a dangerous place. Nobodies seem to exist only to scare Zimmy, and even if they do get their hands on her they only seem to mess with her a bit. Zimmy doesn't seem to panic if that happens, either, so I get the impression it's more of an unpleasant experience than a harmful one. Whitelegs drive their hosts mad, but themselves can be dispatched with ease and don't fight back. Zimmy describes them as trying to hitch a ride out of her head, but never as malicious creatures. After all, we've only seen one example of what happens when they get ahold of someone, and others might be less violent than Jack. Even the mutated robots, though gaining more horrific forms, don't seem any more dangerous than they originally were. Perhaps even less so. I get the feeling that it's not meant to necessarily be a dangerous place. It's Zimmy's nightmare, and it sucks for her because she has to live it all the time, but just like any other nightmare, it can't hurt you. /speculation I've wondered if that could be the case - indeed, even if what really frightens Zimmy about this place isn't its intrinsic nature, but its significance for her. We know that she was living out on the street when Gamma found her, which couldn't have been pleasant. Maybe she links the nightmare town to the traumatic experiences she underwent before Gamma met her, and fears it for that reason. But I'm still concerned that it takes away much of the urgency of getting away if the students aren't in so much real danger after all. Maybe that'll turn out to be the point; Annie's actions have often turned out to be misguided (all the way back to sending Robot across the bridge to take Shadow2 home - Robot wound up getting possessed and sent back to the Court on a mission that led to more trouble, and Shadow2 was rejected by the rest of the shadow-people), and maybe it'll turn out at the end that instead of sending for help, rescuing Zimmy, and destroying the syphons, Annie and the others should have simply settled down to wait for Kat to make a new body for the ship. (Though, even then, Zimmy does appear in poor condition on this page and the ship's attitude towards Lindsey seems like that of a lust-driven villain - when Paz brings up that Lindsey's happily married, the ship simply says that this is the only way, instead of arguing, say, that her species isn't monogamous.)
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Post by snoodette on Nov 11, 2014 13:54:48 GMT
Given how easily things seems to be going, and the potential absence of the little white circle, is anybody else concerned that one/both of Zimmy/Gamma may be a nobody? We have seen realistic (non-fuzzy faced) nobodies before with the nobody-Kat, who didn't vanish when touched by Annie.
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Post by sidhekin on Nov 11, 2014 14:02:39 GMT
Gamma spoke telepathically with Jack. That would be a new one for a nobody. It would be a nice trick though, double-play nobody.
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Post by zimmyzims on Nov 11, 2014 14:31:27 GMT
They have Gamma, which gives them an edge on Zimmy, as well as knowing the layout of this "world" from previous visits. Zimmy may also be able to help by coming towards them. The Seraphs went to the wrong target (Jenny) at *same time* Zimmy was being rescued. Except that Zimmy and Jenny have swapped shirts, so they had to get Zimmy, with Jenny, before the Seraphs went for Jenny.
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Post by jda on Nov 11, 2014 18:53:54 GMT
And this chapter seems dark, it would not surprise me at all if someone died. My prediction: Paz. On the other hand, the cat-out-of-the-bag in this chapter is the SeraphRevolution that borns from Robot's preachings, so I expect a confrontation (preferably on a communications port, so it'd be in 1/25th of the time, of course) between the DistortedSeraphs and the Prophet of Kat, a short one as the former logical robotical minds now have been tainted by Zimmy's darkness. My prediction: either Shadow dies saving Robot, or the other way.
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Post by lit on Nov 12, 2014 7:01:02 GMT
Jack's goatee in panel 4 seems so large compared to other pages, maybe just a fluke though.
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Post by ctso74 on Nov 12, 2014 14:24:31 GMT
Things are moving awfully fast (from our POV), and Lindsey is still oddly absent... Bonus cool factor: in the end, you'd have some weird Zimmingham version of Atlantis stuck at the bottom of the sea. More R'lyeh than Atlantis. But, that would just make it completely awesome.
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Post by aaroncampbell on Nov 12, 2014 16:44:53 GMT
Bonus cool factor: in the end, you'd have some weird Zimmingham version of Atlantis stuck at the bottom of the sea. More R'lyeh than Atlantis. But, that would just make it completely awesome. I was going to make that connection myself, but I decided to let someone else see it that way!
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 12, 2014 22:25:50 GMT
Given how easily things seems to be going, and the potential absence of the little white circle, is anybody else concerned that one/both of Zimmy/Gamma may be a nobody? We have seen realistic (non-fuzzy faced) nobodies before with the nobody-Kat, who didn't vanish when touched by Annie. Yes, I'm totally worried about this still. Especially Gamma, because without further confirmation, the cell/room she's in here looks very little like where she was found here. And although we've seen nobodies speak before, we don't know whether they can speak telepathically. We'll find out, I suppose...
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Post by sidhekin on Nov 13, 2014 8:00:01 GMT
I find it hard to believe that one of them could be real and the other a nobody. If the nobodies could trick Zimmy and/or Gamma that easily, you'd think they'd have done it long ago.
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