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Post by CoyoteReborn on Oct 6, 2014 16:01:04 GMT
Was there another thread? I checked and didn't see any. I guess the creator had already deleted it. Such a short-lived thread; born 10 seconds late and lived barely a minute. See how easily I gave it a life, and took it away? And I looked upon its corpse, and said: It was worth it. You crack me up, WAHAHAHA!! Does anyone have some glue I can borrow? |
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Post by The Anarch on Oct 6, 2014 16:59:51 GMT
Since she's now acting as the voice of conscience, Paz is showing Kat the path.
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Post by eyemyself on Oct 6, 2014 17:03:52 GMT
Paz seems to be asking the question that should have probably been asked at the very beginning. "Why are you doing this? Why do you think it will get you what you want."
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Post by bykerhill on Oct 6, 2014 19:06:05 GMT
Page in a nutshell:
Kat: "Look at my amazing powers over artificial flesh!"
Paz: "Look at my amazing powers over common sense!"
(Although really, if someone gave me godlike powers over the subject of my current obsession, I'd probably take a second or two to sit down and gush about them myself, especially if there didn't seem to be an immediate alternative.)
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Post by mariposa on Oct 6, 2014 19:15:08 GMT
Paz is showing show serious protagonist potential here! I don't know how likely it is, but I'm really hoping she joins our team of core characters. <3
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Post by setrain on Oct 6, 2014 19:41:01 GMT
I'm sure distraction is part of it, but it actually might be true that the fastest way to get everybody safe from Kat's point of view is to finish doing what the ship is here for so that it can let them out. We have doubts that it even can, but maybe Kat assumes that it can simply order the robots to turn off the field and then everybody will be fine again. She doesn't know much about Zimmingham after all.
Sure the ship is the bad guy, but sometimes you have to just do what the bad guy says when he has a gun pointed at you and your friends. Justice can come later when everybody is safe.
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Post by sapientcoffee on Oct 6, 2014 19:46:03 GMT
Since she's now acting as the voice of conscience, Paz is showing Kat the path.  D'ooooooooohohohoho. |
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Post by The Anarch on Oct 6, 2014 19:54:37 GMT
Since she's now acting as the voice of conscience, Paz is showing Kat the path. D'ooooooooohohohoho.  |
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Post by fish on Oct 6, 2014 21:03:25 GMT
We don't know how much Annie told Kat about Zimmingham. Kat doesn't know what happened to the other students and probably doesn't realize they might be in serious danger. Also, she just discovered she can shape things with her mind. I would react the same way, probably even start taking scientific notes on the whole thing. A shame there seems to be no stationery store in Zimmingham.
But I wonder, Kat is playing with "magic" here. Once they leave Zimmy's mind, even if she can take her creation back to the real world, she's never going to be able to reproduce the result with non-etheric means. Or at least not as satisfyingly fast. I wonder if this experience will bring her closer to the etheric science Anja and Donny use - or even to the court's power station shenanigans. Or maybe the fact that the etheric is hard to explain with conventional science will frustrate her and drive her further away into the "no magic" corner, à la Anthony.
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Post by arkadi on Oct 6, 2014 21:07:22 GMT
Paz is showing show serious protagonist potential here! I don't know how likely it is, but I'm really hoping she joins our team of core characters. <3 Unbeknownst to all, Paz possessed the rarest of powers!  EDIT: Curses! fwip beat me to it!  |
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Post by todd on Oct 6, 2014 22:27:30 GMT
Paz seems to be asking the question that should have probably been asked at the very beginning. "Why are you doing this? Why do you think it will get you what you want." Yes - a pity that Paz didn't ask such questions when the ship first began making its demands, before the crew-bots grabbed Zimmy and Gamma. But there'd have been a lot less story if ehs had (and it's harder to think of such things when you're on the spot). While I hope that Paz will get through to the ship, they'll still have two other big problems even if she does: 1. The Seraphs. They seem more cold-blooded and fanatical than the ship, driven by some mysterious cause rather than by love or desire. It might be a lot more difficult to convince them to give up the experiment and whatever they hope to gain from it - assuming they're even still thinking rationally after the transformation we glimpsed a few weeks ago. 2. Undoing the ship being pulled into Zimmy's world. I doubt that the ship can just switch that off (and we might find out soon that it hadn't even thought things out that far, maybe assuming that the Seraphs were going to handle it). And given the scale of what they were trying to do, even reuniting Zimmy with Gamma might not be enough this time. |
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Post by ctso74 on Oct 6, 2014 22:53:04 GMT
Since she's now acting as the voice of conscience, Paz is showing Kat the path. You just homophone it in these days, don't you? |
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Post by thedoctor on Oct 7, 2014 4:17:03 GMT
Paz is stepping in for Kat's common sense. She knew she kept her around for something... (besides KazPat cuteness of course.) Actually, she's more stepping in for her conscience, but maybe a bit of both. Also: Paz shows us her name is more than just a couple of letters :-) Wisely spotted! Paz probably has to do this all the time with her animals and researchers as well, you know... Why are doing this? (Kat, I mean. Other students are in danger, and you just play with your newly-found ethero-zimmingham-godly-wtf powers.) If you were suddenly given the ability to complete your life's work by a person who would use it for evil ends, wouldn't you play around with it for a little bit before you told them no? Even just to stall them? Here's another way to look at it. Sure the ship is the bad guy, but sometimes you have to just do what the bad guy says when he has a gun pointed at you and your friends. Justice can come later when everybody is safe. I had the uneasy feeling, when reading past threads in this chapter, that one or two of the readers (though not the majority) seemed to think that the ship being in love with Lindsey justified what it did to the students. I'm hoping that Paz will be able to help the ship, at least, realize that its feelings for Lindsey didn't make it right for it to get the schoolchildren into this trouble. (Somebody will have to, with Kat being too distracted by her newfound ability.) This bothered me too. Love is not and should not be a god; it's important, but not the most important thing. When we value it out of proportion to anything else, we can be led to do horrible things. Our society forgets this at its peril. Since she's now acting as the voice of conscience, Paz is showing Kat the path. Wow, I thought this one was actually quite clever, especially for someone whose first language is (most likely) not Spanish! Kat's gone mad scientist. Man, Reynard needs get here soon. He can explain how the girl is just not that into you and getting a body through nefarious means will not make her into to you. The opposite in fact. Calling it now; this is going to be what happens! The Robohirrim  are only going to be there for cleanup! |
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Post by The Anarch on Oct 7, 2014 6:10:45 GMT
You just homophone it in these days, don't you?  I'm just glad to be getting the work, folks! Remember to tip your waitress! Wow, I thought this one was actually quite clever, especially for someone whose first language is (most likely) not Spanish! At least one person appreciates me! |
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Post by jasmijn on Oct 7, 2014 8:12:14 GMT
"You said something about Lindsey?" "Yes, yes. I want to hit that."
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Post by warrl on Oct 7, 2014 8:20:47 GMT
If you were suddenly given the ability to complete your life's work by a person who would use it for evil ends, wouldn't you play around with it for a little bit before you told them no? Even just to stall them? Evil ends? There's nothing evil about desiring to be physically suitable to court the person you're romantically attracted to. Even when that hypothetical courting is certain to fail. Even when you're probably seriously misinformed about what constitutes being physically suitable. It may be (in this case, almost certainly is) incredibly stupid, but it isn't evil. On the other hand, some of the MEANS being employed - coercing Zimmy, trapping a whole bunch of students in the Zimmyverse, assaulting a number of students (yes, sticking those wards on them counts as assault), possibly demanding Kat's cooperation as the price of eventually trying to put the students back... Yes, these MEANS are evil. |
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Post by todd on Oct 7, 2014 10:49:15 GMT
My thought when reading the page was that Kat's excitement stemmed, not from an attempt to appease the ship, but from amazement at her new abilities and how they would improve her robot-building projects - enough to make her forget the situation until Paz (fortunately more level-headed) brought them back to it.
It might have been the same kind of thing as the scientific member of an action hero team that's been dispatched to New York to stop some gigantic insect from destroying the city marveling about how the insect's a member of an extremely rare species and look at the amazing markings on its wings and - "oh, yes, it's demolishing the city and that's not good and we're supposed to stop it".
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Post by todd on Oct 7, 2014 10:54:55 GMT
On the other hand, some of the MEANS being employed - coercing Zimmy, trapping a whole bunch of students in the Zimmyverse, assaulting a number of students (yes, sticking those wards on them counts as assault), possibly demanding Kat's cooperation as the price of eventually trying to put the students back... Yes, these MEANS are evil. My thoughts exactly. The ship's best hope for a defense will be the revelation that the Seraph robots used cunning words and arguments to tempt it into this course as the "devil on its shoulder" (ironic in light of their name - though devils are fallen angels), and that Paz will open its eyes to what it had been doing and lead to an "I'm sorry" moment. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Oct 7, 2014 16:04:21 GMT
On the other hand, some of the MEANS being employed - coercing Zimmy, trapping a whole bunch of students in the Zimmyverse, assaulting a number of students (yes, sticking those wards on them counts as assault), possibly demanding Kat's cooperation as the price of eventually trying to put the students back... Yes, these MEANS are evil. My thoughts exactly. The ship's best hope for a defense will be the revelation that the Seraph robots used cunning words and arguments to tempt it into this course as the "devil on its shoulder" (ironic in light of their name - though devils are fallen angels), and that Paz will open its eyes to what it had been doing and lead to an "I'm sorry" moment. Paz is starting the discussion, but I think Lindsey will become involved to convince ShipBot. And Lindsey's absence is really conspicuous... |
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Post by Purgatorius on Oct 7, 2014 19:20:13 GMT
You made me curious. Please explain. (Non native english speaker here.) Paz is Spanish for Peace. Ah, thank you! (And November). Non native spanish speaker as well. |
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Post by thedoctor on Oct 7, 2014 20:23:07 GMT
If you were suddenly given the ability to complete your life's work by a person who would use it for evil ends, wouldn't you play around with it for a little bit before you told them no? Even just to stall them? Evil ends? There's nothing evil about desiring to be physically suitable to court the person you're romantically attracted to. Even when that hypothetical courting is certain to fail. Even when you're probably seriously misinformed about what constitutes being physically suitable. It may be (in this case, almost certainly is) incredibly stupid, but it isn't evil. On the other hand, some of the MEANS being employed - coercing Zimmy, trapping a whole bunch of students in the Zimmyverse, assaulting a number of students (yes, sticking those wards on them counts as assault), possibly demanding Kat's cooperation as the price of eventually trying to put the students back... Yes, these MEANS are evil. Ooh, good point. That's what I meant (thanks)! Stupid ends, evil means. Though if you carry willful stupidity past a certain point, it could maybe be considered evil. I don't think that point exists with robots, though. (Artificial intelligence and all) My thought when reading the page was that Kat's excitement stemmed, not from an attempt to appease the ship, but from amazement at her new abilities and how they would improve her robot-building projects - enough to make her forget the situation until Paz (fortunately more level-headed) brought them back to it. It might have been the same kind of thing as the scientific member of an action hero team that's been dispatched to New York to stop some gigantic insect from destroying the city marveling about how the insect's a member of an extremely rare species and look at the amazing markings on its wings and - "oh, yes, it's demolishing the city and that's not good and we're supposed to stop it". Yeah, I think that's a pretty accurate comparison. Tho given the bag of mixed motives humans are in general, your last paraphrase is perhaps the best one should expect of people. |
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Post by warrl on Oct 7, 2014 20:31:47 GMT
Though if you carry willful stupidity past a certain point, it could maybe be considered evil. I don't think that point exists with robots, though. (Artificial intelligence and all) As a retired computer programmer, I can assure you that artificial intelligence is much more difficult than artificial insanity. (Artificial catatonia was probably mastered in the 1960s at latest.) Let alone artificial stupidity. |
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Post by FlyingMug on Oct 7, 2014 23:33:44 GMT
Is someone finally going to point out that the male of Lindsey's species is apparently about the size of your standard crab?
Standard here meaning something you smother in Old Bay and whack with a little mallet.
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Post by warrl on Oct 7, 2014 23:42:29 GMT
Is someone finally going to point out that the male of Lindsey's species is apparently about the size of your standard crab? Standard here meaning something you smother in Old Bay and whack with a little mallet. Actually, Bud more closely resembles a lobster. But yeah, he's about the right size for an entree. And I've sort of referred to his size a few times. Such as suggesting that Ship might not even recognize that he and Lindsey are the same species, because of the size difference. (The fact that he's lobster-ish in appearance while Lindsey is crab-ish, wouldn't help either.) I don't think I'm the only one. |
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