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Post by aaroncampbell on Sept 19, 2014 14:08:57 GMT
Presumably Kat's heard some tales from Annie. Paz... not so much. This makes me wonder... Paz's ability to speak with animals, which the robots so conveniently dismissed: how is it going to work here? I mean, now that (we think) the Seraphs and other robots have flesh, does that make them "count" as animals? What about the nobodies? How, if at all, will Paz react telepathically with them? Poor girl; this place has to feel wrong on a very different set of levels, and she doesn't have the mixed blessing of having her ability dampened. |
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Post by aaroncampbell on Sept 19, 2014 14:18:03 GMT
I am starting to think that Jenny is just pretending to be Jack's girlfriend. Jenny is surprisingly fine with this situation. The more we see of her, the more I want to learn about her and Jack. I also get the weird impression that Jack's had a gritty Constantine-esque spin-off comic between this and the last time we saw him. where is this comic tom can I read itDamn. That's an awesome concept. I... I want to read it too. Also: another new member here. Hi folks! Annie had the cut on her face when she was with Zimmy, though. So I guess Zimmy does have some sort of effect on the appearance of people in Zimmingham. [...] My theory for this: Remember when once in Zimmingham, Zimmy said that their real bodys are still on top of the powerstation (iirc)? I guess in Zimmingham, only your etherical self/soul/whatever is present. Because of that, Annie has the cut on her face. If that is the case, no cut and no Mechaangel-kat would mean: this time, Zimmingham is real. Not just an etherical visit in Zimmys messed um brain, but a physical one. With a lot of creatures around that seem very capabale of inflicting physical harm. Also: Hi guys, i'm new.  Welcome, arkadi and ubldu! And shadowhunter too, I see -- it's nice seeing all you new members! I don't know if you're long-time readers of the comic and have just stumbled onto the forums, or long-time lurkers here too, or are new to both the comic and the forums and are jumping into everything with both feel, but whatever your story we're very glad to have you here.  |
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Post by Chromascope 3D on Sept 19, 2014 15:40:25 GMT
Jenny is fast becoming Boss Husbando...
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Post by warrl on Sept 19, 2014 16:31:54 GMT
Speculation: Jenny is ok with being Jack's substitute-Zimmy because she's using Jack to get close to Annie. (That "my love" thing? She really means it - or at least thinks she does.) And yes, Jack knows this.
Speculation 2: while we are seeing mostly Annie's story, actually quite a few of the students have had various etheric or other "non-standard" adventures. If the school officials could just find a way to standardize these things, they'd be an official part of the curriculum.
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Post by Deepbluediver on Sept 19, 2014 16:35:48 GMT
oh snap.
What is Jenny's deal, anyway? She acts like his girlfriend, but knows that he's obsessed with another girl. Perhaps we misinterpreted Jack's attitude towards Zimmy? Well, "obsessed" doesn't necessarily mean the same thing as "attracted" to. Imagine that Jenny took a "so long as you're with me you can't look at or be near other girls" kind of attitude with Jack. Isn't that basically an abusive relationship and the kind of thing the internet normally jumps all over people for? Alternatively, Jenny is totally cool with open relationships. Guess which one I'm voting for!  |
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Post by mariposa on Sept 19, 2014 16:57:10 GMT
Oh no, what if Annie is going to run into the real Kat and not believe it's her?!
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Post by warrl on Sept 19, 2014 17:31:18 GMT
Looks like Jenny is going to have to teach Paz about shielding. (I think Annie probably has better shields than Jenny - but they are instinctive and/or developed at a very young age, and then she never actually studied how she does it, so she wouldn't be a great teacher in an emergency.) It wouldn't surprise me if a few other students are having similar difficulties. Some will already have shields, and a lot will be immune to the mental effects for one reason or another (Kat for example is an entirely different sort of dangerous rarity), but there'll be a few. |
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Post by fwip on Sept 19, 2014 17:35:02 GMT
Speculation 2: while we are seeing mostly Annie's story, actually quite a few of the students have had various etheric or other "non-standard" adventures. If the school officials could just find a way to standardize these things, they'd be an official part of the curriculum. I'm going to guess that most students in Chester do get involved in etheric shenanigans, but that's because all of the students with an etheric affinity are shunted to there. No doubt the students in the other three houses experience a more standard curriculum. (Although, that doesn't really explain how Kat ended up in Chester. Perhaps because of her mother - either they hoped that she had inhereted some etheric talent, or they knew how successful Anja had been in manipulating the ether beyond her natural talent. |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Sept 19, 2014 18:21:24 GMT
Speculation 2: while we are seeing mostly Annie's story, actually quite a few of the students have had various etheric or other "non-standard" adventures. If the school officials could just find a way to standardize these things, they'd be an official part of the curriculum. I'm going to guess that most students in Chester do get involved in etheric shenanigans, but that's because all of the students with an etheric affinity are shunted to there. No doubt the students in the other three houses experience a more standard curriculum. (Although, that doesn't really explain how Kat ended up in Chester. Perhaps because of her mother - either they hoped that she had inhereted some etheric talent, or they knew how successful Anja had been in manipulating the ether beyond her natural talent. ...what? www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=16Kat and Annie are in Queslett. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=268Mighty Eyebrows Boy is also Queslett and Parley's in Thornhill. ETA: And don't forget Foley www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=979 |
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Post by Daedalus on Sept 19, 2014 18:27:08 GMT
I'm going to guess that most students in Chester do get involved in etheric shenanigans, but that's because all of the students with an etheric affinity are shunted to there. No doubt the students in the other three houses experience a more standard curriculum. (Although, that doesn't really explain how Kat ended up in Chester. Perhaps because of her mother - either they hoped that she had inhereted some etheric talent, or they knew how successful Anja had been in manipulating the ether beyond her natural talent. ...what? www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=16Kay and Annie are in Queslett. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=268Mighty Eyebrows Boy is also Queslett and Parley's in Thornhill. Most students at Gunnerkrigg Court have abilities, but apparently Chester is (or was, at least) where the 'weirdest' ended up. And Zimmy (presumably with Gamma) is from there. Have we met any other Chester students? Because if they're all as unstable as Zimmy, the fabric of the universe is in danger. Speculation 2: while we are seeing mostly Annie's story, actually quite a few of the students have had various etheric or other "non-standard" adventures. If the school officials could just find a way to standardize these things, they'd be an official part of the curriculum. Though this is probably true to some degree (plot twist: Janet and Winsbury really did meet that way!), we know Annie is the only student who has been this involved with the Forest. It also seems likely that she's poked further into the history of Diego and Jeanne than the other students. In essence, everyone may have adventures, but Annie is digging in places the others aren't. |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Sept 19, 2014 18:31:11 GMT
Most students there have abilities, but apparently Chester is (or was, at least) where the 'weirdest' ended up. And Zimmy (presumably with Gamma) is from there. Have we met any other Chester students? Because if they're all as unstable as Zimmy, the fabric of the universe is in danger. Yeah, but Kat still isn't, or ever was, in Chester. |
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Post by Daedalus on Sept 19, 2014 18:32:14 GMT
Most students there have abilities, but apparently Chester is (or was, at least) where the 'weirdest' ended up. And Zimmy (presumably with Gamma) is from there. Have we met any other Chester students? Because if they're all as unstable as Zimmy, the fabric of the universe is in danger. Yeah, but Kat still isn't, or ever was, in Chester. Agreed; I was just pointing out the fact that the strongest etheric powers do indeed seem to end up in Chester (though, admittedly, one data point does not a trend make). |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Sept 19, 2014 18:36:31 GMT
Yeah, but Kat still isn't, or ever was, in Chester. Agreed; I was just pointing out the fact that the strongest etheric powers do indeed seem to end up in Chester (though, admittedly, one data point does not a trend make). O....k? I've not disagreed with that. I have no idea what comment of mine you're nitpicking. |
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Post by warrl on Sept 19, 2014 18:43:59 GMT
Speculation 2: while we are seeing mostly Annie's story, actually quite a few of the students have had various etheric or other "non-standard" adventures. If the school officials could just find a way to standardize these things, they'd be an official part of the curriculum. I'm going to guess that most students in Chester do get involved in etheric shenanigans, but that's because all of the students with an etheric affinity are shunted to there. No doubt the students in the other three houses experience a more standard curriculum. (Although, that doesn't really explain how Kat ended up in Chester. That's okay, you don't need to explain how Kat ended up in Chester. Because she and Annie, and most of the regular crew of students, are in Queslett. Gamma and Zimmy are in Chester. Anja and Surma were originally assigned there but got moved to Queslett. Shadow and the folk who came over from the forest are in Foley. And Parley provided the only mention of Thornhill (that I can recall) since we were first told about the house system. So there are students with special talents, abilities, or origins in all four of the houses. Well, the school officials were right that Kat is powerful, but they seriously underestimated how powerful and were totally wrong about what kind of power. |
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Post by warrl on Sept 19, 2014 18:46:51 GMT
Speculation 2: while we are seeing mostly Annie's story, actually quite a few of the students have had various etheric or other "non-standard" adventures. If the school officials could just find a way to standardize these things, they'd be an official part of the curriculum. Though this is probably true to some degree (plot twist: Janet and Winsbury really did meet that way!), we know Annie is the only student who has been this involved with the Forest. It also seems likely that she's poked further into the history of Diego and Jeanne than the other students. In essence, everyone may have adventures, but Annie is digging in places the others aren't. Yes, while others are digging in places Annie isn't. |
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Post by Daedalus on Sept 19, 2014 18:53:36 GMT
Agreed; I was just pointing out the fact that the strongest etheric powers do indeed seem to end up in Chester (though, admittedly, one data point does not a trend make). O....k? I've not disagreed with that. I have no idea what comment of mine you're nitpicking. I did not mean to nitpick your post. That's my fault, sorry - I meant to discuss with fwip about his post. I was not disagreeing with yours at all; I just quoted it because I wanted to have that information to add to what I was saying, and I forgot you'd be the one who was notified rather than him Though this is probably true to some degree (plot twist: Janet and Winsbury really did meet that way!), we know Annie is the only student who has been this involved with the Forest. It also seems likely that she's poked further into the history of Diego and Jeanne than the other students. In essence, everyone may have adventures, but Annie is digging in places the others aren't. Yes, while others are digging in places Annie isn't. I'm afraid I don't follow? |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Sept 19, 2014 19:06:08 GMT
O....k? I've not disagreed with that. I have no idea what comment of mine you're nitpicking. I did not mean to nitpick your post. That's my fault, sorry - I meant to discuss with fwip about his post. I was not disagreeing with yours at all; I just quoted it because I wanted to have that information to add to what I was saying, and I forgot you'd be the one who was notified rather than him Ah, yeah, that's gotten me a couple times here - I'm used to a board...style? culture? where you quote the people you're responding/talking to and posts that are jump off points are stated as such. One day I'll get the feel of this place. *looks at join date and post number* *tries not to cry* One day... ETA: Or maybe it's more precise to say a more argumentative board culture, thus agreements have to be stated. Hm. |
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Post by warrl on Sept 19, 2014 19:09:08 GMT
I'm afraid I don't follow? Some other student(s) followed those footprints to see where they led... |
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Post by crater on Sept 19, 2014 19:48:35 GMT
maybe Paz hears the tortured screams of all the little critters zimmy has killed due to self defense
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Post by fwip on Sept 19, 2014 19:58:36 GMT
Alright, I typically research my posts but I'm on a small, dim laptop outside and I'm like 'eh, it's probably correct' and just posted it. Sorry!  |
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Post by thedoctor on Sept 19, 2014 21:26:22 GMT
My first reaction to this page: "KAT AND PAZ ARE OK OH GOOD I CAN BREATHE AGAIN *GASP*" For me it looks like Paz is the one suffering from the etheric distortion and Kat is comforting her. Paz has an etheric-like talent (animal telepathy/communication). Kat’s talent (tech/robotics) in non-etheric. As others have said and like the ROTD, Kat may not “feel” Zimmingham like Paz, Annie, or Jack. It appears Paz is sensitive and shocked.  Poor Paz. Whether or not she's being affected, this still has to be incredibly traumatic when you barely even know what's going on... Speculation: Jenny is ok with being Jack's substitute-Zimmy because she's using Jack to get close to Annie. (That "my love" thing? She really means it - or at least thinks she does.) And yes, Jack knows this. Speculation 2: while we are seeing mostly Annie's story, actually quite a few of the students have had various etheric or other "non-standard" adventures. If the school officials could just find a way to standardize these things, they'd be an official part of the curriculum. I some people are taking the potential shipping off of that phrase way too seriously (though...this is Gunnerkrigg...). I'll just say, as a linguist and scholar of English by trade, that I am almost sure that "my love" is just a dialectal expression. I am starting to think that Jenny is just pretending to be Jack's girlfriend. Yeah, I'm torn between that, and that they're together through their shared interest in being human gnostic discoverers. I also get the weird impression that Jack's had a gritty Constantine-esque spin-off comic between this and the last time we saw him. where is this comic tom can I read itI'm starting to feel sorry about this girl. Or she's as curious as a hyperactive catgirl. Wait, I'm confused. Are there non-hyperactive catgirls? They do exist, but catgirls, like cats, have only two settings; "hyperactive" and "sleep." Thus you almost never see the non-hyperactive ones.  |
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Post by nero on Sept 19, 2014 21:30:59 GMT
Seems like Jenny knows what Jack's deal is. I do hope that Annie did the same and told everything she knew about Zimmingham to Kat.
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Post by fish on Sept 19, 2014 21:50:20 GMT
Just had a thought: imagine Lindsey was somewhere near the boat when Zimmy "tore the sea"; the seraphs merged with Kat's prototype and the ship with Lindsey instead. Oh yeah, what a great picture that would be! (inspired by that ominous water in the last panel)
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Post by keef on Sept 19, 2014 22:20:14 GMT
Except for Zimmy, the ship and Lindsey all the main players of this chapter accounted for. Paz and Gamma are hurting, Paz.. maybe Paz hears the tortured screams of all the little critters zimmy has killed due to self defense ..maybe because she can hear the whitelegs that are still around. Thousands of spiders whispering telepathically. Jack almost went mad from the whispering of one whiteleg. Gamma is probably picking up Zimmy's thoughts, and her panic. Oh Kat and Paz...  What are those robots going to do with you two. Which robots? I think the seraphs have become part of Zimmingham, the sailorbots are part of the ship, and we don't know what happened to it. Why should she? People don't normally change appearances in Zimmingham. Annie never looked like the fire elemental, either. But we don't know that Annie ever has looked to Zimmy like a fire elemental except when she entered Annie's head during Divine. Usually we see Annie's point of view. In Divine we saw things through Zimmy's eyes. She only saw the elemental when she looked deeper in Annie's "spirit", so she doesn't see it normally No |
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Post by todd on Sept 19, 2014 22:33:58 GMT
I was half joking and half speculating that Jenny was working with the Bots. But given what todd said about humans manipulating the Bots into doing this ( gunnerkrigg.proboards.com/post/107884/thread ) and the knowledge Jenny gained from Jack about Zimmy, I think there is more to this idea than just speculation. It was just speculation - though based on the question I keep wondering "How did the robots successfully research everything else and yet get Zimmy's abilities so wrong?" And I wondered. after seeing the speculation about Jenny working with them - what if someone gave them a carefully edited version of the Court's files on Zimmy that conveniently left out that she couldn't control her abilities, and that they were connected to a nightmarish horror-world filled with Nobodies and giant spiders that can possess people? But it's also possible that the Court didn't have that information in its records on Zimmy (only Annie, Jack, Zimmy, and Gamma had visited Zimmy's world before this chapter - as far as we know - so the Court administration might not know the details about it), or that the robots simply ignored it - or that Zimmy was the only person at Gunnerkrigg whose powers could help Kat make the ship flesh, so they had to go after her. (And these are the same robots who think that the best way of concealing their headquarters is to put a big sign outside saying "No robots here" and "Not a secret base". A case of artificial intelligence being artificial.) I've noticed other flaws in the robots' plan, of course, such as: a. Does the ship really think that Lindsey will overlook its disrupting the cruise that she was serving as chaperone for? (Maybe if it assumes that Lindsey will overlook what it put her charges through because of how it looks in its new form - though if it does, I'd like to see her say to it "You assumed wrong".) b. What are the robots going to do after this? There's no way they can keep this secret from the Court for long if they go back - not with all those students as witnesses. But where would they go, in that case? Where else could robots like that stay than at the Court? And once the ship vanishes with an entire year of students on board, the Court's certain to go looking for them - can the Seraphs hide from it forever? Maybe it is all part of the limitations of the robots' intelligence. Or maybe they're the front men of a more cunning plan that involves getting into Zimmy's world, with the robots as the unwitting tools of that scheme, duped into thinking that it's about making the cruise ship flesh. And if there's a human mastermind behind it, that person might have also arranged (if clever enough) for none of the human adults to be on board (something that's been brought up as an oversight of the Court) - maybe convincing everyone that someone else was going to take the job and making certain they didn't compare notes - and seeing to it that Zimmy and Gamma *were* on board. This is just a further speculation - but what if Jack's behind this (or partly behind this, in conjunction with Jenny)? He's read the files on the students, and could have shared those with the robots (with the aforementioned selective editing of Zimmy's file) - might have also helped them get the talismans and the siphons. (Though he protests Zimmy's being on board - but was that clever acting to draw suspicion away from himself? He also helps Annie send her blinker stone for help - but might have been counting on the ship being cut off from the Court once it entered Zimmy's world - and it *is* going to Reynardine, whom Jack knows the Court doesn't trust that well. And it might be a little too convenient that Jack and Jenny had left the dance room before the robots showed up - as if carefully keeping out of the way.) And he seems a little too glad to be back - especially after his earlier remarks about how Zimmy oughtn't to be there. Maybe that obsession with Zimmy was darker than we thought. Or maybe he's innocent and I'm reading too much into his actions. Only the rest of the chapter will tell for certain. |
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Post by todd on Sept 19, 2014 23:02:45 GMT
Presumably Kat's heard some tales from Annie. Paz... not so much. This makes me wonder... Paz's ability to speak with animals, which the robots so conveniently dismissed: how is it going to work here? I mean, now that (we think) the Seraphs and other robots have flesh, does that make them "count" as animals? What about the nobodies? How, if at all, will Paz react telepathically with them? Poor girl; this place has to feel wrong on a very different set of levels, and she doesn't have the mixed blessing of having her ability dampened. Have the robots been made flesh? The evidence from a couple of pages ago suggests that the Seraphs have certainly been warped into something, but I wonder whether that "make me flesh" was just the plot device to motivate the robots nito grabbing Zimmy and Gamma and keeping them apart from each other long enough for Zimmy's abilities to activate - and which will now be dropped since its function in the story has been completed. (The robots' belief that Zimmy could help make them flesh could have been more of their misunderstanding of her powers.) I certainly suspect that the robots have been changed enough by their entrance to Zimmy's world that they might not remember their original objective. Horrible thought: the robots have been taken over by some other horror lurking in Zimmy's world, and what we'll see when we meet them is merely their distorted shells, playing host to something else - when we look at them, what we're really seeing is what killed them. (And, yes, I was thinking of the first episode of "Buffy" when I wrote that last part.) Kat's robot limb has vanished, and she's busy comforting a distraught Paz rather than working for the robots - and I'm not sure there's been time enough since the shift took place, three pages back, for her to carry out her part of the task (whatever it might have been). |
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Post by todd on Sept 19, 2014 23:03:16 GMT
Duplicate post deleted. Sorry about that.
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Post by ctso74 on Sept 19, 2014 23:06:35 GMT
..maybe because she can hear the whitelegs that are still around. Thousands of spiders whispering telepathically. Jack almost went mad from the whispering of one whiteleg. Egad! Hadn't thought of that. Of course, until we know how a Level 6 Etheric Distortion is different, we won't know if we'll see any whitelegs... or worse. |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Sept 20, 2014 3:52:03 GMT
My gut feeling is that the robots came up with this idea on their own. They used Court resources, but the idea/plan was theirs.
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Post by TBeholder on Sept 20, 2014 7:14:09 GMT
My gut feeling is that the robots came up with this idea on their own. They used Court resources, but the idea/plan was theirs. Assuming no one else at the Court is suicidally insane. |
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Poor Paz. Whether or not she's being affected, this still has to be incredibly traumatic when you barely even know what's going on...
What are those robots going to do with you two.
