lit
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Post by lit on Nov 30, 2013 3:29:58 GMT
Well, Annie might not like it, but I can't really see her actually blowing up the way she did at Mort or Renard. I mean, what can she use to accuse Kat? What ammunition, what argument against Kat's behavior doesn't fall apart under its own weight? For Mort, she was caught off guard: For Renard, it was clear retaliation as part of a longer argument. Although, I will admit it's a possibility. Even though we know this is the first time Kat and Paz have really acknowledged the extent and type of their feelings for one another, Annie can at least tell that this has to have been developing for some time. She may be under the impression that Kat and Paz have been secretly kissing for a while and Kat never told her. Which could be shocking and upsetting given that Annie and Kat are super close. It's kind of hurtful, actually. I do think the time for a temper flash sort of thing has passed by now, but she might be kind of snappy when she gets back. I'm sure she'd come around eventually if Kat gets a chance to explain her side.
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 30, 2013 7:08:06 GMT
I can see the dialogue going in that direction, but it doesn't change the fact that what's in this page is plain hamfisted. I think some people are having a hard time with Tom adding [...] This is not Ham-fisted at all, there is no bungling or clumsy attempt. Renard has made his statements succinctly. Just because some people are hurt at what he says doesn't make him wrong, It seems to be a reflex that happens on certain keyword combinations and prevents full parsing of sentences. To think of it... I wouldn't put it past Tom to choose this avenue just for fun at this point. Because we know he can occasionally be tempted into winking trolling or sticking tongue at the most numskulled fanwonkiness. And, well, it's really kind of amusing how Americans always jump up and proclaim their undying loyalty. See half of the comments both here and there either screaming how the comic is omgruinedforever!!1 or copypasting some wiki duckspeak?.. Imagine that you can cause this just by pressing a button. Would you leave it alone?
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Post by GK Sierra on Nov 30, 2013 7:26:26 GMT
I think some people are having a hard time with Tom adding [...] This is not Ham-fisted at all, there is no bungling or clumsy attempt. Renard has made his statements succinctly. Just because some people are hurt at what he says doesn't make him wrong, See half of the comments both here and there either screaming how the comic is omgruinedforever!!1 or copypasting some wiki duckspeak?.. Imagine that you can cause this just by pressing a button. Would you leave it alone? To be fair, I'm sure it's not solely Americans taking an anti-PazxKat position. Most young people here give as little of a crap about what sexuality you are as their counterparts abroad. Plus, there are also people "over there" who like to troll just because trolling is fun to them because that's what kind of website it is. Hence the creepy guy.
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 30, 2013 7:45:13 GMT
Most young people here give as little of a crap about what sexuality you are as their counterparts abroad. Of course, they don't. But when any plastic sacred cow of Wilde Party is villainously "bashed" by some oldthinkers who unbellyfeel, they will jump at the call, get "offended!!1" and start talking points regurgitation. I mean, if we can see "Apple brand < time-traveling-mary-sue>res against Corporate Evils" now and then, expecting any vocal minority to actually give a crap about things that bring froth to their mouths would be... amusingly naive.
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Post by hypetrain on Nov 30, 2013 10:15:45 GMT
I've been perfectly clear on what my argument has been all along and the reasons for holding that position, since your reading comprehension is lacking I'll break things down for you: 1282 contains much bad writing, the most notable example being Rey attempting to support his point by using language which is demonstrably untrue; "a voice will never be silenced when it has something to say" Never is a pretty strong word, for this statement to be shown as being false all it takes is a single example of a person who had much yet to say but died before getting the chance. Alexander Litvinenko (the man in the picture) is such an example. For a more concrete example, imagine all the things you yourself have yet to speak up about and how your input on those topics would be lost forever if you suddenly died. While I may agree with the underlying sentiment it makes the whole episode come off as being extremely preachy when a character uses such poor argumentative technique. OK, so basically you are being rude and patronising, and once again you are just stating the same thing again. Let me break this down for you for your reading comprehension and writing capability since they are lacking: - You have (at least until the post I've just quoted) been repeating "this is bad writing because what Rey is saying is strongly worded/arguments aren't true", "Tom is preaching" etc without addressing the criticisms of your view such as that Rey often talks like that anyway, Rey has been discriminated against by humans, you clearly didn't have an issue with other instances where a character has out-and-out professed their support for a particular point of view, and that normalisation of 'social deviance' is perhaps something that is more subtly conveyed through the way the overall story has been told- eg in characters' perceptions of Zimmy and Gamma or Robot and Shadow. - Not all of us would recognise Litvinenko, especially with no context or caption. I'm a doctor. What do I see? A patient. This seems irrelevant to me until you explain it. It's a big leap from putting a picture of Litvinenko to a specific criticism of Tom's writing. (Plus Litvinenko himself may have been 'silenced' by being killed but his words and messages have not. They're still out there.) - Saying "kill yourself" on a forum is just plain offensive. I get that maybe you were trying to say "if you die, then your voice is literally silenced", but that wording, ugh. That is what I'm saying about proofreading your posts. You need to think about how other people might read them. We do not exist in your head, and we cannot mind read. Clearly you can communicate quite well when you put the effort in. Please continue to put the effort in. - Nothing Rey has said has ever been false, until now. If that isn't out of character I don't know what is. - Not being able to recognise Litvinenko is one thing, not being able to google him is another. You cannot defend being lazy, neither can you claim that "his message is still out there" when none of the claims Litvinenko made have been thoroughly investigated. - Being an asshole does not make me wrong, you have no argument.
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Post by GK Sierra on Nov 30, 2013 10:35:00 GMT
- Being an asshole does not make me wrong, you have no argument. 3/10 I replied once or twice. Still pretty mediocre trolling, and you kind of gave it away since you copied and pasted your first post directly from /со/. Still, you should be getting home now, it's late. >>>> /4chan/
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Post by snipertom on Nov 30, 2013 11:18:26 GMT
- Being an asshole does not make me wrong, you have no argument. 3/10 I replied once or twice. Still pretty mediocre trolling, and you kind of gave it away since you copied and pasted your first post directly from /со/. Still, you should be getting home now, it's late. >>>> /4chan/Copypasta from The Butt Zone ? That's pretty friggin' embarrassing. Very mediocre trolling indeed.
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Post by hypetrain on Nov 30, 2013 11:46:45 GMT
>I don't agree with something >I can't argue my point >Thus, the person is trolling me
Solid logic
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Post by legion on Nov 30, 2013 11:58:12 GMT
You came here solely to bring up a confrontational, nonsensical, copy-pasted argument while being rude as shit. That's the textbook definition of a troll.
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Post by hypetrain on Nov 30, 2013 11:59:45 GMT
I challenge you to show how my argument is incorrect.
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Post by legion on Nov 30, 2013 12:05:06 GMT
I challenge to shut up. Oh wait, you can't do that, you are pathologically compelled to vomit words. Sorry for being insensitive to your disability.
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Post by arf on Nov 30, 2013 12:16:16 GMT
It's true that Annie has reacted in a very jerkish fashion on occasion (the last being that bitch act she tried to pull on Jack). I also think that she's had an accelerated course in maturing since then. How she reacts now will be a fair test of that maturity. There are hints that she already suspected, but OTK...
Hmm! Speaking of maturity or lack, Rey's last remark has me imagining the entire gang from Queslett North bursting in to sing the opening song from Fiddler on The Roof.
"Traditiooooooon! TraDiTion!!"
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 30, 2013 12:38:05 GMT
Khm. Jokes aside, though... does GC have any traditions of its own? Especially students? No way they didn't pick up at least a few quirks related to holidays.
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Post by arf on Nov 30, 2013 13:09:33 GMT
Khm. Jokes aside, though... does GC have any traditions of its own? Especially students? No way they didn't pick up at least a few quirks related to holidays. The sneak-out evenings? Bud's subsequent comments to Lindsay about the trouble their parents caused suggests a long history. Hmm! They seem to occur near the start of each year. I predict the next outing involves a collision between 10QN with 9FS. Another tradition that PazKat had better become aware of!
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Post by snipertom on Nov 30, 2013 13:32:12 GMT
OK, so basically you are being rude and patronising, and once again you are just stating the same thing again. Let me break this down for you for your reading comprehension and writing capability since they are lacking: - You have (at least until the post I've just quoted) been repeating "this is bad writing because what Rey is saying is strongly worded/arguments aren't true", "Tom is preaching" etc without addressing the criticisms of your view such as that Rey often talks like that anyway, Rey has been discriminated against by humans, you clearly didn't have an issue with other instances where a character has out-and-out professed their support for a particular point of view, and that normalisation of 'social deviance' is perhaps something that is more subtly conveyed through the way the overall story has been told- eg in characters' perceptions of Zimmy and Gamma or Robot and Shadow. - Not all of us would recognise Litvinenko, especially with no context or caption. I'm a doctor. What do I see? A patient. This seems irrelevant to me until you explain it. It's a big leap from putting a picture of Litvinenko to a specific criticism of Tom's writing. (Plus Litvinenko himself may have been 'silenced' by being killed but his words and messages have not. They're still out there.) - Saying "kill yourself" on a forum is just plain offensive. I get that maybe you were trying to say "if you die, then your voice is literally silenced", but that wording, ugh. That is what I'm saying about proofreading your posts. You need to think about how other people might read them. We do not exist in your head, and we cannot mind read. Clearly you can communicate quite well when you put the effort in. Please continue to put the effort in. - Nothing Rey has said has ever been false, until now. If that isn't out of character I don't know what is. Firstly, Rey is stating something that he believes to be the truth; even with Annie, if he unaware something is false, he can still say that thing as he is acting in good faith. And secondly he is capable of lying to those who are not Annie. Proof? Look at Word of Tom: gunnerkrigg.wikia.com/wiki/Word_of_Tom:_ReynardineWe haven't spent enough time, really, with Rey to know if he's ever lied about other things. Quicksilver was notable among other things for showing us a great deal of Rey, and not just in the context of him reacting to the people around him. I challenge you to prove that he's never lied in the comic to anyone else, since this is your claim and the burden of proof is upon you. - Not being able to recognise Litvinenko is one thing, not being able to google him is another. You cannot defend being lazy, neither can you claim that "his message is still out there" when none of the claims Litvinenko made have been thoroughly investigated. If your post is a non-sequitur that requires people to use Google Image Search, then you have failed at communicating clearly. If you had mentioned Litvinenko by name that would be a completely different matter. - Being an asshole does not make me wrong, you have no argument. Whether or not you are right or wrong, what I was calling out was your refusal to behave appropriately, write coherent and legible posts or even use the quote system properly; in other words I was calling out the fact that you are being an asshole (your word). My argument stands; this is not 4chan, you are a n00b here, you clearly haven't read the rules of the forum (which includes the one about not being an asshole) and you are behaving like an asshole.
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Post by hypetrain on Nov 30, 2013 14:37:13 GMT
You want me to prove a negative? That's cute
And you still can't come up with anything other than calling me a poopy head. You're not terribly good at this.
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Post by philman on Nov 30, 2013 14:58:59 GMT
The amount of stuff this hypetrain guy takes ridiculously literally (if you die then your voice is silenced (which is untrue anyway if you have ever spoken your ideas to anyone or written them down anywhere.)) makes me think he is a court robot stumbled across the forum.
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Post by lit on Nov 30, 2013 15:52:54 GMT
For all we know it could literally be true in this fictional universe wherein deities might be made out of dead people's beliefs that become etheric power or whatever Coyote was getting at. I really think this is a significant, meaningful reading of this page.
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Post by Nepycros on Nov 30, 2013 16:46:05 GMT
You want me to prove a negative? That's cute And you still can't come up with anything other than calling me a poopy head. You're not terribly good at this. Pssst, you skipped RIGHT past the guys who decently pointed out your trollish behavior without addressing them. You're avoiding them, knowing you'll eventually be found out. We oughta petition to ban you right off. XD
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Post by warrl on Nov 30, 2013 16:50:16 GMT
Khm. Jokes aside, though... does GC have any traditions of its own? Especially students? No way they didn't pick up at least a few quirks related to holidays. The sneak-out evenings? Bud's subsequent comments to Lindsay about the trouble their parents caused suggests a long history. Hmm! They seem to occur near the start of each year. I predict the next outing involves a collision between 10QN with 9FS. Another tradition that PazKat had better become aware of!Kids sneaking out and getting into mischief are not school traditions. They are kid traditions. (The exact form, of course, can be school traditions - but sneaking out for an unsupervised* gathering where they really don't do anything the adults would object to, not so much.) * (And the gathering in Faraway Morning wasn't really all that unsupervised. Although most of the kids probably thought it was.)
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Post by hypetrain on Nov 30, 2013 17:04:56 GMT
You want me to prove a negative? That's cute And you still can't come up with anything other than calling me a poopy head. You're not terribly good at this. Pssst, you skipped RIGHT past the guys who decently pointed out your trollish behavior without addressing them. You're avoiding them, knowing you'll eventually be found out. We oughta petition to ban you right off. XD I have no obligation to respond to every irrelevant thing people say.
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Post by Elysium on Nov 30, 2013 17:22:14 GMT
I challenge you to show how my argument is incorrect. You're just nitpicking over a choice of words, h ardly an argument
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Post by GK Sierra on Nov 30, 2013 17:36:58 GMT
>I don't agree with something >I can't argue my point >Thus, the person is trolling me Solid logic >can't even greentext properly >entire argument is based on one word that Renard said >RENARD SAID NEVER AND TECHNICALLY THAT IS WRONG SO THIS ENTIRE COMIC IS SHIT NOW, TERRIBLE WRITING >2013 >Being this obvious >Being this desperate for attention from internet strangers you don't even like >my face when Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to introduce you to a new feature of proboards since the update in June: The block button! Conveniently situated on the userpage of every user, this thing is great for trolls of types, shapes and sizes! It works just as well on experienced trolls as it does on amateurs like this one! You can even make all of their posts disappear so it's like they don't even exist! Once you've blocked, kindly click the report post button, another handy feature!
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Post by Gotolei on Nov 30, 2013 17:42:32 GMT
You want me to prove a negative? That's cute And you still can't come up with anything other than calling me a poopy head. You're not terribly good at this. Pssst, you skipped RIGHT past the guys who decently pointed out your trollish behavior without addressing them. You're avoiding them, knowing you'll eventually be found out. We oughta petition to ban you right off. XD 1: Do not be a jerk.The simplest and most important rule.Use your common sense. If you are a jerk, I will ban you without discussion. Sounds simple enough..who has a twitter? E: or the aforementioned report button, I'm guessing there's email notifications involved? (also not sure if the avatar might be against rule 3 but whatevs, I'm not gonna backseat mod)
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Post by Gotolei on Nov 30, 2013 17:42:53 GMT
The sneak-out evenings? Bud's subsequent comments to Lindsay about the trouble their parents caused suggests a long history. Hmm! They seem to occur near the start of each year. I predict the next outing involves a collision between 10QN with 9FS. Another tradition that PazKat had better become aware of!Kids sneaking out and getting into mischief are not school traditions. They are kid traditions. (The exact form, of course, can be school traditions - but sneaking out for an unsupervised* gathering where they really don't do anything the adults would object to, not so much.) * (And the gathering in Faraway Morning wasn't really all that unsupervised. Although most of the kids probably thought it was.) They did bring Bud on their own accord but yeah, I'm guessing they weren't aware of the other " people." Would be nice to catch up with the past generation again. I know it's essentially just backstory, but it seems like there's still a fair amount of unexplained stuff.
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Post by GK Sierra on Nov 30, 2013 17:44:30 GMT
Pssst, you skipped RIGHT past the guys who decently pointed out your trollish behavior without addressing them. You're avoiding them, knowing you'll eventually be found out. We oughta petition to ban you right off. XD 1: Do not be a jerk.The simplest and most important rule.Use your common sense. If you are a jerk, I will ban you without discussion. Sounds simple enough..who has a twitter? (also not sure if the avatar might be against rule 3 but whatevs, I'm not gonna backseat mod)Unfortunately there is only one mod, and his name is Tom. I'm sure if we all barraged him with emails/tweets he would come and rectify this when he got time. In the meantime, there is no reason to continue dropping food into the troll cage.
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chaosvii
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Post by chaosvii on Nov 30, 2013 18:20:26 GMT
For all we know it could literally be true in this fictional universe wherein deities might be made out of dead people's beliefs that become etheric power or whatever Coyote was getting at. I really think this is a significant, meaningful reading of this page. Thank you, I try. I love it when storytellers provide good reasons for us to think about the significance of stories and the very act of storytelling. They know that what they are doing means something, and they are bold enough to be meta about it.
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Post by hypetrain on Nov 30, 2013 18:21:46 GMT
I challenge you to show how my argument is incorrect. You're just nitpicking over a choice of words, h ardly an argument Yeah sure because in a written work of fiction how is word choice ever important, right?
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Post by Elysium on Nov 30, 2013 18:57:50 GMT
Yeah sure because in a written work of fiction how is word choice ever important, right? Ever heard of "emphasis" or "hyperbole" ?
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Post by Mezzaphor on Nov 30, 2013 19:32:24 GMT
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