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Post by smjjames on Oct 31, 2012 19:01:36 GMT
Ok, more observations of "what" Jones is.... See panel 3 - ice crystals in her eyes - Ice on her skin. Not only is she not affected by the cold, she doesn't affect the cold (it doesn't melt). Does she generate her own heat? It may seem a strange question, but is she warm-blooded? She looks human - mammalian - but has some features not akin to mankind: Extreme strength, density, mass. Ok, "The stone" - but what else does that mean besides extreme age? Maybe it's just very very cold?
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Post by cjameshuff on Oct 31, 2012 19:05:05 GMT
Well coyote's comment that we were all obsessing over, that she was created from the mind of humans. Maybe that only holds true for Coyote, and Jones is something else that just illustrates the theory in a different way? Or perhaps, according to the same wiki page Tom linked to, humans evolved into their current form during this epoch, so perhaps this is the very furthest back we will go, the final evolution of humans, and the creation of Jones? I've got two similar theories at this point. Coyote thinks the gods were created from the minds of man, from people imagining personifications of nature...what might be created from the minds of gods thinking about mankind? Was Jones the creation of Coyote's wandering mind's eye, a result of his fascination with humans, an idealization of our strengths as he saw them? Similarly, what might be created from the minds of those human groups being displaced and overtaken by modern man? Strange humans, generally smaller and less robust but somehow more able to thrive in harsh conditions, wielding more complex tools and more easily taking the biggest and strongest game around, taking over territory that once belonged to Neanderthal groups...and doing things like crossing glacial fields that they consider impassable. Add misunderstandings and exaggerations to the real advantages, and you could easily end up with stories of something quite superhuman... As for Jones' appearance, recall the variability in human appearance across the world. There's no reason to think ancient man was uniformly dark-skinned, in fact there's evidence that Neanderthal man was fair skinned (and red haired). She may predate the modern groups with similar appearance, but that doesn't necessarily mean her appearance was unique...yet. This line of reasoning won't hold if she goes back much further.
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Post by palevalkyrie on Oct 31, 2012 20:22:05 GMT
After today's page the first thing that popped into my head was a line from Apocalypse in the 90's X-Men cartoon: "I am as far beyond mutants as they are beyond you! I am eternal!". You know, when this chapter started going as far back in time as it has, *I* actually thought about Apocalypse and his awesome lines from that show too. Particularly this one: "I have seen more of this world than you can possibly imagine. And that is why I must destroy it." Luckily Jones seems content to see more of it, hang out teaching kids how to be mediums, and cuddle with guys at least a ten thousandth of her age. Someone should have given Apocalypse the memo.
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Post by crater on Oct 31, 2012 20:41:54 GMT
dear god please give me the Jones fighting a T-rex pic
also... it's almost like Gunnerkrigg is her endgame
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Post by hockeyshrink on Oct 31, 2012 22:33:33 GMT
I just love the way this page looks... The art has grown more and more beautiful as the chapters progress. All day long I've been going back to it squealing "So pretty!"
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Post by FlyingMug on Oct 31, 2012 22:40:58 GMT
Nude Jones? That's pretty hot.
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Post by foresterr on Oct 31, 2012 22:47:15 GMT
Well coyote's comment that we were all obsessing over, that she was created from the mind of humans. Maybe that only holds true for Coyote, and Jones is something else that just illustrates the theory in a different way? It got me thinking... maybe ether and all things mythical (gods, wondrous beings, and so on) do spring from the human mind, but time does not work normally for them? They do not exist in normal time, but in their own time, a dream time if you will. Looking from inside the normal time, they are pretty much timeless. You simply cannot take a point in normal time and say "this is a starting point for such-and-such". Even Coyote himself is said to have existed before humans, and was a witness to their creation, right? And there must be some truth to that story. Maybe Jones' case is not special at all, just very... noticeable because of her physical, not etheric presence. Yeah, yeah, I know, causality. Well, let me tell you where you <CRASH> <BANG> um, I mean, good night everyone.
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Post by ryos on Oct 31, 2012 23:23:25 GMT
I suspect this page is showing us the end of her journey across the Bering Strait. How and when she returned to the old world remains unknown.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Nov 1, 2012 0:27:56 GMT
Similarly, what might be created from the minds of those human groups being displaced and overtaken by modern man? Strange humans, generally smaller and less robust but somehow more able to thrive in harsh conditions, wielding more complex tools and more easily taking the biggest and strongest game around, taking over territory that once belonged to Neanderthal groups...and doing things like crossing glacial fields that they consider impassable. Add misunderstandings and exaggerations to the real advantages, and you could easily end up with stories of something quite superhuman... I like this theory. So it will probably be proven wrong on Friday.
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 1, 2012 2:47:29 GMT
A-a-and the best-in-one post is...
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Post by sapientcoffee on Nov 1, 2012 3:58:22 GMT
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Post by csj on Nov 1, 2012 4:11:03 GMT
The amazing hairless homo sapiens (?)
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Post by mashivan on Nov 1, 2012 4:17:14 GMT
IIRC, she was like the Coyote, so I'm assuming she's not really a person, more of the embodiment of an idea. What idea this would be, I have no idea. But to take a guess, I would think she's some kind of force; some kind of ever-present thing. Or, as with my original idea, she's a human idea. According to that, she should stop existing pretty soon, as humans really only came around 2 m.y.a.
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Post by biggerj on Nov 2, 2012 0:43:17 GMT
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 2, 2012 2:38:31 GMT
IIRC, she was like the Coyote, so I'm assuming she's not really a person, more of the embodiment of an idea. What idea this would be, I have no idea. But to take a guess, I would think she's some kind of force; some kind of ever-present thing. Or, as with my original idea, she's a human idea. According to that, she should stop existing pretty soon, as humans really only came around 2 m.y.a. Welcome to the forum! We might have to go past humans entirely; I theorize that she is a living statue and if she was naturally carved we will probably see the beginning of the process. But I guess I am a romantic because I am still hoping that she was intentionally made. I would like to see Mr. Siddell draw that tale, possibly just because it might be a look at a smiling Jones. A-a-and the best-in-one post is... Honorable mention: I wish this comic had an official forum where we could *discuss* these pages, rather than a message board where the same comment gets repeated over and over since they don't show up for several hours after making them. Not a complaint, just saying. The Unspeakable Borb, 01.11.2012, 3:05am We're here, Borb! Find the button!
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Post by Triple Sharp on Nov 2, 2012 4:24:40 GMT
She may look apathetic in all circumstances, but the upside is that she also looks beautiful in all circumstances. ;D
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Post by sofiaoh on Nov 2, 2012 4:46:09 GMT
My best guess is she is, or is something like, Xi Wangmu, Queen Mother of the West in Chinese (especially Taoist) legend/folklore/religion.
She's immortal, she gives advice. She's good with kids. She helps communicate the spiritual world with the physical one. She's good with metal...
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Post by warrl on Nov 3, 2012 1:07:55 GMT
At this point it looks like Tom's going to the beginning of the universe and further if he can. Oh boy! The Big Bang was the last time Jones really lost her temper.
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Post by Freederick on Nov 3, 2012 22:16:03 GMT
What's that? The V-looking thing. I may be over-thinking that it might be something significant, but I cannot unsee it! It's bugging me, hehe. Maybe it's nothing and just the contour of her ab. Note that this mark is exactly where the guy dressed like a Templar knight * tried to stick the spear into her, on page 1107---note the tear in the last panel. So maybe the following quote has a grain of truth in it? I think the answer is obvious; Jones is one of those characters, like Merlin in T.H. White's The Once and Future King, who was born in the remote future and is living life backwards through time.
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Post by seaofalchemy on Nov 3, 2012 23:00:31 GMT
What's that? The V-looking thing. I may be over-thinking that it might be something significant, but I cannot unsee it! It's bugging me, hehe. Maybe it's nothing and just the contour of her ab. Note that this mark is exactly where the guy dressed like a Templar knight * tried to stick the spear into her, on page 1107---note the tear in the last panel. So maybe the following quote has a grain of truth in it? I think the answer is obvious; Jones is one of those characters, like Merlin in T.H. White's The Once and Future King, who was born in the remote future and is living life backwards through time. Good hypotheses, Freederick and suvoroff. I rather like these ideas, and I can see how they are arguably possible, considering the V-shaped marks on the exact same spot where the knight stabbed her. However, I've personally given up on guessing Jones's origin and her true entity since it has been mentioned that she is Tom's own creation. Edit: Actually, if Jones really is living life backwards through time, she wouldn't be having these flashbacks (assuming they are flashbacks) since she hasn't experienced them yet. Right? If she really is living life backwards through time, any memories she has would be of the future and not of any memories from "several centuries ago" or "many millennia ago," etc. So perhaps the living-backwards-in-time theory is flawed? Good input and suggestions, though.
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Post by alexh on Nov 4, 2012 21:11:08 GMT
Her body could live backwards in time, but not her mind. I doubt that the mark on her body is anything more than abdomen-crease, though.
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Post by Pig_catapult on Nov 4, 2012 21:34:43 GMT
I still think that she was created by the minds of humans, but retroactively predates them. She has always been because she was dictated to have always been.
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