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Post by zombie on Oct 8, 2012 11:10:05 GMT
I was just scratching my head, wondering if it was worth asking about that on formspring... That top looks late Dior and with the white pillbox and matching gloves I'd guess it to be very late 1950's or early 1960's if this were America... the UK lagged a bit so maybe mid-to-late 1960's but Eggers should be in his late 30's... which I think means maybe Jones' outfit is somewhat out of date in this. [edit] Or maybe I should say it's very conservative in style. [/edit] However: Either way, that's before my time and not really my area of expertise, but this is the internet, so knowing what you're talking about isn't required. I don't know. What I know he certainly is over 30. I think he must have been around 20 when he lost Surma to Carver. At least. Coyote's comments ( "Eglamore, you hound") make it seem that at the time that Surma tricked Renard to the court she was still more or less with James. It seems that she definitely an adult and maybe around 20's back then and some time passed from that to time when he hook up with Carver. Now, it might have still taken a few years before she got pregnant. And 9 months from that to Annie's birth. And Annie is, how old, 14? Do we know it? This suggest that James is not "late thirties maximum", but "late thirties minimum". The maximum age could be deduced from things around Antimony's childhood. it seems clear that neither Surma nor Tony had got very old by the time Antimony was born. It seems that Tony was a surgeon already then, or at minimum quite early after the birth, so I'd say 25 at least. But both seem quite young, definitely not much over 30 when Annie was some 5 years old, playing in the hospital. Thus, it is very likely that they were not over 30-year-old when they got Annie. So her parents were probably between 25-30 when she was born. So, if Jimmy is the same age with them, then the maximum would be around 45. How old is he on this page? 6? About that probably. As 45 year-old he would have born 1967, and it would be early 70's. AI don't know much of fashion, but to my mind Jones seems ridiculously 50's to 60's in her dress. Which means that she is either unfashionable (why would I not be shocked?) or Jimmy and others are more like 50-something. I guess the former is the case and Jimmy is in his early or mid 40's. I don't know, that definably isn't mid 60's (or later) unless it's meant to be reminiscent of an air hostess' uniform. IMHO it's early 60's at the latest. Britain was actually ahead of the US in the 60's when it came to fashion, being just across the Channel from Paris , and started setting it again with designers like Mary Quant. So all we can say at the moment is that Eglamore is a LOT older than he looks.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Oct 8, 2012 11:13:36 GMT
Interesting that Eggs seems quite excited to leave. So why are his parents upset? Do they know something he doesn't?
Doubt it's anything sinister. My guess is the Court is not just a school. It's always been more like a city in the time Tom's deigned to share it with us, and my guess is people are expected to immigrate. The staff (that we know of) has raised their family there as well. You don't go to the court for an education. You go there to live.. and it just has it's own school like any other city?
I think the only real mystery here is why Eggs has been scouted.
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Post by snuffa on Oct 8, 2012 11:16:22 GMT
I think everyone calculating 40 years back from today and getting 1972 is fundamentally wrong in assuming the comic takes place in 2012. It started many a year ago and I do believe takes place in early 2000's (correct me if I'm wrong). In this case assuming Surma was 24+-2 when she got pregnant Eglamore is indeed about 40 and the current page takes place around 1965.
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Post by gary on Oct 8, 2012 11:23:56 GMT
Interesting that Eggs seems quite excited to leave. So why are his parents upset? Do they know something he doesn't? It's a boarding school. That means you go from living with your parents every day to living at the school and only seeing themn on holidays and visits. Think of it as your kid going off to uni, they're excited, you're upset. Becauses you'll miss them.
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Post by unctuous on Oct 8, 2012 11:39:11 GMT
Interesting that Eggs seems quite excited to leave. So why are his parents upset? Do they know something he doesn't? It's not so unusual. It's one of those "oh man, I'll miss the kid, but if I show these feelings they'll blame themselves for my sorrow so I'll wait to cry until they've walked away so as not to harsh their good time" scenes. My mother is reportedly great at those too, but because she's so great at them I've never actually witnessed one firsthand.
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Post by Georgie L on Oct 8, 2012 11:45:48 GMT
We seem to be several decades ago rather then just a couple. I would estimate Jims is no more than 30 or 40, so this would have to be circa 60s or 70s, probably late 60's considering Jones' Kennedy-style pillbox hat and gloves. I was just scratching my head, wondering if it was worth asking about that on formspring... That top looks late Dior and with the white pillbox and matching gloves I'd guess it to be very late 1950's or early 1960's if this were America... the UK lagged a bit so maybe mid-to-late 1960's but Eggers should be in his late 30's... which I think means maybe Jones' outfit is somewhat out of date in this. [edit] Or maybe I should say it's very conservative in style. [/edit] However: Either way, that's before my time and not really my area of expertise, but this is the internet, so knowing what you're talking about isn't required. I think your theory is correct, she's not exactly in date with here current style, which is also rather conservative, so maybe old fashion habits die hard.
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Post by zimmyzims on Oct 8, 2012 12:08:41 GMT
I think everyone calculating 40 years back from today and getting 1972 is fundamentally wrong in assuming the comic takes place in 2012. It started many a year ago and I do believe takes place in early 2000's (correct me if I'm wrong). In this case assuming Surma was 24+-2 when she got pregnant Eglamore is indeed about 40 and the current page takes place around 1965. Tom affirmed in the Word of Tom (question 3) that the year in Gunnerkrigg is "a current year". Okay, it can be that he is a playing tricks with us, but I would say that if it isn't "the current year right now" it at minimum should be not far from this current year, right? Did a little fashion research: James wearing denim shorts (right? they are short jeans, aren't they?) suggests 70's or at minimum somewhere around mid 60's. Of course, if they are not, then it suggests not. ;D
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Post by snuffa on Oct 8, 2012 12:12:36 GMT
I think everyone calculating 40 years back from today and getting 1972 is fundamentally wrong in assuming the comic takes place in 2012. It started many a year ago and I do believe takes place in early 2000's (correct me if I'm wrong). In this case assuming Surma was 24+-2 when she got pregnant Eglamore is indeed about 40 and the current page takes place around 1965. Tom affirmed in the Word of Tom (question 3) that the year in Gunnerkrigg is "a current year". Okay, it can be that he is a playing tricks with us, but I would say that if it isn't "the current year right now" it at minimum should be not far from this current year, right? right, except 5 years ago in our time was only 1 year in Gunnerkrigg court time, so this sounds more like a practical joke...
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Post by zimmyzims on Oct 8, 2012 12:16:50 GMT
Tom affirmed in the Word of Tom (question 3) that the year in Gunnerkrigg is "a current year". Okay, it can be that he is a playing tricks with us, but I would say that if it isn't "the current year right now" it at minimum should be not far from this current year, right? right, except 5 years ago in our time was only 1 year in Gunnerkrigg court time, so this sounds more like a practical joke... Is this true? I think Annie has grown a few years at least. Two? Or three? It has been a summer at least 2 times (but maybe 3?) already and the people around Annie are more teen and less kid.
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Post by gary on Oct 8, 2012 12:27:00 GMT
Is this true? I think Annie has grown a few years at least. Two? Or three? It has been a summer at least 2 times (but maybe 3?) already and the people around Annie are more teen and less kid. The comic started in 2005 when Annie was half way through year 7 (or 11-12) and now it's 2012 and Annie is half way through year 9 (or 13-14). So seven years real time and two years in comic times.
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Post by drzhivago138 on Oct 8, 2012 12:49:58 GMT
The comic started in 2005 when Annie was half way through year 7 (or 11-12) and now it's 2012 and Annie is half way through year 9 (or 13-14). So let's assume it's, I don't know, 2007 and Eglamore is, at the oldest, 45 (I had a gym teacher in high school who is now 42, I think, and looks no older than Eglamore). That would mean that this comic, in which little Jimmy seems no older than 5 or 6, took place in 1967-68. Problem solved. Of course, what do I know? Maybe Jones just likes slightly out-of-style clothing or something.
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Post by Lightice on Oct 8, 2012 13:00:20 GMT
I don't know, that definably isn't mid 60's (or later) unless it's meant to be reminiscent of an air hostess' uniform. IMHO it's early 60's at the latest. Britain was actually ahead of the US in the 60's when it came to fashion, being just across the Channel from Paris , and started setting it again with designers like Mary Quant. Take into account the fact that Jones doesn't necessarily dress exactly for the right decade. She's wearing a very conservative getup in the present time. Her dress sense may lag a good decade behidn everybody else. I don't think that Eglamore can be much older than early fourties. He doesn't have the wrinkles for it.
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Post by quoodle on Oct 8, 2012 13:25:57 GMT
"do not worry, they will visit...."
That sounds a bit formal and stilted. Only a robot would talk like that (just kidding).
"...miss jones?"
Notice he calls her miss jones at this point instead of just "jones". It's early and he doesn't know much about her (?) yet. So Annie's use of "miss' is not off the mark.
(Here in the US it's common (but getting less so) to address female teachers in elementary school as "miss" - leftover from a previous time.)
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Post by legion on Oct 8, 2012 13:27:13 GMT
Uh he's leaving like that with just the clothes he has on? No luggage? He doesn't seem to mind though.
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Post by superstarletce on Oct 8, 2012 13:43:15 GMT
*slow whistle* Hot damn, Jonesy.
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Post by zimmyzims on Oct 8, 2012 14:16:36 GMT
Uh he's leaving like that with just the clothes he has on? No luggage? He doesn't seem to mind though. Yeah, a kind of bizarre scene.
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Post by zimmyzims on Oct 8, 2012 14:19:25 GMT
Is this true? I think Annie has grown a few years at least. Two? Or three? It has been a summer at least 2 times (but maybe 3?) already and the people around Annie are more teen and less kid. The comic started in 2005 when Annie was half way through year 7 (or 11-12) and now it's 2012 and Annie is half way through year 9 (or 13-14). So seven years real time and two years in comic times. Okay. But still, I don't see how it was likely that it was before 2007 in the comic now? Anyway, I think that the most plausible explanation is that Miss Jones doesn't quite follow the fastest changes of fashion, or not even the quite moderately fast ones.
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Post by aaroncampbell on Oct 8, 2012 14:26:33 GMT
I wonder why Jones gave up wearing lipstick? It's a good look for her!
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Post by phyzome on Oct 8, 2012 14:52:41 GMT
Tom affirmed in the Word of Tom (question 3) that the year in Gunnerkrigg is "a current year". This is all narrated by Annie as a memory; since we don't know how old the narrator is, recent events in the comic may be quite some time ago.
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Post by phyzome on Oct 8, 2012 14:53:23 GMT
Uh he's leaving like that with just the clothes he has on? No luggage? He doesn't seem to mind though. Perhaps he has already had his luggage shipped ahead.
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Post by q3 on Oct 8, 2012 14:54:27 GMT
So how long do I have to wait before I can start shipping Jones with Annie?
And why did I just shudder, as though a thousand tiny voices just cried out at once, "We already ship them! Unironically!"
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Post by csj on Oct 8, 2012 14:57:38 GMT
The aesthetic makes me first think of the post-war period (ie; 40's-50s), but it has been pointed out how this would impact on the age of a teacher repeatedly described by schoolgirls at Gunnerkrigg to be 'smokin' hot'. I think it is more likely that Gunnerkrigg Court simply moves a few decades behind the rest of the world in fashion sense, given its isolation and the fact that she's wearing a formal uniform. Uniforms have always changed slower than fashion, particularly in the public sector. I'm more interested as to why he is leaving for Gunnerkrigg. Did he have a choice? His parents? The UK had schemes during this period for the forced migration of poor and/or orphaned children from the UK, so a handful of kids ending up at a mysterious institution wouldn't be out-of-place.
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Post by csj on Oct 8, 2012 15:13:28 GMT
Also of note: she's wearing a kind of hat that was uncommon at the time in nursing, but more prevalent in upper-class fashion in the postwar era. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillbox_hat(re)Popularised in the early 1960s, it gives us a rather definitive limit to the age of estimates. My grandmother wore hers until the end.
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Post by GK Sierra on Oct 8, 2012 15:35:02 GMT
*slow whistle* Hot damn, Jonesy. JFK would make a move on that in a hot minute. Then of course Secret Service would have to come peel him off the wall with a spatula.
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Post by gary on Oct 8, 2012 15:39:27 GMT
The comic started in 2005 when Annie was half way through year 7 (or 11-12) and now it's 2012 and Annie is half way through year 9 (or 13-14). So seven years real time and two years in comic times. Okay. But still, I don't see how it was likely that it was before 2007 in the comic now? Started in 2005, in the present day, two in comic years have passed hence 2007.
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Post by elppa284 on Oct 8, 2012 16:27:11 GMT
Are we going to flash back to previous "Eglamore"s in Jones life now?
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Post by Per on Oct 8, 2012 16:42:56 GMT
Also, this is the first we've seen of the world outside Gunnerkrigg Court except for Gillittie Wood and Good Hope Hospital. And some bug-haunted alleyways.
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Post by Tobu Ishi on Oct 8, 2012 16:43:34 GMT
I think it's worth pointing out that plenty of people lag behind the "newest fashions" by at least five years, and often by a lot more, depending on what was "hot" when they were in their teens/twenties. I see older women with wild eighties perms and early-nineties puffed bangs and ponytails at the mall or the movie theater every time I go, and I live in a fairly fashionable part of a major US city. The fashions of your youth stick with you - and, as an immortal, I imagine it would get tiresome to constantly stay "up" with the latest look. Fashion is so fleeting, but a classy look is eternal. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Jonesy buys the best there is, when she bothers to update her wardrobe, and then keeps wearing it for as long as the look still appeals to her. (That said, if you look at late-sixties fashions, the younger folks may have been going neon and "mod", but slim and simple Jackie Kennedy dresses were still perfectly acceptable among the older women. www.fiftiesweb.com/fashion/sixties-fashion-w1.htm Jones isn't that wildly out of step, even if this is circa 1970.)
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Post by nero on Oct 8, 2012 16:51:00 GMT
I wonder if Jones went out regularly to retrieve kids for the Court or if Eglamore is a special case?
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Post by GK Sierra on Oct 8, 2012 17:37:09 GMT
I wonder if Jones went out regularly to retrieve kids for the Court or if Eglamore is a special case? Special case, she picks out the hunks years in advance.
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