Necropaxx
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The natural choice for a shoulder to cry on.
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Post by Necropaxx on Aug 1, 2012 21:10:40 GMT
Aw yiss! Metaphysical, actual vs potential, power of dreams stuff is the best kind of stuff to read! I can't wait to see where Tom goes with this.
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Sivo
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Post by Sivo on Aug 1, 2012 21:52:27 GMT
Coyote officially marked as villain.
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Post by Per on Aug 1, 2012 22:05:15 GMT
My diseased eye sees Coyote's vertebrae evolving into Pacman. He may be on to something.
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Rea
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Post by Rea on Aug 1, 2012 23:10:24 GMT
I've been reading the archives recently, and got reminded of this page. What if that's what he's saying: In truth, he's just trees, rocks and light, but humans see him as a being in some way. Also: If Coyote doesn't exist (in whatever way he doesn't), do the shadow people not exist too or is it a lie that he made them? Is Shadow just a shadow that Annie thought looked like a separate person?
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myzelf
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Post by myzelf on Aug 2, 2012 0:04:53 GMT
Ooh, philosophy. I like where this is going.
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Post by Lightice on Aug 2, 2012 0:24:05 GMT
Also: If Coyote doesn't exist (in whatever way he doesn't), do the shadow people not exist too or is it a lie that he made them? Is Shadow just a shadow that Annie thought looked like a separate person? That would be stretching the metaphor a bit too far, I think. What I am gathering here is that Coyote is just as real as things like justice, love, truth, and that sort of thing. Or as true as geography, particle physics, computer science, and so forth. All those things are products of the human mind, but they still really exist in our minds, and have very real effects on the world.
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galileo
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there are plenty of spiders!
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Post by galileo on Aug 2, 2012 1:12:05 GMT
It kind of reminds me of poetry and empathy...heart break and hate. These are all real, but only humans (and animals sometimes) can feel them/create them. That might be seen as a pollution of the true natural word of sticks and stone and air...to someone like Coyote. Or something?
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Post by arabesque on Aug 2, 2012 1:22:00 GMT
If Coyote says death is man being bested by god and the court is man's endeavour to become god, is the court's purpose to somehow gain immortality?
I'm really interested in seeing where this is going.
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Post by darlos9d on Aug 2, 2012 20:59:04 GMT
If Coyote says death is man being bested by god and the court is man's endeavour to become god, is the court's purpose to somehow gain immortality? I'm really interested in seeing where this is going. Coyote says that man THINKS that death is man being bested by god.
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Post by GK Sierra on Aug 2, 2012 22:29:54 GMT
If Coyote says death is man being bested by god and the court is man's endeavour to become god, is the court's purpose to somehow gain immortality? I'm really interested in seeing where this is going. Coyote says that man THINKS that death is man being bested by god. Immortality? Technology? My trans-humanist senses are tingling. I wonder if Coyote is going to explain why he is immortal? Probably not, though. It would be nice to get a straight answer from a god, for once. Coyote's "mysterious ways" put certain other bronze age deities to shame by comparison.
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Post by FlyingMug on Aug 2, 2012 22:30:07 GMT
For extra fun: we should then be able to construct a meta-Coyote from our collective perceptions of Coyote. Out to any depth of recursion. What Coyote claims is the reality he was dreamed out of could itself be a product of the same process, on another Coyote. Or vice-versa.
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Post by GK Sierra on Aug 2, 2012 22:42:50 GMT
For extra fun: we should then be able to construct a meta-Coyote from our collective perceptions of Coyote. Out to any depth of recursion. What Coyote claims is the reality he was dreamed out of could itself be a product of the same process, on another Coyote. Or vice-versa. But then how would we... how... Oh god...
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Post by warrl on Aug 4, 2012 1:47:35 GMT
Just because Coyote is calling the human intelligence a "disease", it doesn't mean that he's condemning it in any way. Perhaps he means the word literally: something that causes us to be not at ease. Certainly in most countries the more one applies one's intellect to contemplating what the politicians are up to, the less at ease one will be.
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Post by bshanks on Sept 1, 2012 10:42:50 GMT
If intellect is a mental disease then Coyote knows he is insane.
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