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Post by TBeholder on May 21, 2012 13:03:51 GMT
The green forest dudes also have no eyes, or keep them shut like that anyway. The only person with open eyes besides Kat was Jones. AKA The Wandering Eye. Kats eyes are open because she wasn't actually there. Good point! So... Maybe, this means that the green lad is more real than the rest of images? I.e. Annie contacted him in a shared magical dream and that's how she represents this for herself. Annie is neither eyeless nor are arms emerging from her arm. Not quite, but it does look like she breaks out of the previous image. If the mask represents her make-up, then it was given to her by Surma. If the mask represents the calm facade that she always keeps up (unless she's with Kat), then it was given to her by Anthony. (I was in favour of the make-up theory at first, but the repressed-emotions theory seems more likely after the last two pages...) Either way, the mask would probably be something precious to her. Quite possible, but now she's obviously past aimless dreaming, so random symbolism poping up is unlikely. And the way Zimmy taunted her at first was rather cruel. I'm glad she gave it back right away, I like Zimmy even more because of that. Zimmy just tried to get any purpose-driven reaction out of Annie, methinks. Once she had it, she ask the question she wanted to ask from the start. And didn't expect magical show that seems to start now. Wa-a-ait... but if Annie was conscious enough to fight for the mask, this looks like she simply avoids to open her eyes without the mask on? The way you'd keep eyes closed and hold breath when you have a reason to put a gas mask on? This would speak in favour of "mask is her magical makeup" hypothesis.
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Post by blahzor on May 21, 2012 13:38:25 GMT
I think it's more that her sub-conscious realize that there is someone watching and it reacts to mask it, literal and figuratively. I'd more likely guess that Jones gave Annie the mask to keep Coyote from seeing into her mind while she lived in the forest and coercing her into something (like go out with Kamlen). The next panel should be blankness as Zimmy should no longer see her memories
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Post by cass on May 21, 2012 13:57:23 GMT
Hmm. Zimmy's right hand looks like it's gesturing towards the storm with her thumb. "You got no fight in you, Carver."
Storm clouds remind me of that etheric energy station.
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Post by GK Sierra on May 21, 2012 14:25:03 GMT
Yeeeaaah... how come I thought Monday's update would clear things up? Wednesday it is. Better make it Friday to be safe . Guys, wait, that symbolism from the last couple pages... And now she's bedridden. Oh god, you don't think shes pregnant do you? I mean like magically of course... maybe... If this was the case she'd have some maaaaaaaajor 'splainin to do.
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Post by mechagai on May 21, 2012 15:09:52 GMT
The pregnant theory doesn't hold up. Remember that Surma was still very lucid even AFTER giving birth to Annie. This is definitely something else.
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Post by legion on May 21, 2012 15:39:17 GMT
I just noticed Annie's sleeves vanished when they entered the visual perimeter of the storm behind Zimmy.
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Post by fuzzyone on May 21, 2012 15:53:32 GMT
I think it's more a sign of coming back to herself, a bit. As she turns on Zimmy, her shirt is no longer stained with cherry juice. As she lunges to regain the mask, her body shifts from girlish, as it was in the scene at the cherry tree, to how it appears some two years later. I think the sleeves shredding is indicative of her leaving the realm of that previous happy memory and coming back to the now.
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Post by Belrisa on May 21, 2012 16:46:01 GMT
I think her eyes are closed because she is asleep (in a coma). It is Tom's way of making it clear that Annie is not yet consciously aware of what is going on. I think that on Wednesday we'll have more weirdness, and then on Friday we'll have a major twist or cliffhanger, and if things are going to be cleared up at all, it will be next Monday.
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Post by mcbibble on May 21, 2012 17:54:10 GMT
Her eyes haven't been open once during this, have they. I wonder what we'll see when she opens them...
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Post by Raph on May 21, 2012 17:55:53 GMT
I'm with you up to the twist or cliffhanger, but I don't think things will get cleared up before Wednesday.
I must mention, our approach to this particular chapter seems so passive it is actually funny to be in the forum just reading "I'll wait for the next update", "I don't know what's happening"... Has this ever happened before (excluding chapter 36, of course)? I'm starting to think it is because the main character is not actively involved.
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Post by porcupineadvocate on May 21, 2012 19:01:07 GMT
Antimony looks a little large in panel 4, since the tree moves to the relative right behind her, the viewer is moving right, thus Zimmy should get relatively larger - instead Antimony is larger. I dunno, it's a minor thing I guess.
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Post by GK Sierra on May 21, 2012 19:13:35 GMT
I'm with you up to the twist or cliffhanger, but I don't think things will get cleared up before Wednesday. I must mention, our approach to this particular chapter seems so passive it is actually funny to be in the forum just reading "I'll wait for the next update", "I don't know what's happening"... Has this ever happened before (excluding chapter 36, of course)? I'm starting to think it is because the main character is not actively involved. It's like Lost, except I actually enjoy it.
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Post by joephlommin on May 21, 2012 19:19:40 GMT
Oh god... What have I done!
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Post by notacat on May 21, 2012 20:39:51 GMT
I wonder whether Zimmy is about to pull another Annie out of that huge hairdo...
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Post by goldenknots on May 21, 2012 21:09:43 GMT
I wonder whether Zimmy is about to pull another Annie out of that huge hairdo... I think she's going to dive into it and end up in a whole 'nother place. Should be interesting.
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Post by Max on May 21, 2012 21:45:29 GMT
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Post by GK Sierra on May 21, 2012 21:53:47 GMT
Oh god... What have I done! Well, you've made me choke on my lukewarm coffee, that's a start I wonder whether Zimmy is about to pull another Annie out of that huge hairdo... I think she's going to dive into it and end up in a whole 'nother place. Should be interesting. Maybe we're about to see further past the mask? Zimmy could have taken it away from her easily, but she's decided not to. Maybe it would have altered Antimony's personality if she had, dunno what the verdict is on how literal everything that's happened has been.
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Post by ischaldirh on May 22, 2012 1:33:13 GMT
To recount what we know of Annie's illness:
1032: "She collapsed. We don't know why." | Nothing appears wrong with her physically. This presumes non-etheric court doctors have already examined her - a safe assumption based on her being in a hospital bed with monitors and so forth.
1040: "She's just dreamin', rememberin'." | Zimmy hasn't found anything wrong with her surface mind. The dreams appear mostly normal - they aren't nightmares, there's no threats, etc; even if the dreams ARE bizarre by normal standards, what dream makes sense when compared to reality? Doubtless there's symbolism going on here, an insight into Annie's psyche, but I'll stick to observations, rather than speculations.
The long, flowing, vividly-red hair has always been a hallmark of Antimony's etheric powers. Zimmy also mentioned that she's "gonna look somewhere else." So, it would appear we're about to transit into another sequence of a more etheric nature. I expect things to get very flow-y and the panel borders to dissolve.
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Post by arf on May 22, 2012 3:59:11 GMT
I can see two interpretations on 'what's goin on':
1. Zimmy's suddenly finding herself out of her depth as 'no fight' Annie casually manipulates dream *past* Zimmy to retrieve the mask (Zimmy's starts looking a bit non-plussed in panel 4)
2. Zimmy's simply thinking out loud as she realises that Annie's attachment to the mask is giving her a clue as to where to look next (Z looks more focussed in the last panel)
3. Oooh! Look! Unicorns!
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Post by Eversist on May 22, 2012 7:31:32 GMT
I mean in the comic more generally, rather than just in the dream. Green dudes keep their eyes shut the whole time. Like annie is doing here. The Anwyn always have "their eyes closed." Kinda like Anja's eyes, Tom has always drawn them slitted that way.
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Post by keef on May 22, 2012 16:37:22 GMT
I would not be surprised if Zimmy now pulls Annie's blinkerstone out of thin (h)air, but i'm usualy wrong...
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Post by Dvandaemon on May 22, 2012 16:39:07 GMT
Not quite, but it does look like she breaks out of the previous image. It does? I noticed the panel border upon first review. Everyone keeps saying things I didn't notice that I keep checking back to see if Tom like, editted it or something.
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Post by jombra on May 22, 2012 17:49:39 GMT
Oh, I just noticed that her uniform changed with her age. She loses the hair clip and grows up a little too in that panel. And not to add the the magically pregnant theory, but it seems she may be a bit erm... more 'developed' than other girls her age. Just take a look at Zimmy and Kat in these same few pages.
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Post by Per on May 22, 2012 19:07:48 GMT
Her eyes haven't been open once during this, have they. I wonder what we'll see when she opens them... An empty skull crawling with boxbots.
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Post by Belrisa on May 22, 2012 20:27:47 GMT
To recount what we know of Annie's illness: 1032: "She collapsed. We don't know why." | Nothing appears wrong with her physically. This presumes non-etheric court doctors have already examined her - a safe assumption based on her being in a hospital bed with monitors and so forth. 1040: "She's just dreamin', rememberin'." | Zimmy hasn't found anything wrong with her surface mind. The dreams appear mostly normal - they aren't nightmares, there's no threats, etc; even if the dreams ARE bizarre by normal standards, what dream makes sense when compared to reality? Doubtless there's symbolism going on here, an insight into Annie's psyche, but I'll stick to observations, rather than speculations. The long, flowing, vividly-red hair has always been a hallmark of Antimony's etheric powers. Zimmy also mentioned that she's "gonna look somewhere else." So, it would appear we're about to transit into another sequence of a more etheric nature. I expect things to get very flow-y and the panel borders to dissolve. Nice summary of the facts, and I think you're spot-on about the next page.
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Post by TBeholder on May 23, 2012 1:42:33 GMT
I can see two interpretations on 'what's goin on': 1. Zimmy's suddenly finding herself out of her depth as 'no fight' Annie casually manipulates dream *past* Zimmy to retrieve the mask (Zimmy's starts looking a bit non-plussed in panel 4) 2. Zimmy's simply thinking out loud as she realises that Annie's attachment to the mask is giving her a clue as to where to look next (Z looks more focussed in the last panel) Also entirely possible: 3) Annie doesn't just dream but reacts now, so Zimmy stopped her little mental gymnastics and asked the question she came here to ask in the first place. In this case, either Annie puts mask on before leaving this "place", or she isn't as ready to talk as she looked and Zimmy is in for some rough ride through her mind. Not quite, but it does look like she breaks out of the previous image. It does? I noticed the panel border upon first review. Everyone keeps saying things I didn't notice that I keep checking back to see if Tom like, editted it or something. fuzzyone articulated it better than me: As she turns on Zimmy, her shirt is no longer stained with cherry juice. As she lunges to regain the mask, her body shifts from girlish, as it was in the scene at the cherry tree, to how it appears some two years later. I think the sleeves shredding is indicative of her leaving the realm of that previous happy memory and coming back to the now. Yes, like this.
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Post by Raph on May 23, 2012 2:02:54 GMT
Not exactly following the conversation, but I think is worth mentioning, is the fact that when Zimmy lost the hat she apparently dorpped her "cover" or careful approach an this caused Annie to turn defensively, distorting everything. The storm clouds and spiders are iconic for Zimmy, this could mean she was being too invasive when taking the mask, thus causing Annie to react.
Having the panels distorted like that, I have to support ischaldirh's theory, that we're about to be taken into a more etheric scenario, or a more emotional one. It is the same jagged panneling we got back in the Fire Spike.
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Post by ischaldirh on May 23, 2012 3:13:08 GMT
Ohhhh. Now I understand what you meant by "jagged paneling". I didn't notice it until just now...
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Post by GK Sierra on May 23, 2012 3:59:26 GMT
Her eyes haven't been open once during this, have they. I wonder what we'll see when she opens them... An empty skull crawling with boxbots. *shudder*
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Post by bingli on May 23, 2012 3:59:30 GMT
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