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Post by OrzBrain on May 11, 2012 15:31:52 GMT
As you may recall, we've seen Coyote assume the form of a green guy. This reveals that he made at least some attempt to woo Annie while in the forest, and that Annie felt mingled excitement from that and fear due to the binding.
I had always wondered if the green guy that got Jeanne killed might not also be Coyote, acting for some reason known only to him.
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Post by djublonskopf on May 11, 2012 15:38:50 GMT
Why is Eglamore green?
And why does he have 8 legs?
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Post by atteSmythe on May 11, 2012 16:17:55 GMT
I was thinking that maybe Annie was just flexing her newly-unbound-by-blinker-stone etheric muscles, and had lost all track of time while cavorting in the forest. But if this were a view of the ether in the current time, I'd expect the scar, and I'd expect Annie to notice Zimmy joined the party.
If it's present time, it's new knowledge that the binding is still present, just evaporates in the Court for some reason. I think it's supposed to be a clue that this is a flashback of some sort to the past summer, however. Annie's down in the beginning, and it reminds me of how she was just after she accepted Coyote's invitation - overwhelmed, scared, ashamed.
Which makes me think that New New Green Guy is Kamlen, and this is how she remembers him.
So, why's Annie stuck in a memory?
I do like that the forest also has its spiders, and they're still attracted to Zimmy.
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Post by Raph on May 11, 2012 16:23:33 GMT
I had always wondered if the green guy that got Jeanne killed might not also be Coyote, acting for some reason known only to him. Nah, he was there before coyote.
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Post by OrzBrain on May 11, 2012 16:55:48 GMT
Before Coyote? But she died in the Annan Waters, and Coyote created that to separate the Court from the Forest.
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Post by snuggly on May 11, 2012 17:17:20 GMT
Am I the only one who sees this dude as a guy who just wants to give Annie a break? He is trying to get her to forget about her binding most likely. She at least enjoys his sentiments a little, especially since it seems more sincere from a creature of the forest.
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Post by Aris Katsaris on May 11, 2012 17:20:59 GMT
I think this is bad reasoning. We've seen Coyote assume the form of a green guy, but we've also been explicitly told that there are lots and lots of green guys who aren't Coyote. And the form Coyote took then isn't the form we see now. See mention of Kamlen -- I think most of us believe him the most likely person to be the one depicted here.
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Post by FlyingMug on May 11, 2012 19:11:30 GMT
Why is Eglamore green? And why does he have 8 legs? He's green for camouflage. The eight legs part is throwing me too though.
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Post by flutters on May 11, 2012 19:13:07 GMT
That guy really ticks me off somehow.
Like one of those dudes that smile creepily at you from across the gas station counter even though it's obvious you're under eighteen.
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Post by Alexandragon on May 11, 2012 20:13:50 GMT
Also: Am I the only one, who noticed that Annie's shirt do not have a collar on the fourth panel?
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Post by atteSmythe on May 11, 2012 21:27:49 GMT
Also: Am I the only one, who noticed that Annie's shirt do not have a collar on the fourth panel? It was mentioned earlier. If you look one page back, Annie's in the forest, but still in her hospital bed and gown. On this page, she ends up in her school uniform. Panel four is the transition - the bed is still vanishing (notice the blanket pulling away), and her shirt is halfway between gown and uniform. Her right sleeve is still hospital-gown-blue as well.
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Post by TBeholder on May 11, 2012 21:32:58 GMT
I think it's a dream, or at least mostly dream. The tooth bracer is kind of a giveaway. The dancing partner, just like the bracer, is a cross-contamination of memories: her elfy friend back from the "vacation" (with wom she may well have danced while wearing the bind) and Jeanne's elfy lover back from memory dump.
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Post by Kriselia on May 11, 2012 21:55:22 GMT
Am I the only one who sees this dude as a guy who just wants to give Annie a break? Naw, if you look past the sort of smarmy expression, Annie seems rather happy with whatever's going on Besides, if I had to imagine Annie having a thing for some guy, a forest dude sort of makes a lot of sense. Plus, I wonder if it's significant how the binding keeps changing shape, they're clearly knife-like in the first pic, but then in the close-up they're a lot smoother. Maybe it's meaningless, since this does seem like a memory that Zimmy, looking in from the outside, sees in an abstract, detached manner.
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Post by darlos9d on May 11, 2012 22:26:00 GMT
So was there some hint in the past that Annie might have known some forest dude like this? I mean obviously she know a variety of forest people, but was there a hint one of them might have been even remotely romantic?
Seems like something she'd dwell on a bit more obviously.
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Post by nero on May 11, 2012 22:57:01 GMT
Annie looks lovely in that last panel, however I'll agree with the dislike sentiment. It's like some seeing some random guy hanging off your little sister a party. God I wanna punch his face. What??!! That last panel sure shocked me. I agree that for some reason the guy makes me feel uneasy, but I hope this Kamlen is a respectable guy. I'm pretty sure it can't be Coyote since there is no way he can hide his wide grin.
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Post by kralex on May 11, 2012 23:45:21 GMT
That's a very interesting theory, I do like it since it seems weird that fire elementals would just suicide by baby when they know what happens. Buuut then again it's also a little creepy, since the condition would pretty much result in "Have sex or you die" which is pretty friggin dark. I don't think descendants of fire elementals actually die when they have children, at least not in the usual meaning of death. The strongly ether-aligned creatures that met Annie, notably Rey and Coyote, mistook her for Surma when they first saw her, in spite of Annie being a child at the time, some two to three decades younger than Surma was. We know Coyote can see the "true" ethereal form of a creature as easily as their physical form. There is no way he'd confuse two different persons. I think the spirit of the fire elemental simply moved from Surma to Annie; it's kind of immortal that way. It's what Surma teaching Annie and the two being inseparable in hospital was really about. It also explains why no guide would claim Surma's soul, in the words of Rey, because "there was nothing left to take" - of course not, that soul now lives on in Annies body. With that as my current working hypothesis, I don't think that merely having sex would cause Annie's body to die - her soul needs a new home first.
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Post by Necropaxx on May 12, 2012 1:41:41 GMT
Did... did I miss something? *doublechecks* That's... that's uh... huh.
Yeah, I can't really think of anything to say. This is different.
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Post by cactusguy on May 12, 2012 1:54:36 GMT
I think it's very important to note that each of the 4 instances of the "knives" have completely different depictions of said "knives." The first is the most complex, the second doesn't even look dangerous, the third looks a bit like a lick of flame, and the last are looks only somewhat threatening compared to the first and third.
In my opinion this indicates movement, perhaps the "knives" are shifting and changing very quickly. I'd even go out on a limb and say this means they're actually not dangerous, as I don't think Annie would remain perfectly calm about having shifting, swirling, phantom knives spinning in close orbit of her wrist.
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Post by Serenissima on May 12, 2012 3:39:57 GMT
It's like some seeing some random guy hanging off your little sister a party. God I wanna punch his face. While I haven't got a sister, I suppose I know what that's like, now, due to the page. Also, welcome to the forum!
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Post by Amethyst on May 12, 2012 5:04:01 GMT
Still 14, people. Barely.
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Post by Marnath on May 12, 2012 6:02:53 GMT
Still 14, people. Barely. Yeah. That's why many of us instinctively want to bash green dude's face in. Even if he's not using some sort of mind control or whatever is going on in that last panel, it's still not okay. Late in commenting; but that's an interesting intimate scene. So Annie is likely to have had romantic and/or sexual (or atleast quasi-sexual) experiences during her time in the Forest. I don't think it's likely at all. If she did it's statutory rape. Besides, Ysengrim was her chaperone the whole time, wasn't he? I seriously doubt he'd have allowed anything like that.
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Post by anaheyla on May 12, 2012 6:08:50 GMT
Jeanne's lover was almost certainly around before Coyote arrived and created the Annan Waters. How else would they have met if not when the Court and the Forest were still together?
Though I doubt this new guy is him. He doesn't have the same features. His ears are longer, his hair is a different color and style, the wristbands are different and JL had pierced ears.
Plus there's the fact that he's, you know, dead. And unlike Jeanne he doesn't really have a solid reason to stick around. He doesn't know how or why he died, or who killed him, so he can't possibly hold a grudge.
Then there's the lack of motive...
Similarly, I doubt it's Coyote. He probably wouldn't go out of his way to hurt her for several reasons. 1: He likes Annie and 2: He likes Renard 3: He knows that Renard likes Annie and hurting her would hurt Renard.
He may do things simply because he wants to, but I don't think even Coyote simply "wants" to do any given thing for no reason.
If anyone we already know about were going to hurt Annie it'd be Ysengrin, but he's too cowed by Coyote to be much of an original thinker.
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Post by GK Sierra on May 12, 2012 6:33:28 GMT
Still 14, people. Barely. Yeah. That's why many of us instinctively want to bash green dude's face in. Even if he's not using some sort of mind control or whatever is going on in that last panel, it's still not okay. Late in commenting; but that's an interesting intimate scene. So Annie is likely to have had romantic and/or sexual (or atleast quasi-sexual) experiences during her time in the Forest. I don't think it's likely at all. If she did it's statutory rape. Besides, Ysengrim was her chaperone the whole time, wasn't he? I seriously doubt he'd have allowed anything like that. Hey, Sargent Wolf-Tree-Thing can't be around ALL the time . Just kidding I want to drown this guy in a vat of agent orange too.
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Post by Tierra Y Libertad on May 12, 2012 6:38:19 GMT
This is definitely Annie's party -- notice how her clothing shifts, but Zimmy's does not, since usually when Zimmy leads everyone hither and yon she gets out of her uniform into something like the blue top and the green trousers.
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Post by Lightice on May 12, 2012 8:18:19 GMT
Yeah. That's why many of us instinctively want to bash green dude's face in. Even if he's not using some sort of mind control or whatever is going on in that last panel, it's still not okay. Remember, Annie told Kat that the green guy was the same age as they are. So nothing statutory there, no matter what happened. Not that I believe in the pregnancy theory for a second.
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Post by Aris Katsaris on May 12, 2012 10:26:05 GMT
It's statutory rape when an adult has sex with someone below the age of consent, not when two teens have sex -- and certainly not when two teens have a romance.
Keep in mind that I said romantic "and/or" sexual experiences.
Same age as Juliet in "Romeo and Juliet".
Reynardine is the one who's been interested in chaperoning Annie, I have no reason to assume Ysengrin would care to defend Annie from anything consensual.
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Post by TheLaughingMan on May 12, 2012 22:15:58 GMT
Same age as Juliet in "Romeo and Juliet". And look how that turned out.
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Post by sotha on May 12, 2012 23:25:35 GMT
I don't think descendants of fire elementals actually die when they have children, at least not in the usual meaning of death. The strongly ether-aligned creatures that met Annie, notably Rey and Coyote, mistook her for Surma when they first saw her, in spite of Annie being a child at the time, some two to three decades younger than Surma was. We know Coyote can see the "true" ethereal form of a creature as easily as their physical form. There is no way he'd confuse two different persons. I think the spirit of the fire elemental simply moved from Surma to Annie; it's kind of immortal that way. It's what Surma teaching Annie and the two being inseparable in hospital was really about. It also explains why no guide would claim Surma's soul, in the words of Rey, because "there was nothing left to take" - of course not, that soul now lives on in Annie's body. With that as my current working hypothesis, I don't think that merely having sex would cause Annie's body to die - her soul needs a new home first. I'm quite partial to this notion as well. But it begs the question as to what would happen if Annie didn't have children, or if she were killed before. Without a new body to move inhabit, without a tether for the flame, would she just move on? (How far can this flame analogy be taken?) Based on what happened between her and her mother, it seems the process of transfer or what have you takes some time (how many years did she spend in the hospital again?). And how could Coyote's absoluteness in regard to her having child be taken in light of this (puh-hun intended)? Or are we trying to draw meaning that isn't there? He could have merely been explaining to her that she same would happen to her were she to have a child of her own. Or something.
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Post by Bob, Squirrel King on May 13, 2012 0:49:14 GMT
Considering she had just found out that her existence killed her mother, I figure romance was the last thing on her mind that summer.
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Post by Goatmon on May 13, 2012 10:31:55 GMT
Why is Eglamore green? And why does he have 8 legs? I see what you did, there.
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