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Post by Ashley Y on Mar 15, 2012 11:25:21 GMT
Are there any instances in Gunnerkrigg Court where two male characters have a discussion that isn't about a female character?
None occur to me but I haven't trawled through the whole thing for it.
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Post by fish on Mar 15, 2012 11:54:31 GMT
How do you define "discussion"? Does William and Aly arguing count? edit: GC just has so many female characters, that the male ones are rarely shown talking to each other... and a lot of the male characters are supernatural beings, do they count? |
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 15, 2012 11:59:52 GMT
Are there any instances in Gunnerkrigg Court where two male characters have a discussion that isn't about a female character? "Current" narration follows Annie and flashbacks mostly follow Surma, so i don't see how it would not tend to be like this. None occur to me but I haven't trawled through the whole thing for it. No idea why anybody can be interested, but just from memory - "Reynardine"/Sivo vs. Mr. Eglamore and in flashback Mr. Thorn and young James Eglamore, for example. |
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Post by legion on Mar 15, 2012 12:02:56 GMT
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Post by La Goon on Mar 15, 2012 12:13:14 GMT
I can't think of any that haven't already been mentioned.
I fail to see the point though. The 'traditional' Bechdel test isn't generally meant as a test of individual fictions, but rather as a demonstration of a general tendency. Male characters playing periphery roles or having their main focus on girls/women isn't a general tendency.
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Post by Ashley Y on Mar 16, 2012 6:40:05 GMT
William & Aly counts, though it's not much of a conversation. Mr. Thorn commends young Eglamore for "standing up for a friend" (Surma), so that doesn't count. "Sixty angry kids" includes girls, so it doesn't count either. OK, I'm being strict.
I don't object to this at all, by the way. I'm just curious. More broadly, I think it helps put the 'traditional' Bechdel test in context.
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Post by legion on Mar 16, 2012 7:10:21 GMT
Uh, the rule of the Beshdell about is "talk about something other than a X" not "do not talk about X".
So if two women have a conversation first about their man, then about something they like to do (like skiing, I don't know), in the same dialogue, that still counts as passing the test.
So Eglamore/Mr. Thorn definitively passes the test, they talk about the job of Dragonslayer (and a bunch of other stuff tantamount to the fight with Hyland).
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Post by Ashley Y on Mar 16, 2012 7:17:35 GMT
TVTropes says "the exact interpretation of this can vary; some feel that it's okay to mention a man or men so long as they're not the primary subject of the conversation, while others will demand a conversation where men aren't mentioned at all". tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheBechdelTest |
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Post by legion on Mar 16, 2012 7:33:33 GMT
Extremism  |
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Post by Ashley Y on Mar 16, 2012 7:43:24 GMT
Hey, I said I was being strict!
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Post by stormy on Mar 17, 2012 15:12:32 GMT
It's brief, but there is this. Also, both Shadow and Robot seem to have been pretty firmly defined as male, gender-wise if not biologically. (Since technically, I don't think either of them actually HAVE a biology). |
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Mar 17, 2012 15:23:10 GMT
Stormy, the tall character there ("Shell") is a girl.
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Post by djublonskopf on Mar 17, 2012 16:41:11 GMT
I fail to see the point though. The 'traditional' Bechdel test isn't generally meant as a test of individual fictions, but rather as a demonstration of a general tendency. Male characters playing periphery roles or having their main focus on girls/women isn't a general tendency. The traditional Bechdel test is almost exclusively a test of individual fictions. It was introduced as a measure of the watchworthiness of individual films, and is consistently applied to individual fictions thereafter as one metric by which to judge them. That said, Shadow and Robot are both consistently referred to as "he", and while many of their conversations have been about Kat, they are occasionally shown having brief, one or two sentence exchanges about only each other. |
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Post by anaheyla on Mar 17, 2012 22:02:46 GMT
When Coyote and Ysengrin first appeared they each had a very brief exchange with Reynardine if that counts...
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Post by gary on Mar 17, 2012 22:29:46 GMT
It's brief, but there is thisShell in that comic is female. You can tell by the uniform. |
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Post by Anthony on Mar 18, 2012 3:06:05 GMT
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Post by Ashley Y on Mar 18, 2012 7:44:16 GMT
The Shadow/Robot exchanges count, since both characters are coded male.
The Ysengrin/Headmaster/Eglamore exchange doesn't count if you're being really super-strict, because in the next page Ysengrin says "well originally we'd heard one of your own fell to their death that night". Although Ysengrin certainly doesn't know that that's Antimony and may believe that it was Anthony. Also, eventually the conversation includes (and concerns) Antimony. It's not clear where to draw the line.
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Post by Georgie L on Mar 18, 2012 15:06:27 GMT
The Shadow/Robot exchanges count, since both characters are coded male. The Ysengrin/Headmaster/Eglamore exchange doesn't count if you're being really super-strict, because in the next page Ysengrin says "well originally we'd heard one of your own fell to their death that night". Although Ysengrin certainly doesn't know that that's Antimony and may believe that it was Anthony. Also, eventually the conversation includes (and concerns) Antimony. It's not clear where to draw the line. He was pretty set on it being anthony, when he found Antimonys' jumper he assumed it was his. |
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Post by blackmantha on Mar 19, 2012 11:25:52 GMT
Ysengrin thought the one who fell form the bridge was dead, so he didn't think it was Anthony, who he thought said was alive to plant the bird.
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