notacat
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Post by notacat on Feb 27, 2012 15:25:11 GMT
How did he even know Jones was likely to be anywhere near Annie, let alone with her at that moment? IT'S A CONSPIRACY. I don't think he did. Recall that Jones picked up the call and was apparently asked whether Annie was with her. So presumably some operator was attempting to connect the call and Jones was on the list of possible contacts. Or maybe the Court knew where she was, from the monitoring devices in the food , and also that Jones was their nearest contact to that location. Jones then passed the phone to Annie, and a voice said "Transferring a call, Ms Carver". Then her father said her name...her full name, by the way. For some reason that feels significant to me in some strange way.
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Post by Cleo on Feb 27, 2012 16:28:27 GMT
I've had another thought (I know, three in a day), has Annie seen Eglamore since she flamed him on the bridge? It seems significant that we're not being shown his face, scarring perhaps? They must have had him for sports or something and I'm sure Annie would have found him to apologise at some point.
Gah, where's Wednesday when you need it!
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Post by stephen on Feb 27, 2012 18:20:09 GMT
Hmm, I'm entertaining thoughts of mental conditioning. The 'It didn't even make sense' bit made me think of a code-word, so maybe Annies been reprogrammed over the phone! Just a thought that came to me. Haha oh snap like a secret phrase to revert her to robot-mode whenever she gets too dangerously emotional? That would be exactly the sort of problem solving I'd expect from Anthony. "My daughter shoots fire when she gets mad? Relax, guys. I got this." On a similar note my brother mentioned a bit ago that it would be interesting/terrifying/hilarious if Jones and Anthony turned out to be the same type of thing, or at least very similar. Perhaps Jones is a master level emotionless automaton, while Anthony is still a young padawan who has not yet hardened his exoskeleton (since he cries in Fire Spike, and we have no evidence that he's impervious to swords). If Anthony is a whatever-Jones-is, then Anthony and Jones totally might be brother and sister, which makes Jones Annie's aunt! That's a fun theory. Yeah, some sort of operator at the Court was transferring a call to Annie, through Jones. It's likely the Court operator knew that Annie was with Jones because of the tracking devices in all their clothes.
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Post by jukyter on Feb 27, 2012 19:26:35 GMT
Poor Annie. This is a direct contrast to what we've seen before.
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Post by q3 on Feb 27, 2012 20:54:01 GMT
ANTHONY: Eta kooram nah smech! Alternatively: ANNIE: What do you mean you found a cure for mother? ANTHONY: It's alive! It's alive!
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Post by paxjax123 on Feb 27, 2012 21:48:02 GMT
Shoot. Is this undoing all of Annie's progress?
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Post by Rafael on Feb 27, 2012 22:24:32 GMT
And Annie is back to the Smiles Brigade.
Seriously though I just want to hug her, even if it would get me burned to death.
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Post by electrictow3r on Feb 27, 2012 23:43:53 GMT
...hey, hello people, this is the first time i post something on a forum, because I REALLY wanted to say something:
I think Tom once posted on his formspring that, if anthony and Donald would meet again, they would still regard each other as good friends; so I´m really wondering what IS Donald thinking
(I must apologize to Tom Siddell if I´m using incorrect English, for it is not my native language)
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Post by nero on Feb 27, 2012 23:52:29 GMT
Poor Annie. When her father is mentioned, she just shuts down emotionally.
I get the feeling that Anthony may be only trying to bring back Surma back to life. But he wouldn't try to hurt Annie to do it. Right?
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Post by sycasey on Feb 27, 2012 23:58:27 GMT
The crack in the wall is simply perfect, both symbolically and in how it fills the panel, while the text box appears very distant from Antimony herself. Sometimes Tom does some little thing to make me realize he's truly a master of his storytelling medium. That panel is one of them. The symbolic crack in the wall, off-center placing of Annie with her (rectangular) thought bubble, juxtaposition of the visual background with the character's thoughts . . . just brilliant. It speaks volumes in just a few simple strokes -- comics art at its finest. Will Eisner would be proud.
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Post by upthrust on Feb 28, 2012 1:59:28 GMT
Did the last panel in today's page remind anyone else of the last panel on this page? Appropriate, with how we're talking about the 'return' of Annie's old personality.
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Post by King Mir on Feb 28, 2012 2:31:20 GMT
Then her father said her name...her full name, by the way. For some reason that feels significant to me in some strange way. Kat was the first person to call her Annie. Her mother called her Antimony too in A Ghost Story. Back in A Week for Kat, she resisted the nickname, but in Faraway Morning, Jack calls her Annie without pause. So yeah, you could say it's significant.
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Post by Serenissima on Feb 28, 2012 2:50:40 GMT
I think it's too early to say what the effects on Annie will be. I'm not entirely dreading her going back to being far more closed off, however - it can reveal as many interesting things to the audience as being normally sociable can when we hear a character's internal thoughts rather than what they actually say.
I hope we get to hear some of the conversation, though... though if we do, my bet is that it's RIGHT at the end of the chapter.
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Post by TBeholder on Feb 28, 2012 2:57:48 GMT
Annie has reverted back to the quiet girl she was in the early chapters, determined to remain calm and not show emotion while everyone else freaks out.[...] Also, I don't think the placing of the crack behind her head is accidental either. A lot of the confidence she spent the last two years building up has broken. I'm inclined to think it's more of the former than the latter. Oh no, Annie's shutting down. I love the last panel. The crack and the messy hair seem to be more showing of how she's feeling than her expression is (or maybe I'm looking too far into things) Maybe it's the opposite... she concentrates too hard to express anything? In other news I'm loving how just through Eglamore and Donny's poses you can tell they both totally want to punch Anthony in his stupid face, while Anja is trying to defend him Mister Pouty in the back probably agrees with both of them to an extent. To me, Donald looks more between frustrated "oh, come on, now we're through this crap again..." and "we were through this more than once, and by the way is it the time to take cover already?" even Donald (who seems to have been the one closest to Tony as a kid judging from formspring answers) is all huffy. Though it was more of Donny & Jim anyway - from what we saw, Anthony was even less of a team-player than Annie. But still. I could see the overprotective Eglamore saying they shouldn't let someone who'd abandon his own daughter take her back. It's certainly not that his sweetheart and his friend broken all contact with him and ended up married. It's one thing with Surma in a flare of her fiery temper does this, but coldly reasonable Anthony who already bewildered him... while it hurts much less, it may inconvenience much more. Besides, picking on Anthony is a good vent for him - though probably everyone would be better off if he didn't try this before Donlans, let alone Annie.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Feb 28, 2012 7:53:05 GMT
How did he even know Jones was likely to be anywhere near Annie, let alone with her at that moment? IT'S A CONSPIRACY. I don't think he did. Recall that Jones picked up the call and was apparently asked whether Annie was with her. So presumably some operator was attempting to connect the call and Jones was on the list of possible contacts. Or maybe the Court knew where she was, from the monitoring devices in the food , and also that Jones was their nearest contact to that location. I believe... He's very aware of the score. Jones is the type to go, "If that's what you really want." and then point out the consequences of your choice after the fact. Think about how she handles Annie all the time. Jones knows she should, or shouldn't do certain things, but declines to do them at the whim of others. Just to let them do what they want. I believe she's described herself as a neutral party before. He probably knew no one else would have let him speak to her. Think of how many people would have stonewalled the call if they found out he was trying to talk to Annie. Jones wouldn't stop him, and wouldn't blab till after the call was over.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Feb 28, 2012 8:02:01 GMT
It's certainly not that his sweetheart and his friend broken all contact with him and ended up married. It's one thing with Surma in a flare of her fiery temper does this, but coldly reasonable Anthony who already bewildered him... while it hurts much less, it may inconvenience much more. Besides, picking on Anthony is a good vent for him - though probably everyone would be better off if he didn't try this before Donlans, let alone Annie. Eglamore has often shown a protective streak towards Annie. Too much of one at times at that. James, please refrain from undressing the students.
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Post by goldenknots on Feb 28, 2012 12:48:55 GMT
He probably knew no one else would have let him speak to her. Think of how many people would have stonewalled the call if they found out he was trying to talk to Annie. Why on Earth not? He's her father.
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Post by mudmaniac on Feb 28, 2012 17:03:26 GMT
The symbolism of that crack is just so strong.
Still i cannot help but think Annie is looking so Amy Pond right now.
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Post by kitsune9tails on Feb 28, 2012 17:47:24 GMT
I am very interested in the sequence of events:
I don't think Jones knew the call was from Anthony; the call was transferred after the phone was handed to Annie. That means that several people around the Court may have been called, with Annie being asked for before Jones happened to be the one in Annie's presence.
Annie answers the call and has a conversation with her father...which "didn't make sense"; did he spout some kind of code at her and then hang up on her, or did they actually talk?
Did Jones discreetly not listen to the Annie side of the conversation, or could she even hear both ends?
Did Annie bring Jones' phone to the adults, or did Jones?
I kind of have this mental image (out of character, but hey) of Anthony saying something like "Adam is Lilith and we are her children!" before Jones snatches the phone out of Annie's hand and takes a shortcut through a few walls to the Headmaster.
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Post by sunday on Feb 28, 2012 18:55:41 GMT
(I like it how just a teeny tiny piece of Eglamores eyebrow makes him look angry.) But still, this calmness of Ans is already overstepping the limits. I mean, it`s just strange for a girl made of freaking fire.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Feb 28, 2012 22:52:28 GMT
He probably knew no one else would have let him speak to her. Think of how many people would have stonewalled the call if they found out he was trying to talk to Annie. Why on Earth not? He's her father. A father that dumped his child off and hasn't spoken to her literally for years. After her mom died no less. I question his merit as a parent, and certainly don't think his presence is healthy for Annie with what she's turned into after only talking with him on the phone. He'd better have one HELL of an excuse, and I WAS SAAAAD is sure not a good one.
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Post by stephen on Feb 28, 2012 22:55:10 GMT
A few things I want to add here: Page 294 wasn't actually the last page with narration until nowChapter 15 (the one right after), actually has some narration, about her time living in the empty halls of the court over the summer. The last page with narration is actually this one. Not quite as fitting as the end of the year, mentioning her father. But it still is a little fitting that this is right before she meets human Red, and right after she names Red the narration returns. Remember back when Ysengrin came to the school at the end of the first chapter, because of the Tic Toc that was growing into the ground?He made a big deal about the sweater with the label A. Carter on it -- mentioning Anthony's name. Anthony is significant to the forest people somehow, and Ysengrin implied that a crime agasint the forest is even worse if it was done by Anthony. (Well, it later turned out Ysengrin planted the Tic Toc himself and the whole meeting was a ruse, but anyway.) Here's a completely unrelated thing about the Court I wanted to mention.We all know that the court is crazy-giant, and seems to be sparsely populated for its size. The general assumption is that it used to have a lot more people, and is now relatively abandoned, right? Well, read this page and then look at this page. I'm now certain that the court literally grew. It grew uncontrollably and filled up far more space than people actually can ever inhabit. The Tic Tocs are related to the Seed Bismuth somehow. It's some sort of Continually Growing Industrial Zone thing.
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Post by notacat on Feb 28, 2012 22:55:58 GMT
To be fair, we don't yet know whether Annie's downturn in mood is caused directly by the conversation with Anthony, or rather by the negative reaction of those others in the room to the possible return of her father, an event for which she has been waiting eagerly for some considerable time.
Also to be fair, we have no idea what reason Anthony might give for his absence, for the simple reason that we haven't actually heard more than a single word from him.
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Post by todd on Feb 28, 2012 23:28:32 GMT
Also to be fair, we have no idea what reason Anthony might give for his absence, for the simple reason that we haven't actually heard more than a single word from him. Good point; we haven't heard Anthony's side of the story yet. For all we know, he might have been a secret agent (tying in with all those mysterious absences when he was a schoolboy) who was re-activated just after Surma's death, was sent off on a top-secret mission, with instructions not to make contact with anybody at the Court - and finally became desperate enough to defy his superiors with that phone call. (No, I don't seriously think that's what happened - but as I said, we don't know yet why he took off like that.)
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Post by TBeholder on Feb 29, 2012 0:58:07 GMT
I question his merit as a parent, and certainly don't think his presence is healthy for Annie with what she's turned into after only talking with him on the phone. He'd better have one HELL of an excuse, and I WAS SAAAAD is sure not a good one. Dunno, for a surgeon "if you can't do it well, let someone who could instead" is not that bad of a worldview. IMHO. But still, this calmness of Ans is already overstepping the limits. I mean, it`s just strange for a girl made of freaking fire. She's too focused to do anything. "Torching my games teacher is wrong and does not really solve the problem... torching my games teacher is wrong and does not really solve the problem... torching my games teacher is wrong and does not really solve the problem..." :) To be fair, we don't yet know whether Annie's downturn in mood is caused directly by the conversation with Anthony, or rather by the negative reaction of those others in the room to the possible return of her father Also to be fair, we have no idea what reason Anthony might give for his absence, for the simple reason that we haven't actually heard more than a single word from him. Also, Gunnerkrigg is rather good at dislocatin' those accusing fingers. ;)
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Post by basser on Feb 29, 2012 1:31:54 GMT
He'd better have one HELL of an excuse, and I WAS SAAAAD is sure not a good one.
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Post by q3 on Feb 29, 2012 2:11:53 GMT
From her mother, Annie inherited the fire spike.
From her father, she inherited seasonal affective disorder.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Feb 29, 2012 13:31:56 GMT
He'd better have one HELL of an excuse, and I WAS SAAAAD is sure not a good one. Oh what horrors I inadvertently inspire others to bring into the world.
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