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Post by basser on Jan 14, 2012 11:18:58 GMT
I think it's kind of interesting how the fairies all still have their human forms and weird matte gray eyes even in etheric form. When Renard projects his soul or whatever he appears as a fox, presumably because that's what his "soul" is. So are we to take the fact that the Foley students are all projecting as mostly-humans to mean that the Test transforms not only their bodies, but their very souls? That's... sort of disconcerting.
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Post by smjjames on Jan 14, 2012 15:48:12 GMT
Also note that Fish-boy is the first male fairy to be assigned specific dialogue, which gives credence to smjjames' idea. Once again I ask: Why is it stupid to use a blinker stone? Actually no, on the previous page, the blonde haired guy was assigned specific dialogue. Also note that Fish-boy is the first male fairy to be assigned specific dialogue, which gives credence to smjjames' idea. Once again I ask: Why is it stupid to use a blinker stone? None of the males in the class are fairies, Tom Formspring says all the Females are Fey folk and all the Males are Animals. I totally agree with other guys earlier, Blinker stone is effectively training wheels, you'd look pretty dumb using training wheels after a certain age wouldn't you? What about male fey folk (assuming there are any, and that Tree Elves count as fey folk) or female animals? Seems strange to be stuck on one gender despite the fact that the origional gender may have been the opposite. I think it's kind of interesting how the fairies all still have their human forms and weird matte gray eyes even in etheric form. When Renard projects his soul or whatever he appears as a fox, presumably because that's what his "soul" is. So are we to take the fact that the Foley students are all projecting as mostly-humans to mean that the Test transforms not only their bodies, but their very souls? That's... sort of disconcerting. Maybe it depends on how far from human the animal was?
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 14, 2012 15:53:22 GMT
I wonder if we'll see Shadow in his Etheric Form, I wonder what he looks like in it. My bet: just a normal guy. If shadow can't perform etheric projection, he is going to be one sad, lonely dude in Foley. Or he may be present here and there simultaneously... What if faeries have to earn their names? And/or they let the old names behind and have to get new ones. Once again I ask: Why is it stupid to use a blinker stone? Blinkers are either "training wheels" or crutches. So they see using it for "trivial" things as a mark of either mentally weak or magically weak (and Annie can't pass as the latter by now) if it's not the same for them. Red had no objections at the campfire application, even urged Annie to do so, remember? So are we to take the fact that the Foley students are all projecting as mostly-humans to mean that the Test transforms not only their bodies, but their very souls? But more fairy-sh (or fishy, respectively) than their bodies. Probably, depends on self-image. They look and feel themselves as humans, but still remember there's more to them.
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Post by smjjames on Jan 14, 2012 16:06:51 GMT
TBeholder: I suppouse this chapter will see Annie stop using or learn to not have to use the blinker stone. I bet this was Jones intention all along to have her be able to go into the Ether at will. Also, Coyote and Ysengrin both viewed the blinker stone as a mere toy (granted though, Coyote IS a god) but both seemed to accept that Annie was still learning how to use it.
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Post by Mishmash on Jan 14, 2012 20:53:18 GMT
What about male fey folk (assuming there are any, and that Tree Elves count as fey folk) or female animals? Seems strange to be stuck on one gender despite the fact that the origional gender may have been the opposite. According to Tom's formspring, there are no male fairies. And female animals that take the test become male humans. Kind of an interesting concept, I wonder do the animals in Gillitie Wood have such a thing as gender roles/stereotypes? If not, switching gender probably wouldn't be a big deal to them, even if it seems big to us. It'd be cool if that was addressed in the comic, although I'm not holding my breath for it unless it somehow became plot relevant!
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Post by basser on Jan 15, 2012 3:46:14 GMT
What about male fey folk (assuming there are any, and that Tree Elves count as fey folk) or female animals? Seems strange to be stuck on one gender despite the fact that the origional gender may have been the opposite. According to Tom's formspring, there are no male fairies. And female animals that take the test become male humans. Kind of an interesting concept, I wonder do the animals in Gillitie Wood have such a thing as gender roles/stereotypes? If not, switching gender probably wouldn't be a big deal to them, even if it seems big to us. It'd be cool if that was addressed in the comic, although I'm not holding my breath for it unless it somehow became plot relevant! Well damn that's a bit rough on them, isn't it? I mean the chemical makeup and behavioural patterns of females versus males are really different in a lot of animals. It's not so bad for fishes and bugs and such I guess since they don't generally take care of their young or anything but imagine if you were, say, a lady bear! Your brain chemistry and hormones are all set up for you to be choosy about your mates and protect babies and such, and then you decide you might like to be a human and whoops suddenly it's all testosterone and chasing after dames? That seems like it would really do a number on your self-image. Though I suppose turning body-and-soul into a completely different species is going to be existentially confusing anyway so tacking on a gender change isn't going to add too much extra angst... but really, on top of everything else- becoming a bipedal creature and having to sit in weird sitty-downy things and ride trains and use laptops- you're also now a teenage boy. What a way to start your new life as a human. Also in the spirit of completely over-thinking this, are all the creatures taking the Test adolescents or do they get deaged/aged up when they pass? For many species of say, fish and frogs their "adolescent" stage might be when they're just a few weeks old! That seems pretty young to be making such a big decision as species reassignment. Then again I guess maybe it's only open to magical animals like Renard was? Damn it, Tom, stop introducing concepts I'm compelled to over analyze!
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Post by Elm on Jan 15, 2012 6:55:49 GMT
Well, I'm thinking that when they take the test, they don't just switch bodies, but their etheric selves too. Then it would make sense why all the fairies and the animals are humans in the ether. Reynard did not decide to take the test so his etheric self did not change; his body is different because that's due to the body-taking powers that Coyote gave him.
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Post by baf on Jan 16, 2012 5:00:00 GMT
Moreover, remember what the last stage of the test is for the fairies: getting their original body killed. (And not just a little killed, either: Red and her friend wanted Annie to squash them flat.) Whereas Renard's original body is still around, preserved perfectly. Perhaps Coyote has an ulterior motive there: he didn't want Renard to become too human. By keeping the body from harm, he makes sure that Renard still has the soul of a fox and is ready to come back to the forest at any time.
Part of what makes this all interesting is that the humans transforming in the other direction appear to go through a completely different process. What does Aly's etheric form look like?
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